I am a lvl 25 Dark Elf SK and i was wondering if
i can do this quest or if not how can i increase
my faction to do it.
Yuio's Illness
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You say, 'Hail, Jali Kaliio'
Jali Kaliio says 'Greetings outsider. I trust you have [peaceful intentions] while visiting our village? You say, 'I have peaceful intentions.' Jali Kaliio says 'That is good to hear. Those filthy kobolds have caused enough trouble. We do not need more enemies.' Jali turns around and glances at another Kejekan. This one seems somewhat ill. Her fur is coming out in patches and strange sores cover her body. 'That is my wife, Yuio. She has come down with a sickness, no doubt caused by those accursed kobolds.' Anger wracks Jali's face as he speaks. 'I would ask you for [help] but you are a stranger and owe us nothing. Of course if you did assist me, I would be forever grateful.' You say, 'I would like to help.' Jali Kaliio says 'Oh thank you. You are most kind. I fear that there is not much time left for my dear Yuio. Please speak to [Khonza Ayssla]. She is most wise and perhaps can find some cure for this affliction. You say, 'Who is Khonza Ayssla?' Jali Kaliio says 'Khonza Ayssla is the village's High Shaman. She teaches the ancient ways of Okanjo and is most wise. If she cannot assist you I do not know who can. I would go myself but I am too worried to leave my dear wife behind. When you find Khonza, tell her that Jali sent you. Please hurry, friend! Khonza Ayssla is inside the southwest building. Tell her, 'Jali sent me.' Khonza Ayssla says 'Ah yes Jali, whose wife is ill. I have been looking for a cure for many moons. I do believe I can make one now if I had the proper ingredients. Unfortunately it will require the deaths of some of our lands creatures but the spirits will not be angered as it is for a noble cause. Perhaps you could [fetch them] for me? You say, 'I will fetch them for you.' Khonza Ayssla says 'Take this satchel and please listen closely. I need the following and they need to be relatively fresh. So dont waste time with frivolous strolls through the jungle. I require two Panda Claws, two Tiger Skins, two Asp Poison Sacs, a Bamboo Shoot, and a Kejekan Palm Fruit, which you will need to find somewhere in the jungle. Once you have these items, combine them in the bag and return to me.' You receive a Burlap Satchel. Panda Claws can be found from pandas in Stonebrunt. Tiger Skins drop from Kejek Tigers. The best place to get Asp Poison Sacks is in Oasis of Marr. The fruit and bamboo are foraged in Stonebrunt. Make sure to put them in bags after your food and drink so you don't accidentally consume them. Combine the 8 items inside the bag to get a Full Gathering Satchel. Bring it back to Khonza. Khonza Ayssla says 'I thought the kobolds would have you for dinner, but you made it back.' Ayssla takes the satchel and begins to pour different vials of foul smelling liquid into it. She then takes the entire contents of the bag and dumps it into a large kettle and begins to chant in an unknown language. After a few minutes, she takes a small amount of the now boiling liquid and puts it in a vial. 'Take this vial back to Jali. I pray to the Titan Spirits that it works.' Your faction standing with Kejek Village has been adjusted by 5. Your faction standing with Peace Keepers has been adjusted by 1. You gain experience!! You receive a Vial of Healing Liquid (MAGIC, LORE, NO TRADE, Tiny, weight 0.2) in return. Giving this to Jali gets the following: Jali Kaliio says ''Khonza Ayssla gave this to you? We must try it at once then.' Jali opens the vial and gently tilts back Yuio's head. He pours the liquid into her mouth and waits. Miraculously, Yuios fur begins to take on a healthy sheen and the sores begin to disappear! Yuio falls into Jali's arms then goes slack, passing out. 'She needs much rest. I cannot begin to thank you enough for helping us. Please accept this as a reward. It is not much but it should be of some use. You are indeed a friend of ours and if you ever need shelter from the wilds, please visit us again.' Your faction standing with Kejek Village has been adjusted by 5. Your faction standing with Peace Keepers has been adjusted by 1. You gain experience!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Anonymous
O BTW this thing Proc's around 81 for me so I LOVE this beings im not a caster >:P
Anonymous
Lvl 24 warrior ok right now i have 1 WoFS along with Icetooths claws (11/29) and i Kill DB's FAST with them .....i personally think that Dual weilding 2 WoFS would be Great especially if your Dex is high cuz then you Proc Alot .....so a Very fast weapon Mixed w/ Dual Weild and Double attack add in the Proc factor and You have a KIK **** weaapon for a warrior around lvl 24!!!!
Lionila BraveBlade <Sodalisae>
lvl 24 Agnostic
Saryn Server
EST time
Lionila BraveBlade <Sodalisae>
lvl 24 Agnostic
Saryn Server
EST time
Anonymous
I've killed the Young + Mature Panda's = Claws on several occassions. Panda Cubs = well, kinda uncommon to Rare, not to meantion the cubs themselves arent the most common panda spawn's.
Just a Tip: Kill all panda's ... to just limit yourself to the " Cubs " is only gonna take you longer to get the claws.
Just a Tip: Kill all panda's ... to just limit yourself to the " Cubs " is only gonna take you longer to get the claws.
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what lvl do you have to be to do this i am 13 rogue that can get 26sk will that be good?
Anonymous
Anyone have problems combining? I keep getting the "you can't combine these ingredients in this container" or some such crap. I know I have the right components. Maybe not fresh enough, hmmm?
Anonymous
Make sure nothing is stacked, and that you have "tiger skin"'s, not any sort of pelt. and make sure they are in the right container (which i'm guessing they are since there is a combine button...eh).
make sure you have: 2 asp poison sacs (unstacked), 2 tiger skin's (unstacked), 2 panda claws (unstacked), a kejekan palm fruit and a bamboo shoot.
if the names do not match what i just listed (case ignored), then you might wanna try more hunting...and make sure you have all of it too
freshness shouldn't be a problem, since items don't decay over time on EQ....so...just check the items and the bag and try again.
p.s.-if anyone on Ayonae Ro has any panda claws or tiger skin's they are willing to donate (or maybe give for a fee-no more than 75pp for the claws and like 30pp for the skins-unless i get more desperate) send me a tell. i want to do this quest without help, but at 28 it's a bit tough (for a ranger atleast)
-Dredije Pathweaver
make sure you have: 2 asp poison sacs (unstacked), 2 tiger skin's (unstacked), 2 panda claws (unstacked), a kejekan palm fruit and a bamboo shoot.
if the names do not match what i just listed (case ignored), then you might wanna try more hunting...and make sure you have all of it too
freshness shouldn't be a problem, since items don't decay over time on EQ....so...just check the items and the bag and try again.
p.s.-if anyone on Ayonae Ro has any panda claws or tiger skin's they are willing to donate (or maybe give for a fee-no more than 75pp for the claws and like 30pp for the skins-unless i get more desperate) send me a tell. i want to do this quest without help, but at 28 it's a bit tough (for a ranger atleast)
-Dredije Pathweaver
Make sure you have ASP poison sacs and NOT snake venom sacs. The asp sacs as stated earlier come out of S RO. Found that one out myself.
These are foraged, and I suppose the kejekan fruit is foraged as well. I foraged a bamboo shoot the other day and promptly ate it not knowing it was a rare foraged item and not knowing it was used in a quest until I heard ppl shouting for them. All the quest items can be found in Stonebrunt so don't waste your time running to EJ to find a bamboo shoot there cause you won't find it. :D
-EDIT: Both bamboo shoots and Kejekan fruit are foraged. Remember that there is a jungle just north of the lake. ;)
Edited, Thu Jun 20 07:45:21 2002
-EDIT: Both bamboo shoots and Kejekan fruit are foraged. Remember that there is a jungle just north of the lake. ;)
Edited, Thu Jun 20 07:45:21 2002
Anonymous
Bamboo shoots are not rare, atleast I have no problem foraging them any where in Stonebrunt.
I find them more then I do fruits and berries.
I find them more then I do fruits and berries.
Anonymous
I have a forage skill of 71 and have foraged the palm fruit. My question is, do you need a skill of 100+ to forage the bamboo shoots? I thought i had read somewhere that each zone had a rare foraged item that required a forage skill of 100+. Any help would be appreciated.Thanks.
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My skill is 70ish in forage and i foraged the bamboo....i did this quest 3 times at once...got 3 now. so you dont have to have 100+ skill to get the shoots..i had alot of luck around the warrens zone...GL this is easy quest ...did it 3 times in one day and had extra quest items for later...also did the swiftclaw sash quest in the process ( not done yet )
Deladian Deviginator ranger of the 40th leaf
Deladian Deviginator ranger of the 40th leaf
Anonymous
What is the lowest lv that a person can solo this quest?
Anonymous
Asp Poison Sacs. I've hunted for these for a few hours now and can't seem to get any to drop off the Emerald Adders in this zone as I would have expected. So I'll soon be headed to S Ro under everyone elses suggestion to get the Asp Poison Sacs.
Elricis Cithanoedis
Bard of the 45th Song
Firiona Vie
Elricis Cithanoedis
Bard of the 45th Song
Firiona Vie
Anonymous
Well, i'm at dubious faction because i'm a troll, i was wondering if i could complete this quest. While jali won't talk to me Khonza will. Would i be able to complete this quest?
Thaok 39 troll warrior
Terris-Thule server
Thaok 39 troll warrior
Terris-Thule server
This quest is ubar! It did it at level 40 (back when it was still hell) and got decent exp in the process.
First thing I did was slaughter every asp in Sro. I had two stacks of poison sacks when I made it to Warrens.
It was my first time in Odus, and in the Warrens so I killed muglwump (didn't drop anything) on my way to SM.
Got to Sm and paid some lowbie ranger 20pp for a stack of fruits and shoots.
I then proceeded to kill every tiger in the zone. Got a skin out of every 10 tigers killed. I forgot if these drop off the yellow tigers or the white ones. I think the white tigers drop these more frequently.
After I had a few skins, I proceded to slaughter every panda I found. I got two claws right away! Then about 3 hours until I found another claw, and one hour for the next claw. Got 7 claws altogether in two nights hunting.
Then, on the second night, some named panda shows up, cons blue, and proceeds to kick my *** all over SM. The Kejekans didn't like it that I was fighting (running from) this big underconned panda and joined in the fight. Damn nuking Kejekans.... Almost died. Made it to zone (thanks to SoW potions) but had to use LoH.
Zoned back in and got me 3 WoFS. Ported back into SRo and dropped everything on my alts.
My baby ranger dual-wields these. They ROCK on a lowbie ranger. Add shammy buffs (haste and dex) and my little treehugger is quite the buzzsaw. Zoomed from 20 to 26 in one night hunting Paludal Caverns with these babies. L33T!
First thing I did was slaughter every asp in Sro. I had two stacks of poison sacks when I made it to Warrens.
It was my first time in Odus, and in the Warrens so I killed muglwump (didn't drop anything) on my way to SM.
Got to Sm and paid some lowbie ranger 20pp for a stack of fruits and shoots.
I then proceeded to kill every tiger in the zone. Got a skin out of every 10 tigers killed. I forgot if these drop off the yellow tigers or the white ones. I think the white tigers drop these more frequently.
After I had a few skins, I proceded to slaughter every panda I found. I got two claws right away! Then about 3 hours until I found another claw, and one hour for the next claw. Got 7 claws altogether in two nights hunting.
Then, on the second night, some named panda shows up, cons blue, and proceeds to kick my *** all over SM. The Kejekans didn't like it that I was fighting (running from) this big underconned panda and joined in the fight. Damn nuking Kejekans.... Almost died. Made it to zone (thanks to SoW potions) but had to use LoH.
Zoned back in and got me 3 WoFS. Ported back into SRo and dropped everything on my alts.
My baby ranger dual-wields these. They ROCK on a lowbie ranger. Add shammy buffs (haste and dex) and my little treehugger is quite the buzzsaw. Zoomed from 20 to 26 in one night hunting Paludal Caverns with these babies. L33T!
Duke Ardnahoy
Noble Lord Protector of the 70th Crusade
Fennin Ro - EQ I
Ardnahoy II
Fearless Guardian of the 40th Tour
Mistmore - EQ II
Noble Lord Protector of the 70th Crusade
Fennin Ro - EQ I
Ardnahoy II
Fearless Guardian of the 40th Tour
Mistmore - EQ II
13 posts
The following is how i got the items to do this quest.
A Kejen Tiger = drops the tiger skins
none of the highland tigers i killed droped them only these Kejen tigers
Bamboo Shoot and Kejen Palm Fruit are both foraged
Panda Claws = drops off A Young Panda
no cubs dropped these
then i ported to Southern Ro and killed A Cistern Asp to get the asp poison sacs
there ya have it not very orderly but this is how i done the quest now my warrior duels 2.
Clarisa Wolfdancer <Harbingers of Prexus>
Prexus
A Kejen Tiger = drops the tiger skins
none of the highland tigers i killed droped them only these Kejen tigers
Bamboo Shoot and Kejen Palm Fruit are both foraged
Panda Claws = drops off A Young Panda
no cubs dropped these
then i ported to Southern Ro and killed A Cistern Asp to get the asp poison sacs
there ya have it not very orderly but this is how i done the quest now my warrior duels 2.
Clarisa Wolfdancer <Harbingers of Prexus>
Prexus
10 posts
I have to dipute the comment about the tiger skins. I got two tiger skins off the highland tigers. Not that they don't drop off the Kejen tigers. They will drop from both.
I have a below average forage. and managed to forage three bamboo shoots and a Palm fruit in two days. The fruit and the bamboo shoots I actually got while sitting in the tunnel recovering. So one can forage the components fromanywhere in the zone I would think, not just the jungle area.
Gamaorn
38th Ranger
Knights of Faith
I have a below average forage. and managed to forage three bamboo shoots and a Palm fruit in two days. The fruit and the bamboo shoots I actually got while sitting in the tunnel recovering. So one can forage the components fromanywhere in the zone I would think, not just the jungle area.
Gamaorn
38th Ranger
Knights of Faith
4 posts
Just to confirm:
The Palm Fruit and Bamboo are both foraged items. I know this due to the fact that this is how I got both of them, this night. Location in the zone doesn't appear to be a factor as I managed to forage both while sitting on the large rock right next to the entrace to the Warrens. Maybe you have better odds in different locations in the zone, but I can't confirm this.
The Palm Fruit and Bamboo are both foraged items. I know this due to the fact that this is how I got both of them, this night. Location in the zone doesn't appear to be a factor as I managed to forage both while sitting on the large rock right next to the entrace to the Warrens. Maybe you have better odds in different locations in the zone, but I can't confirm this.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 02 2002 at 1:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your location isnt a factor, and also, I'd like to see you forage, while sitting.
Anonymous
Your location in a zone is never a factor when it comes to foraging.
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According to Allakhazam,This zone works under the Warrens loot code, which means that if you don't get experience for killing a Mob, it won't drop anything interesting for you. Just FYI
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/zones/Odus/Stonebrunt_Mountains.html
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/zones/Odus/Stonebrunt_Mountains.html
And just so you know, they removed the Trivial Loot Code from Warrens and Stonebrunt some time ago.
I believe they removed trivial loot code from everywhere EXCEPT Warrens and SB. I could easily be wrong, usually am, but what the h**l, I'll stick my neck out...
Here is what i can say from 2 days now here, and 3 claws gained...
1.) these things are RARE. I have killed at LEAST 60-70 pandas at this point, and gained only 3 ironically from panda cubs everytime.
2.) they look like weapon claws, because they are a weapon. 7/30 1hsl primary. equal to a kodiak claw. worth MUCH more as the rarest and hardest by far component of this quest.
3.) they cost about 40-80pp to buy off players. in my opinion, well worth the cost. even at 80. that sword can sell for 400 (extreme low) to 1200 (extreme high)... either way paying a mere 160pp tops for the two hardest components of the quest...
there. just some useful info.
1.) these things are RARE. I have killed at LEAST 60-70 pandas at this point, and gained only 3 ironically from panda cubs everytime.
2.) they look like weapon claws, because they are a weapon. 7/30 1hsl primary. equal to a kodiak claw. worth MUCH more as the rarest and hardest by far component of this quest.
3.) they cost about 40-80pp to buy off players. in my opinion, well worth the cost. even at 80. that sword can sell for 400 (extreme low) to 1200 (extreme high)... either way paying a mere 160pp tops for the two hardest components of the quest...
there. just some useful info.
Also wanted to add that now that it seems to work well with no bugs, this is an AWESOME quest. If only more in the game were like it.
Like all quests it takes time... but not too much time as to make it worthless.
It is relativly worthwhile at the level you can do it, not as good as stuff you could buy, but better then anything else you could earn as easily solo'd or small grouped.
The xp in the zone is nice, so while doing the quest, your making okay progress at the appropriate level to do it.
It's out of the way, so farming for this quest is minimal, since a farmer would haveto try and take out all the pandas in the zone, and even a 60 druid just can't cover a zone this big that well to get more then maybe half.
In effect, this is what quests in EQ SHOULD be.
Almost makes trying to get those damn calws worthwhile.
Like all quests it takes time... but not too much time as to make it worthless.
It is relativly worthwhile at the level you can do it, not as good as stuff you could buy, but better then anything else you could earn as easily solo'd or small grouped.
The xp in the zone is nice, so while doing the quest, your making okay progress at the appropriate level to do it.
It's out of the way, so farming for this quest is minimal, since a farmer would haveto try and take out all the pandas in the zone, and even a 60 druid just can't cover a zone this big that well to get more then maybe half.
In effect, this is what quests in EQ SHOULD be.
Almost makes trying to get those damn calws worthwhile.
Anonymous
Well decided to do this quest tonight, and in under 3 hours had the palm fruit, the bamboo, 2 tiger skins, 2 asp sacs (quick trip to Oasis)...
BUT nothin on panda claws. Not a one. 7 young panada kills, 2 mature panda kills... NOTHING.
(btw... panda cubs? where do i find them?)
BUT nothin on panda claws. Not a one. 7 young panada kills, 2 mature panda kills... NOTHING.
(btw... panda cubs? where do i find them?)
Anonymous
could some one please tell me what lvl this quest is?
The pandas you will need to hunt are around low to mid 30's.
Anonymous
could some one please tell me what lvl this quest is?
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Spent 3 days hunting pandas, have everything but the claws. I hunted every type of panda and none dropped the claws. Is this a broken quest?
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This last weekend (April 26-28, 2002) I was doing the Heretic Heads quest and I was killing animals during down time to get XP. I looted a panda claw off of a panda cub. They do exist, so your effort is not wasted. Keep hunting pandas and good luck. (BTW, this is my next quest.)
Edited, Mon Apr 29 11:34:03 2002
Edited, Mon Apr 29 11:34:03 2002
Anonymous
Hey guys the palm fruit is not only a forage but it is ground spawn too. my 25th necro picked one up off the sands by the creek (face the lake adn go to theright of hte creek and down a little) they look like the "evergreen leaves" you pick up in GFay I am keeping a look out for the bamboo shoots as I am currently hunting her in the zone and will post if i find any and approx where it spawns at. *sniffle* not all of us can have forage like you lucky druids and rangers etc.
Mischiff Anmayhem
25th season Necromancer
Terris-Thule
Mischiff Anmayhem
25th season Necromancer
Terris-Thule
4 posts
Isn't it possible that the fruit you picked up off the ground was dropped by someone who foraged it. I still have yet to see one spawn on the ground and I've been hunting in the zone for a while with very few other people in the zone. If it does spawn on the ground it must be pretty rare. If you do need any of the foraged items for this quest, just send an /ooc asking if anyone is willing to give/sell you any. I'm sure there is someone out there willing to give you what you need.
no its not possible that it was something foraged and dropped, all dropped foraged items appear as small bags
Little Ranja Grrl Of Tp
Little Ranja Grrl Of Tp
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"calamorrin, Scholar" - You're a moron. Why do people take their limited knowledge and try to pass it off as some kind of superior intellect. You drop the fruit and it appears as a leaf as stated by the person who picked one up. Just because you picked up a root out of the newbie zone one time because it looked like a bag doesn't mean that graphic is attached to every foraged item. Uhm, actually is your name supposed to be "Call a Moron"? .. *ring* *ring*
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Ok here is the real deal on the swords. I just picked up two of them last night and gonna get a 3rd today. ALL tigers and tigresses and ALL pandas drop the skins and claws. The fruit and bamboo are easily foraged with a 70+ forage skill (mine were foraged by my lvl 24 druid). This quest does require patience, but with a 51 shaman and a 24 druid it is a breeze. I just put these things on my level 25 warrior can't wait to see how they do :-)
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Got two claws very quickly. Bout an hour of hunting. They seem to drop regularly off of the mature Pandas.
Edited, Tue Apr 16 10:51:23 2002
Edited, Tue Apr 16 10:51:23 2002
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Just did this quest today, went exactly as described. Hardest part was the Panda claws, I must have killed 50 Pandas without a single drop. Bought the claws from a broke Ranger (Thanks Fomn!) As a Ranger, I had no trouble foraging the fruit and bamboo shoot. Tiger hides mostly from Kejek tigers (the orange ones, not the white ones) Got the poison sacs in SRO. Made a level getting together the stuff, am now happily duel wielding these bad boys! (Bought one in EC)
Anonymous
Ok I just completed this quest today and I have some info people might be interested in...
First of all, I was very lucky in getting the items. About the second day I was hunting in the zone a very nice person gave me a set of panda claws. That is when I decided to look up the quest. After reading all of the posts, I thought I would try it since I really liked the zone anyway. The other items I was able to get easily on my own, and I got very lucky again tonight. A high level friend of mine just happened to loot another pair of claws. So jumping for joy I headed to Khonza and handed her the combined bag and recieved the vial. No problem.
Until I tried to give the vial to Jali. As soon as I opened the door and hailed him he just disappeared. Totally. I couldn't figure it out. So very confused, I just sat there wondering what to do. I chatted with a few friends about what was going on when lo and behold Jali appeared again. As soon as I got close though he vanished yet again. Well ok, this went on several times.
Finally, after I had sent a petition off, a nice high level player came into the village after I had told him what I was doing. He hung around and when Jali popped again he managed to find him and root him. Then he camped to clear the aggro, and I was able to hail Jali and after a little bit of hesitaion turn in the vial. BOOM! I got the Wakizashi!
Later on, I finally got a tell from the GM who basically ended up telling me that he could do absolutely nothing to help. Oh well.
So I guess to sum up....Is this a normal part of the quest? I for one doubt it. None of the previous posts mentioned this happening. I sure hope this is not the only way to complete the quest. One thing I do know is I will never sell this sword after all the trouble I went through. I can't imagine actually having to wait for those stupid claws to drop.
I hope this helps in some way...
First of all, I was very lucky in getting the items. About the second day I was hunting in the zone a very nice person gave me a set of panda claws. That is when I decided to look up the quest. After reading all of the posts, I thought I would try it since I really liked the zone anyway. The other items I was able to get easily on my own, and I got very lucky again tonight. A high level friend of mine just happened to loot another pair of claws. So jumping for joy I headed to Khonza and handed her the combined bag and recieved the vial. No problem.
Until I tried to give the vial to Jali. As soon as I opened the door and hailed him he just disappeared. Totally. I couldn't figure it out. So very confused, I just sat there wondering what to do. I chatted with a few friends about what was going on when lo and behold Jali appeared again. As soon as I got close though he vanished yet again. Well ok, this went on several times.
Finally, after I had sent a petition off, a nice high level player came into the village after I had told him what I was doing. He hung around and when Jali popped again he managed to find him and root him. Then he camped to clear the aggro, and I was able to hail Jali and after a little bit of hesitaion turn in the vial. BOOM! I got the Wakizashi!
Later on, I finally got a tell from the GM who basically ended up telling me that he could do absolutely nothing to help. Oh well.
So I guess to sum up....Is this a normal part of the quest? I for one doubt it. None of the previous posts mentioned this happening. I sure hope this is not the only way to complete the quest. One thing I do know is I will never sell this sword after all the trouble I went through. I can't imagine actually having to wait for those stupid claws to drop.
I hope this helps in some way...
seems like a bug. I've never seen Jali despawn from his location.
This makes a good low lvl primary weapon for any melee class (except rogues, who should be using a pierce). It just doesn't proc enough on my rogue's offhand to be worthwhile (127 dex) but I'll keep it til I start a bard or warrior.
This makes a good low lvl primary weapon for any melee class (except rogues, who should be using a pierce). It just doesn't proc enough on my rogue's offhand to be worthwhile (127 dex) but I'll keep it til I start a bard or warrior.
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a gm saying there was nothing he could do.. hmm thats a first lol
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a gm saying there was nothing he could do.. hmm thats a first lol
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