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31 posts
Alright, let me set this all straight.
Rogues are better dps WHEN a: they are behind the mob and b: someone else has agro. Other than that, rangers are the exact same! We can do everything else a rogue can, except ture invis. Our 2.0 is just as sexy. Our 1.5 is just as nice as well. We can cast spells! Beneficial and Offensive spells. We can solo, they can not. While rogues are better dps in good group set ups, ranger can tank. Dont listen to the foolish people. My level 74 ranger can tank RSS, Rcod and any of te new TSS zones. Lets see a rogue do that.
Further more! We are sexier!
Rogues are better dps WHEN a: they are behind the mob and b: someone else has agro. Other than that, rangers are the exact same! We can do everything else a rogue can, except ture invis. Our 2.0 is just as sexy. Our 1.5 is just as nice as well. We can cast spells! Beneficial and Offensive spells. We can solo, they can not. While rogues are better dps in good group set ups, ranger can tank. Dont listen to the foolish people. My level 74 ranger can tank RSS, Rcod and any of te new TSS zones. Lets see a rogue do that.
Further more! We are sexier!
not all the tss zones bro, i can tank tbs missions and valde easy but, FC/AG still a little out there
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O btw..this is a nice *** 1h..ima work on getting it =D
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i have a lvl 66 ranger (121 aa's 6.3k.hp,5.8k.mana,agil,265,str,310,dex,310,stam,310cha 167,wis,310,int,254,AC,1356,ATK,1616 unbuff) and he kicks arzz dont know whta peps say about rangers being gimp,FYI, there is no such thing as a gimp class just gimp toons.Rangers kick arzz with bow and weps. Best bowin class (as everyone should know) they get same 1h's / 2h's as warriors and other tank classes..no not all rangers can tank and no there not a tankin class..but get a pimp *** ranger in ur group and he can kick ***..ben hearin some peps sayin rogues are better DPS... only in BS. almost all the gear rangers get rogues can use it to.so pretty much there the smae dps.accept for that BS of course..dunno if peps are gettin jelous cuz rangers can pwn mobs wit bow and weps so they starteda rumour sayin there gimp.NOT TRUE! so yea Hate it or love it.
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i dont agree with roques being better dps.. my dad has a 66 rogue with 95 aa's and i got a 66 ranger with 75 and my ranger will beat the **** outa him.. and why would u hate rangers for range attacking its waat rangers get there best dps with... if u got a better bow than a turret thingy u would know that.. i got am3 and i crit for 2k with my bow not using Ts and for rangers not being tanks.. this is true but if a ranger know wat he is doing he wont need to tank.. its not that hard to drop aggro u just cast jolt..but i think rangers and rogue end up around the same dps from rogue BS and rangers spells the only thing that i think puts rangers aheed t=is we can kite when we cant find a group. i love going out to PoNightmare and just kiteing a mob.. yea it takes a lil longer but we can do it.. rogues always need a group (unless and uber rogue and can solo) because most of your dps does come from your BS
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I keep hearing this crap about Rogues being great DPSers. If someone is not holding Aggro for them so they can backstab then they are a dead, lame semi-Tank. I admit that since I got my Archery AA's I do shoot more since I 4 box but I got my melee AA's first and that is what I like to do. I tend to get pissed off at Rangers who only shoot. I can do a lot of Dmg with my Weapons and Procs meleeing. And I also have Two bows now. A Turret Keeper for when the mob is Rooted and One with two procs for when a group is tanking it. I turn off Taunt and I still take Aggro from the Tanks.
Scholar
27 posts
Lets break this down.
1) Rogues ARE great dps. We are the best in most cases (yes some berserkers are better).
2) "If someone is not holding Aggro for them so they can backstab then they are a dead"
Yes we draw lots of aggro but thats what evade is for. Unlike most rangers, we use our aggro droping skills. Rangers are also pretty well screwed when there is no tank. No matter how much you like to think it, rangers aren't tanks. You can only take a few hits from high end mobs. The only reason you are able to live abit longer is because rangers are a peeler class. You take aggro from the casters and healers when they over aggro, and hold it off of them until the real tank takes it off of you.
3) "I turn off Taunt and I still take Aggro from the Tanks." last I checked taunt wasn't an off or on thing. You must hit the taunt button every time you want to draw aggro. You're not a pet, though you seem dumb enough.
4) Why are you using a turret keeper?
Rangers are a great dps class because they do more than dps. Comparing them to rogue's dps is unfair. Rangers bring snare, heals, hp/atk buffs, and pretty good dps. Rogues just bring sick dps.
I play both a ranger and a rogue. I know that my rogue will beat out the ranger anyday for dps. But i also realize that there are times where the ranger's other skill out weigh the lack of raw dps.
Flame all you want =)
Edited, Tue Mar 21 20:16:02 2006
1) Rogues ARE great dps. We are the best in most cases (yes some berserkers are better).
2) "If someone is not holding Aggro for them so they can backstab then they are a dead"
Yes we draw lots of aggro but thats what evade is for. Unlike most rangers, we use our aggro droping skills. Rangers are also pretty well screwed when there is no tank. No matter how much you like to think it, rangers aren't tanks. You can only take a few hits from high end mobs. The only reason you are able to live abit longer is because rangers are a peeler class. You take aggro from the casters and healers when they over aggro, and hold it off of them until the real tank takes it off of you.
3) "I turn off Taunt and I still take Aggro from the Tanks." last I checked taunt wasn't an off or on thing. You must hit the taunt button every time you want to draw aggro. You're not a pet, though you seem dumb enough.
4) Why are you using a turret keeper?
Rangers are a great dps class because they do more than dps. Comparing them to rogue's dps is unfair. Rangers bring snare, heals, hp/atk buffs, and pretty good dps. Rogues just bring sick dps.
I play both a ranger and a rogue. I know that my rogue will beat out the ranger anyday for dps. But i also realize that there are times where the ranger's other skill out weigh the lack of raw dps.
Flame all you want =)
Edited, Tue Mar 21 20:16:02 2006
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rogues are just like other dps classes none else....all they can do is crit high with back stab..but what if there holding agro??? oo i know they just atack with the same damage as other classes..
I was with you right up until the "Unlike most rangers, we use our aggro droping skills". Now I don't know what rangers you fight with, but if they don't use them spells then they need to be shot! IMO rangers are one of the best classes for being able to increase and decrease agro at will. I always have a snare, entrap AA, and flame lick ready to obtain agro at will - I hit flamelick then use taunt/kick/disarm, and throw in an ensnare if i need one, and by then you'll have agro from pretty much anyone. A couple of Cinder Jolts are all that is usually needed to drop agro (and it still does reduce agro Even On a Resist!). In those rare occasions that the tank has poor agro, and i'm meleeing, and I keep getting agro from dps and procs, i simply switch to my jolt proc spell and never worry about it again.
So in short I'm saying that you get good rangers and bad rangers, but to confuse the bad rangers as being the majority is as bad as spouting all that rogue bashing that got you started in the first place!
So in short I'm saying that you get good rangers and bad rangers, but to confuse the bad rangers as being the majority is as bad as spouting all that rogue bashing that got you started in the first place!
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Just wanted to answer why he has a turret keeper..... If the bow has a proc on it, it will break root most of the time. So he has that bow to prevent breaking the root. Not saying anything he said was worth listening to, but he has the right idea with keeping a no proc bow for occasional use.
Nicely said Nokerin the Quick!
Don't know where the Rogue bashing came from all of a sudden... someone obviously not liking getting bashed on himself trying to put some other class down to make himself feel better
Don't know where the Rogue bashing came from all of a sudden... someone obviously not liking getting bashed on himself trying to put some other class down to make himself feel better
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I was just curious, whats up with the little vine wrapped around the blade? Looks awsome, but it seems to change color and I was wondering if anyone knows if there's a pattern? It seems like over the summer it was bright green and this winter every epic I saw, the vine was grey-ish. Was wondering if it changed with the seasons. Seems to me like all 1.5's change colors. Just a thought.
Just got this weapon and im very pleased with it, im actually glad it's not a bow what with the Melee AAs and the new Ranger DoD disc ~ Very nice killing tool for those that are high but not uber
cool graphic too
Edited, Fri Mar 17 12:50:45 2006
cool graphic too
Edited, Fri Mar 17 12:50:45 2006
I agree, Rangers are not even sought after as DPS anymore at lvl 70.. it is sick and twisted that groups are only comfortable when they have a Tank, Cleric, Shaman, Chanter and then Bard, So then the 6th member becomes a toss up and Rangers get the shaft cause too often players are BUFF friendly! Rangers get the shaft in all 65+ spells that benefit groups..even though Rogues have NO spells, they usually fit in better cause they "SEE" more "overall" Crits.
Even worse..groups say ...***** the Ranger and Rogue and grab a Necro!
Anyone that has played a Ranger and Rogue to 68+ WITHOUT doing the 10x/day HHK MM is frustrated and start an alt.. then they realize EQ is DEAD and laugh and join the DDO beta!
Even worse..groups say ...***** the Ranger and Rogue and grab a Necro!
Anyone that has played a Ranger and Rogue to 68+ WITHOUT doing the 10x/day HHK MM is frustrated and start an alt.. then they realize EQ is DEAD and laugh and join the DDO beta!
Scholar
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Sigh, I am really getting sick of you rangers crying. So what if you get shafted on a group here and there, GO SOLO. I, as I have stated before, play both a ranger and a rogue, and you know what, i can get the same number of groups on either toon. Heck sometimes more on the ranger because some people STILL think rangers are good pullers (flame all you want, but nothing beats a SK, Necro, or bard for pulling). You rangers keep acting like your the only ones getting screwed in eq. If you didn't notice, you guys are getting better. Your heals are now semi good and you have a GROUP fixed invis. Rogues on the other hand get shafted HARD. Look up rogue daggers, not too good high end ones. Rangers have it so much easier. You guys don't need groups if you know what your doing. And for that group set up you listed, the best choice is a rogue. We are better dps. Rangers are a utility class and in that group, the other skills the ranger brings are not needed.
Heck ever thought that maybe its not cause they don't want a ranger, they just don't want you? Your rep plays a HUGE part in getting groups these days. With the increase of Ebay'ers and MM toons, it is getting hard to find a good player. If you really want a group, go to a zone and ask to outside dps. Heck i like to KS them once, =P shows them you got the dps they need.
Now, Flame me all you want, but just ignore spelling mistakes and gammer errors. I know make them and thats not the point here. My message should still be clear
Heck ever thought that maybe its not cause they don't want a ranger, they just don't want you? Your rep plays a HUGE part in getting groups these days. With the increase of Ebay'ers and MM toons, it is getting hard to find a good player. If you really want a group, go to a zone and ask to outside dps. Heck i like to KS them once, =P shows them you got the dps they need.
Now, Flame me all you want, but just ignore spelling mistakes and gammer errors. I know make them and thats not the point here. My message should still be clear
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Mr. The Quick...
Ive read two of your posts now comparing rogues and rangers. I just want to say this: Yay for you for playing both a rogue and a ranger, but untill you are playing the high end game with your ranger you wont have any idea of the capabilities of the class. Rangers havent sucked since about 4 expansions ago, and the fact that they sucked even then is questionable. Rangers are a melee class used primarily for dps. Untill a ranger gets decent gear and some aa's, he will only be used for dps. At the high end of the game, however, rangers have 15K+ hp and over 2600 AC. That makes for a fairly decent tank in any group. Are we better than warriors or knights?? Hell no, we dont have the same array of defensive discs and we arent a plate class. I am not high end, I am about mid range... but I am still an extremely effective tank in MPG, archstone or any zones of similar difficulty - without taxing the cleric. What does that mean? Im not claiming to be a tank, but what that means is that rangers are versitle enough to be a tank in a pinch when you cant find another class to do it. High end rangers also have what you refered to as "sick dps". Better than a rogue with comparable gear?? I doubt it. Better than a rogue with average gear? You bet.
Rogues also have a great set of skills and can put out and enormous amount of dps, but comparing the two is pointless because they serve diffrent functions. Its fine for you to tell all the whining rangers to shut up, because I agree... but dont turn around and cry foul on the treatment of rogues. I dont know a damn thing about the rogue class, but Ive seen an unbuffed rogue solo trak, sev and a handfull of other old world dragons without much difficulty. Seems to me that how bad your class is "shafted" is based on gear and aa's more than anything that soe does. I wish rangers had better heals, nukes, and damage discs... but at some point someone somewhere is doing his or her best to preserve class balance. Im done rambling, just wanted to throw all that out. Oh one more thing! A rogue friend of mine was complaining about how rogues are getting the short end of the stick, and when I said "but you guys have the best dps around I thought" He was quick to inform me that wizards and beastlords put rogues to shame. If anyone knows if thats true, let me know.
Ive read two of your posts now comparing rogues and rangers. I just want to say this: Yay for you for playing both a rogue and a ranger, but untill you are playing the high end game with your ranger you wont have any idea of the capabilities of the class. Rangers havent sucked since about 4 expansions ago, and the fact that they sucked even then is questionable. Rangers are a melee class used primarily for dps. Untill a ranger gets decent gear and some aa's, he will only be used for dps. At the high end of the game, however, rangers have 15K+ hp and over 2600 AC. That makes for a fairly decent tank in any group. Are we better than warriors or knights?? Hell no, we dont have the same array of defensive discs and we arent a plate class. I am not high end, I am about mid range... but I am still an extremely effective tank in MPG, archstone or any zones of similar difficulty - without taxing the cleric. What does that mean? Im not claiming to be a tank, but what that means is that rangers are versitle enough to be a tank in a pinch when you cant find another class to do it. High end rangers also have what you refered to as "sick dps". Better than a rogue with comparable gear?? I doubt it. Better than a rogue with average gear? You bet.
Rogues also have a great set of skills and can put out and enormous amount of dps, but comparing the two is pointless because they serve diffrent functions. Its fine for you to tell all the whining rangers to shut up, because I agree... but dont turn around and cry foul on the treatment of rogues. I dont know a damn thing about the rogue class, but Ive seen an unbuffed rogue solo trak, sev and a handfull of other old world dragons without much difficulty. Seems to me that how bad your class is "shafted" is based on gear and aa's more than anything that soe does. I wish rangers had better heals, nukes, and damage discs... but at some point someone somewhere is doing his or her best to preserve class balance. Im done rambling, just wanted to throw all that out. Oh one more thing! A rogue friend of mine was complaining about how rogues are getting the short end of the stick, and when I said "but you guys have the best dps around I thought" He was quick to inform me that wizards and beastlords put rogues to shame. If anyone knows if thats true, let me know.
wtf are you talking about rogues get shafted? im sick of rogues whining, they still out dps everyone! can stealth to almost anywhere, open doors that others cant!
kind of a waste stacking a bard, chanter and shaman in the same group; that's alot of overlap in ability. IMO You'd be MUCH better grabbing 2 of them and getting someone to DPS.
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There is a bow that drops in one of the MPG trials, its ranger only and is quite amazing dps. The next set of mellee weps is an anguish hammer weapon and 2.0 for max mellee. Find it and you'll see that they haven't screwed us on bows. And the 1.5/2.0 are very good for us. Giving us a greatly increased series of abilities to use in all instances, rather than limiting us to ranged.
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yea i wish they would make more aas for my bow but we are just a class that stuck in the middle our dps isnt as high as a rogue nor do we get as nice disc since mobs can summon you making kiting impossible for the longest time! we cant tank because we cant wear plate! we cant heal great! seems to me we cant dodge real great either! we cant get groups real great! i just dont see the point of playing everquest anymore its not that great
well let's see...
Did you happen to list what rangers can do? How about our trueshot disc that can crit for around 3k? How about our movement spells such as soe or sow that almost every class begs for when running across WoS? How about our innate triple attack that no other class in the game gets? We can pacy, spot heal, range dps, melee dps, buff attack, buff ac, slow with 1.0 if slower goes down, or even back up tank something if the main tank goes down. Maybe you're just concentrating too much on the limitations of the ranger and not seeing their abilities outside of that. Try to learn the perks of our class and maybe you'll get a few more groups.
I don't mean to flame but I'm just sick of people whining about rangers not being tanks (we aren't) or dps machines (we aren't).
Epic 1.5 completed about a week ago, and I must say I love this weapon, definitely replaces timespinner.
Edited, Mon Oct 10 20:31:09 2005
Did you happen to list what rangers can do? How about our trueshot disc that can crit for around 3k? How about our movement spells such as soe or sow that almost every class begs for when running across WoS? How about our innate triple attack that no other class in the game gets? We can pacy, spot heal, range dps, melee dps, buff attack, buff ac, slow with 1.0 if slower goes down, or even back up tank something if the main tank goes down. Maybe you're just concentrating too much on the limitations of the ranger and not seeing their abilities outside of that. Try to learn the perks of our class and maybe you'll get a few more groups.
I don't mean to flame but I'm just sick of people whining about rangers not being tanks (we aren't) or dps machines (we aren't).
Epic 1.5 completed about a week ago, and I must say I love this weapon, definitely replaces timespinner.
Edited, Mon Oct 10 20:31:09 2005
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Bows make rangers diffrent form other classes.
SOE use it to your advanage or loose a lot more of us if that is possible.
This might even get some old rangers back.
SOE make a great bow and new upgrades to archery even more Archery AAs.
And Talonios please dont say it will never happen how woud you know ?.
You dont !.
I can tell you what I think will happen if SOE dos not improve the game people will keep leaving and you and a few others will be left alone in EQ til it shuts down in the near future when there is only 1 server left Named The Utter Nutters.
please be offended if you like
SOE use it to your advanage or loose a lot more of us if that is possible.
This might even get some old rangers back.
SOE make a great bow and new upgrades to archery even more Archery AAs.
And Talonios please dont say it will never happen how woud you know ?.
You dont !.
I can tell you what I think will happen if SOE dos not improve the game people will keep leaving and you and a few others will be left alone in EQ til it shuts down in the near future when there is only 1 server left Named The Utter Nutters.
please be offended if you like
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Posted: Jun 29 2005 at 9:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "And Talonios please dont say it will never happen how woud you know ?.
Ok, so there is alot of bow vs. sword debate here and on the rangers glade. Ive read alot of people complaining that they spent "a bunch" of aa's (45 to be exact for eq/am3) and dropped 30k on an Ele bow just to get 1.5 as a melee weapon. What alot of people dont realize is by the time you will actually get close to seeing your 1.5, chances are you will be lvl 70 w/ 200+ aa's.
Yeah it would be nice to have some over powered kik azz bow that lets you crit regularly for 3k, but it isnt going to happen. Personally i like the fact that its a melee weapon w/ 2 aug slots. When i get this im going to put in two 125 lifetap augs to work with 25+ healing aa's i have. Aurora, thb really makes me drool. but this is a nice interm item.
Just my thoughts
Tal,
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Might I add that you recieve the stat and ablility effecth you havein your primary and secondary slot while using the bow> All the ubers dex srt etc and resists . Not to mention that 110% you get to crits. Umm crits with bow.... who would have thought.
My 2cp
My 2cp
43 posts
There's obviously a lot of argument in a lot of forums about this subject, strangely enough a lot of it seems to come from poeple who have never played a ranger. Well, I do play a 70 ranger with over 230 aa's and here are some thoughts and findings.
First of all, bow vs. melee comes down to a choice of play style and/or a situational issue.
My bow dps was way higher at level 65 so I ran with it and got a bunch of archery aa's. Why? Simple...Because I had planar bows and my melee weapons sucked.
That worked great till I got a few good melee weapons and started working on my melee aa's.
I now have a Darkglint Blade and a Bloodforge Hammer (sort of a pos) and I'm doing at least the same damage with them as I do with my Legion Issue Bow. When I get the Heartwood blade I will totaly out dps that bow in melee.
That doesn't mean I never use a bow. There are some situations where bow is safer, or easier, or on a boss mob when I TS...it's still amazing damage for a couple of minutes.
As far as why Sony doesn't give us 90/20 bows all the time is because, in their own words it would be too little of a challange for rangers.
I hope this clears some things up, sorry for the long post.
First of all, bow vs. melee comes down to a choice of play style and/or a situational issue.
My bow dps was way higher at level 65 so I ran with it and got a bunch of archery aa's. Why? Simple...Because I had planar bows and my melee weapons sucked.
That worked great till I got a few good melee weapons and started working on my melee aa's.
I now have a Darkglint Blade and a Bloodforge Hammer (sort of a pos) and I'm doing at least the same damage with them as I do with my Legion Issue Bow. When I get the Heartwood blade I will totaly out dps that bow in melee.
That doesn't mean I never use a bow. There are some situations where bow is safer, or easier, or on a boss mob when I TS...it's still amazing damage for a couple of minutes.
As far as why Sony doesn't give us 90/20 bows all the time is because, in their own words it would be too little of a challange for rangers.
I hope this clears some things up, sorry for the long post.
anyone notice how low the base damage is, 23, i hope thats a mistake....the caster epics go over 30, come on
Edited, Thu Mar 24 12:51:56 2005
Edited, Thu Mar 24 12:51:56 2005
casters also don't have weapon skills. While our 1 hand slashing skill goes up to 270, theirs is completely untrainable, making their melee skill (even with a 30 damage weapon) pretty much worthlesss.
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I think they should have made epic 1.5 a bow and epic 2.0 an arrow. LOL
Created Arrow ~
Aurora, the Heartwood Arrow
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: AMMO
DMG: 93
Fire DMG: 7
Cold DMG: 4
Magic DMG: 5
WT: 0.0 Range: 350 Size: TINY
Class: RNG
Race: HUM ELF HEF HFL
Aurora, the Heartwood Arrow
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: AMMO
DMG: 93
Fire DMG: 7
Cold DMG: 4
Magic DMG: 5
WT: 0.0 Range: 350 Size: TINY
Class: RNG
Race: HUM ELF HEF HFL
just imagine if someone didn't have endless quiver and shot this arrow ROFL
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They should have made the 1.5 a bow and the 2.0 the sword.
with new nukes and crit AA's for them and new weapons for melee our bows become less and less usefull as we progress...........guess they need to bump our ac up so we can tank uber mobs now....:)
i mean wtf...........i made my ranger as my first toon with the idea of standing back and firing a bow.....suffered through all the lower levels till i got above 60's or so to nail the AA's and such to actually be effective in doing so and now the closer i get to 70 the less usefull its going to be
i mean wtf...........i made my ranger as my first toon with the idea of standing back and firing a bow.....suffered through all the lower levels till i got above 60's or so to nail the AA's and such to actually be effective in doing so and now the closer i get to 70 the less usefull its going to be
I'm gonna have to agree with you completley donnyhotshoe
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You're not very bright, are you?
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They whould have to down grade our stats then.. To make it fair. but plz.. dont do THAT.. lol I dont want a bow that has 20 damage on it or anything..
Edited, Sun Dec 26 12:30:55 2004
Edited, Sun Dec 26 12:30:55 2004
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Nice sword. To all of you out there that say rangers arent a bow class tell me this. Who is? If we arent, then what do you consider a bow class? Thats like saying rogues are good tanks. I would definatly like this sword... But i would like a bow better. Rangers can use bow or swords, thats the players decision. I would personally prefer a bow. Some of you out there would prefer this sword. Why not make 2 ranger epics, like the old warrior epic used to be. Put it in a container, hit combine BAM, out comes a bow. Put the bow in the container, BAM out comes a sword. I think that would get just about everyone to stop whining about these things.
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Hmm...not a bad idea I don't think...potential problems, I guess...but it's EQ, so we're use to that. Might be worth looking into for them.
Nightmare scenario: put blade into container,hit combine, out comes a cloth cap...
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They did claim they'd make customizable epic 1.5 and 2.0...
so, why not let the ranger player make the choice?
Get all your drops, get the final parts to combine. Get a character flag (so you can't do it twice) and then:
Combine in Fletching Kit, get
Heartwood Bow (with effect affecting range attacks)
Combine in Forge, get Heartwood Blade.
Let each player decide according to their playstyle and preference. Or might that make too damn much sense?
so, why not let the ranger player make the choice?
Get all your drops, get the final parts to combine. Get a character flag (so you can't do it twice) and then:
Combine in Fletching Kit, get
Heartwood Bow (with effect affecting range attacks)
Combine in Forge, get Heartwood Blade.
Let each player decide according to their playstyle and preference. Or might that make too damn much sense?
theres a simple way to fix this, make multiple Epic 2.0's rangers had a bunch of epic's anyways so why only 1 epic now everyone only gets one??? everyone should get like 2 now espacialy the ones that had 2 in the first place i may be a necro but i feel ur pain rangers *tear*
so, we spend 60 levels looking forward to using our high end bows and spends countless AA's on archery just to have it wasted by becoming melee/nukers again?.....plus we dont get a new harmony so our pulling jobs are now turned over to bards etc.
anyone want to trade for a level 67 ranger?
anyone want to trade for a level 67 ranger?
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we do get a new harmony . I think they just added it tho. It is called Tranquility of the Glade and is a 68 lvl spell ( get it from a muramite rune turnin)
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i am not dissapointed at all with this weapon, we re a melee class. and anyways there werent that many archery aa's and there are more melee aa. GO AHEAD AND FLAME ME I DONT CARE! i have always prefered melee and will continue to do it!!!!!!
I won't flame you, but I'll say where i disagree. :)
The melee Aas you're talking about largely (but not exclussively) boost our archery too - combat fury etc.
We're a DPS class rather than a melee class. That doesn't mean we're strictly a bow class either. However a Ranger with a good spread of AAs and a sword as good as his bow will find he does more damage with archery than melee at higher levels. With the correct AAs and just one of the many 5% archery bow, he'll easilly double his melee output.
Whatsmore, this was all true with my ranger before the auto-archery was added to the game. Previously archery DPS was heavily effected by the connection to the internet - a half a second latency between you hitting the archery button and it firing the arrow means your DPS would HALVE. Now we would have half a second delay before hitting the autoarchery command, and only suffer it once.
In short though, a range can out-melee his archery, but that's either due to him rediculously boosting his melee (amazing weapon, lots of melee AAs) or that he's neglected archery.
And regardless, the fact archery is ranged makes it Hugely beneficial - no ripostes, next to no agro, distance of mob, kiting, etc etc.
The melee Aas you're talking about largely (but not exclussively) boost our archery too - combat fury etc.
We're a DPS class rather than a melee class. That doesn't mean we're strictly a bow class either. However a Ranger with a good spread of AAs and a sword as good as his bow will find he does more damage with archery than melee at higher levels. With the correct AAs and just one of the many 5% archery bow, he'll easilly double his melee output.
Whatsmore, this was all true with my ranger before the auto-archery was added to the game. Previously archery DPS was heavily effected by the connection to the internet - a half a second latency between you hitting the archery button and it firing the arrow means your DPS would HALVE. Now we would have half a second delay before hitting the autoarchery command, and only suffer it once.
In short though, a range can out-melee his archery, but that's either due to him rediculously boosting his melee (amazing weapon, lots of melee AAs) or that he's neglected archery.
And regardless, the fact archery is ranged makes it Hugely beneficial - no ripostes, next to no agro, distance of mob, kiting, etc etc.
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Agreed, we are good at both easily, but before you get into the high weapons, archery is by far the way to go.
My Treant Composite Laminated Compound Bow does double the DPS (with maxed AM3/EQ AA's and a 13 damage arrow, consistently doing over 150 DPS) of my epics around 63, lvl 66 now and working on my 1.5, and have a few friends who can fairly easily get the fights done for me aswell, so will be more then happy to compare, add another decent weapon and sure my melee may out-dps my bow, but if I'm lagging and/or lazy at the time....sitting on autofire and not losing DPS due to having to readjust angle due to mob push etc, is the way I'll continue to go. Also very nice on mobs with a AoE, being that you can shoot from out of range, especially with high ranged bow/arrow.
My Treant Composite Laminated Compound Bow does double the DPS (with maxed AM3/EQ AA's and a 13 damage arrow, consistently doing over 150 DPS) of my epics around 63, lvl 66 now and working on my 1.5, and have a few friends who can fairly easily get the fights done for me aswell, so will be more then happy to compare, add another decent weapon and sure my melee may out-dps my bow, but if I'm lagging and/or lazy at the time....sitting on autofire and not losing DPS due to having to readjust angle due to mob push etc, is the way I'll continue to go. Also very nice on mobs with a AoE, being that you can shoot from out of range, especially with high ranged bow/arrow.
You can have my lvl 14 Bard LOL
Seriously though all Rangers should start emailing SOE or something cause they're making our class confusing. We get a crudload of Archery AA's but they keep debuffing our bows. I mean what's the deal if we're gonna be archers stop giving us bloody swords. Give us a Bow we can be proud of....
And this time don't switch the combat proc to a triggered proc with only FIVE CHARGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited, Fri Nov 26 02:00:07 2004
Seriously though all Rangers should start emailing SOE or something cause they're making our class confusing. We get a crudload of Archery AA's but they keep debuffing our bows. I mean what's the deal if we're gonna be archers stop giving us bloody swords. Give us a Bow we can be proud of....
And this time don't switch the combat proc to a triggered proc with only FIVE CHARGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited, Fri Nov 26 02:00:07 2004
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Still bitter about the Rain Caller, eh?
SOE must ahve intended this to be at one point because you use fletching to create it out of a bow string and length of wood. Dont know how a sword this good would come from that but nice item none the less. Hopefully Epic 2.0 is a bow, archery is one of the reasons I became a Ranger in the first place. Without it we are just a weak warrior with some fairly decent spells.
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Well firstof all, Blade of Disruption has no comparison to this beside having better damage thats it, the stats and such make this way better. FYI "Blade of Disruption" is almost reall good for pally but get your time flagg and see what else is out there lmao. it not al about the dam/del bud GL on your adventures and god speed
I heard they decided against a bow because it would have been too overpowering. /shrug
Accually i heard that they didn't go with bow, b/c too many rangers were complaining that they didnt want to be "Forced" to use a bow.
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uh..wrong rangers at high end melee mostly...with this and a DGB melee DPS parses as high as archery if not higher
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Im at high end and I still bow mosty. Stick to stunnin pally boy
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if you read our class description it says MELEE class ********* not BOW class. we were designed to melee,and also there are only 3 or 4 archery AA's(all of which i have maxed)and way more melee aa's. we are one of the best melee DPSers, rogues/monks only surpass us. we should get a new offensive disc that is melee based to go with TS. another thing smarty pants,you only get aggro if your totally ignorant i melee a lot and never get aggro(and i never have jolt or anything like that up)
Edited, Tue Nov 9 17:10:48 2004
Edited, Tue Nov 9 17:10:48 2004
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First off for Carney.. I play in an Anguish level guild on the Rathe and our rangers are pretty much split down the middle for melee vrs. Archery. We all however agree that our new epic would have been better as a bow. It's true many rangers like melee now but if you at the point of being able to obtain your new epic you also should access to much better melee weapons as far as DPS is concerned. Do a search under ranger / any 1 hander with ratio / efficiency as the filters. You'll find our epic is n the bottom of the 3rd page already. That to me is pretty disapointing.
If it were a bow it would have been used more often by all rangers. The ones that prefer melee still use arching on many raid mobs / TS and situtations where it's just more convenient.
Winchester.... For the love of god... What kind of nuke do you expect to get as a class that is near the top of the melee elite. The new ones are to be more mana efficient but not more powerfull. If your nuking anymore then on the rare mob that is only vulnerable to spells then /reroll a wizzard.
Rangersown... Your on the right track but just so you know the cap on arching damage is a mith. This was based off the highest damage bow at the time so everyone thought it was a cap. Read posts on the frozen bow of the Geldian and you see that we are now hitting harder then that. Also Auspice and other crit enhancing spells can bump you over the "normal" mark as well.
The nice part of playing the ranger is that our class is more versitile then most.. You can pull (most the time), sit back and sling arrows, get in the mix and melee, have some spells to make soling a possible option, /auto and drink beer during raids, I can even tank many XP areas like WoS or Ele plains. I break 11K HP and 2K AC easily now. With the right AA you have all kinds of options. /reroll a rogue or monk because someone tells yous they are better DPS and see how many of these options you lose.
If it were a bow it would have been used more often by all rangers. The ones that prefer melee still use arching on many raid mobs / TS and situtations where it's just more convenient.
Winchester.... For the love of god... What kind of nuke do you expect to get as a class that is near the top of the melee elite. The new ones are to be more mana efficient but not more powerfull. If your nuking anymore then on the rare mob that is only vulnerable to spells then /reroll a wizzard.
Rangersown... Your on the right track but just so you know the cap on arching damage is a mith. This was based off the highest damage bow at the time so everyone thought it was a cap. Read posts on the frozen bow of the Geldian and you see that we are now hitting harder then that. Also Auspice and other crit enhancing spells can bump you over the "normal" mark as well.
The nice part of playing the ranger is that our class is more versitile then most.. You can pull (most the time), sit back and sling arrows, get in the mix and melee, have some spells to make soling a possible option, /auto and drink beer during raids, I can even tank many XP areas like WoS or Ele plains. I break 11K HP and 2K AC easily now. With the right AA you have all kinds of options. /reroll a rogue or monk because someone tells yous they are better DPS and see how many of these options you lose.
So in other words...if u want to melee pick a rogue or monk. I personally chose ranger to shoot.
All some people are saying is that a bow made MORE sense as an epic choice for rangers. And what i hear is that it was going to be a bow..but at the summit of guilds they heard from a lot of "high-end" rangers who said they wanted a melee epic. "Did not want to be forced to shoot" . But maybe the ranger class should be a "shooting" class. It is what sets us aprt. I mean im sure time geared rangers do a ton more dps meleeing than using a bow, and if that was your goal, .... then why did you pick the 3rd best melee class in game? At least when it comes to shooting a bow ... I KNOW only other rangers are better than me at it :)
All some people are saying is that a bow made MORE sense as an epic choice for rangers. And what i hear is that it was going to be a bow..but at the summit of guilds they heard from a lot of "high-end" rangers who said they wanted a melee epic. "Did not want to be forced to shoot" . But maybe the ranger class should be a "shooting" class. It is what sets us aprt. I mean im sure time geared rangers do a ton more dps meleeing than using a bow, and if that was your goal, .... then why did you pick the 3rd best melee class in game? At least when it comes to shooting a bow ... I KNOW only other rangers are better than me at it :)
I wholely agree. Though I still very rarely see any high end (which is 65-70 at the time of writing) rangers doing anything but archery.
The rangers i've seen that do melee usually do it because it's just easier to do - hit your attack button and chat to your friends.
The main bonus of archery though is that's it's a ranged attack, and that it's free (no mana/hp costs). A hell of a lot more rangers 65+ will be wanting a bow not a one hander that's for sure.
Because of this, and the awful set of spells we were given in OoW, I also suspect that SOE thought we were over-powered and needed a sly nerfing.
The rangers i've seen that do melee usually do it because it's just easier to do - hit your attack button and chat to your friends.
The main bonus of archery though is that's it's a ranged attack, and that it's free (no mana/hp costs). A hell of a lot more rangers 65+ will be wanting a bow not a one hander that's for sure.
Because of this, and the awful set of spells we were given in OoW, I also suspect that SOE thought we were over-powered and needed a sly nerfing.
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well i am a 65 ranger with decent aas and i normally shoot my bow. maybe i'm not time equiped or anything but i can sure as hell help out a group. and what's the point of giving us more aas? correct me if i'm wrong but i think the cap is 2250 or something around that, and i already hit that hard. giving us more aas would just be pointless, if they gave us aas to raise that it would be a bit too much we would be criting for like 4k with our bows? that's a little ridiculous if you ask me. monks/rogs can out dps us yea...so what they cant bow kite can they!! there are some advantages to being a gar after all....so quit your whining and play the game.
65 ranger of tunare
drinal
65 ranger of tunare
drinal
The low-quality spells from OoW aren't because SOE thinks we are too powerful, it's because they don't give a rat's rear-end about our class. Not one Dev plays a high-level ranger. They've admitted as much on the Ranger Boards at EQLive.
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