Well i thought Vengeance III was on these gloves, so i shelled out the 34,000pp for the mold... Guess what... There is no Effect on these Gloves. I am very pissed, without the effect these are some crappy gloves. Please stay away from these.
It still has Vengeance 3 on it. All the vengeance stuff got replaced with just a modifer to attack rating. Vengeance 3 is the same as +15 to your attack rating. All they did was clearly spell out what effect the gloves had. They are still the same. Vengeance 1 = +5 attack rating Vengeance 2 = +10 attack rating and so on. Do some research before you slam an item for no reason.
Well, assuming you are not using SCHW for your haste (also in hand slot), then yes they are. Very nice ac for hands, the extra attack and stats are always a plus too. These have pretty much every stat a pally could want minus strength (and strength has GOT to be the easiest stat to max).
These guants are great to get if you do not do LDON much, if you do LDOn then save your money and just do adventures in EF or NRO for armor, the malevolent(sp) armor and the royal attendent armor are much better than these, but like myself I dont have time usually to go on adventures alot so I camp whle I can