I just love all these crybabies, whining over bans on third-party violations. I am on the Bismarck Server, and I just love NM campers, they give me butterflies everytime they steal a NM I had claim on. It doesn't bother me one bit that people using these tools are being banned! Why? Because being on a XBox 360, I don't get any of these advantages these crybabies get. I play the game, and get my gil the correct way, by putting my work in!! I don't sit there and use an advantage to get a leg up on everyone else around me, I play the game and if I'm better than you, then guess what?! It's cuz I put my work in!

I feel no sympathy for anyone who gets banned for doing something they are not supposed to do in the game. Why? Because I don't get to see what your TP is, and I don't get to see my boundries around a mob, I have to play the game.

I do however get to talk to friends on the 360 while playing FFXI. So I do sympathize with those who say they'd like to be able to IM friends while waiting. But I seriously doubt you get the lag I do while talking in voicechat, the lag I recieve both in-game and on voicechat make it a very bad idea to use it while playing.

So to those who whine and cry about not being able to use "Windower", keep crying about it. Because I speak for those of us who don't have that advantage when I say....."Blow it out your A@@, and stop crying about it!"

I've only had the game 3 months and I'm already sick of gil sellers, NM campers, and those who know my info when I can't access theirs. It's a goddamn game!!! Your life isn't going to end if you aren't able to have every advantage possible in this game!!!! I can't access the internet while playing, I can't watch TV(as ridiculious as watching TV while playing a game is, though football season is an exception) while playing this game, and I can't view your stats that should be exclusive to you only, while playing this game, and I can't spawn rape an NM or steal an NM from someone who has claim already while playing this game.

I pay my $12.95/month to SE, and $49.99/year to Microsoft in order to enjoy FFXI. And I work 50+ hours a week, in order to ensure I have such luxuries, so I and those like me who only want to enjoy the game, and try to get as far into the game as possible doing so the correct way, have a single thought about those of you who cry about not getting to use such advantages that most of us don't have the luxury of using.........

....Crybabies!!!

I am a Rank 5, Bismarck Server, 100+ quests done, only Novice Rank on Cloth, but that s#!t is expensive to lvl when I have 8 jobs going similtaniously and constantly need gil for armor, weapons and spells, and wasting gil on BCNM's and paste for my little plain looking baby choco(I wanted a Black one, but got a Yellow one :(. He's still a pimp though!). And I can gaurantee I am as far or further than all of you who are whining about this subject after only 3 months of owning this game, and I have no advantages in this game over other players, except for the fact that I'm not a reject and don't need an edge in order to accomplish anything in this game!

Stop Crying!

I'm using the windower without plugins (not even TP) since few months.
I was still playing this morning, and my internet connection failed,
when I tried to log back on three hours after, there was a message asking for account reactivation (which end up declined for some not yet known reason).

Since it's weekend, I can't contact SE yet.
But maybe some of you guys know you are banned and can tell what message/explication you did have? I'm worried..

As for future, if it means ending up banned after all this time of effort, loosing gamemates, linkshells... windower can go to hell, I guess.. The guy developping it should just have removed plugins option from the program long time ago.
I too, find it not right not to have a windowing option, I used to listen shoutcast radios while playing, monitoring irc, read news websites, read mails, etc... without this option it's a pain in the ***.. really.

I'm just hoping not to have to start everything again, I met good people there, It's been really fun. And yet I feel so ashamed, I'm not sure that I'm banned, but if it's the case, I can not think talking to my "friends" again and that sadens me.

Well, anyway have a nice day / night.

personally i dont find a problem with ppl using windower. It is my understanding that Microsoft didnt endorse FFXI because of forced full screen. Windows is a multitasking operating system and as such your supposed to be able to run other programs in the background I.E. Internet explorer. And since FFXI is forced full-screen i violates my rights as a Microsoft owner, thus why Microsoft didnt endorse FFXI. just my 2 cents

If you read the ToS, you should understand by now that it plainly and blatantly states that SE reserves the right to ban your account without reason. By signing such an agreement, you forfeit all 'ownership rights' of your character to SE.

The windower is a valid problem because it, infact, is a violation to the ToS. It's like a gateway drug to other offenses. You violate it once, you are likely to do it again, regardless of any agreement. It doesn't matter if it 'sets off the games balance'. You're just as bad as the gilsellers. As for the people whining about 'Well dewdz i paid liek a gazillion dollarz to by meh PC, its liek unfairz liek dat u console gamezorz can liek go un ur laptop and teh intarweb lolololz', well, BUY A CONSOLE THAT SUPPORTS FFXI!!! It's not an unfair advantage over you, they paid to be able to do both, without breaking the ToS. Isn't it unfair to them that they had to bust out their laptop just to access the info, while you cheat and alt+tab?

Sure it's nice to know your party members' TP, but they can't see yours if they obey the rules, advantage over them. You know aggro ranges and your distance away from mob, rule abidding players do not.

Don't cry when they utilize their rights that you gave them.

If you read the ToS, you should understand by now that it plainly and blatantly states that SE reserves the right to ban your account without reason. By signing such an agreement, you forfeit all 'ownership rights' of your character to SE.

The windower is a valid problem because it, infact, is a violation to the ToS. It's like a gateway drug to other offenses. You violate it once, you are likely to do it again, regardless of any agreement. It doesn't matter if it 'sets off the games balance'. You're just as bad as the gilsellers. As for the people whining about 'Well dewdz i paid liek a gazillion dollarz to by meh PC, its liek unfairz liek dat u console gamezorz can liek go un ur laptop and teh intarweb lolololz', well, BUY A CONSOLE THAT SUPPORTS FFXI!!! It's not an unfair advantage over you, they paid to be able to do both, without breaking the ToS. Isn't it unfair to them that they had to bust out their laptop just to access the info, while you cheat and alt+tab?

Sure it's nice to know your party members' TP, but they can't see yours if they obey the rules, advantage over them. You know aggro ranges and your distance away from mob, rule abidding players do not.

Don't cry when they utilize their rights that you gave them.

Oh, god don't try to call them either. There techsupport/billing/customer service is horrible. If they don't know the answer to something they flatout lie. My content ID was deleted just prior to the first and I mean "Just"

I call and ask why it was and they had the nerve to tell me I called and did it on the 25th of the prior month. Then I had to ask the obvious question. "Can I login to FFXI without a content ID." Person says "Absolutly not." Then I ask "If it was terminated on the 25th, then why could I login on the 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th and 31st? "Sir, I'm not going to play symantics with you." I respond " Isn't that a valid question?"

I suppose it's only 12 bucks a month and you do pay what you get for from those morons.

Oh, as far as the TOS, if they can lie to me about my account than the TOS can go to Hell and I'll do whatever the heck I want with my own computer.

SE go sit on a RUSTY NAIL!!!!!!

To people that complain about how its unfair for PC users to have a windower and consoles dont..
This arguement is not valid at all. Why? 1. because consoles cant have multiple programs running at the same time so a windower would be pointless. It's not playing favorites, it's just a fact; you knew this when you bought a console. 2. I did not build my own PC for people to tell me that I can only play games on it like a console (I am completely against modifing gameplay) but being able to check on background applications is a function avaible to 99% of PC games/programs.


If you dont like it build a PC and enjoy better better resolution, more options in perifials, and the ability to play while checking the net or whatever.

-----Exactly----- i do agree with the rules... but SE doesnt relize now a days how many programs have automatic pop up ( what you want me to delete my virus protection.. or hell i have even been kicked from a windows update popup... ) granted oyu can not do it on the other systems.. but a PS2 or a xbox360 ( which DOES alow popups without causing a connection lost ), the PC has built in programs that nither of the 2 consoles does.... so yes there should be a way to loose fullscreen and keep playing

sorry it posted in the wrong spot

Edited, Sep 1st 2006 at 12:54pm EDT by Jickson

Okay, I'm probably going to get rated down to nothing for this, but here goes: All of you saying that there is nothing wrong with using Windower are Wrong! You say that it does 'harmless' things like let you know what your party's TP is, which you should know anyways. I agree that you should know your party's TP, I do at all times, but I use a slighlty different method. I ask them to tell me when they're TP is at 100 or better. They set up a macro that lets everyone know, something like this: /p {Warrior} TP <tp>
It's pretty easy and doesn't break any rules. Any person who can't be bothered with little things like communication and group coordination is someone I won't be grouping with for very long.

And concerning this distance gauge thingy. I've never used Windower, but if this thing does what I think it does, then it is giving it's users a humungously unfair adventage (read Cheating). All enemies agro on you, in part, based on distance. A goblin looking right at you won't 'see' you at a certain distance, but one step closer and bang, you are fighting an angry gob. If you always know what your distance is, then you can always avoid this agro. People without this cheat have to use skill to stay out of the agro range, they have to develope a sense of the monster's distance, and people using Windower never have to bother with any of this, they just read a number on their screen.

And finally, being able to play the game in a window. Someone brought out a great point, that people playing on consoles do not have that option of playing in a window and letting people on computers play that way would be playing favorites. Also, playing in a window would allow for playing on multiple accounts at the same time, something people were saying that RTMs do already and we kind of hate them for it.

I appologize for my condescending tone, but I was reading all these post and became very irritated by the people trying to justify their reasons for cheating. I'm not saying that you shouldn't use Windower if you really want to, all of you were right when saying that SE will never catch you unless you advertise. All I'm saying is don't try to justify your cheating by saying SE should provide all these things for you. Especially when they DO provide you with a way to know enemy distance and your party's TP, but you just don't want to bother doing it their way.

Ok, lets say that someone who plays on PC DOESN'T HAVE a printer? The solution is to go BUY one? Windower is free, ink isn't. I play on PS2, but if I had it on PC you bet your midget flavored galkan sausage I'd play with Windower.. The thought of logging out to do.. EVERYTHING is stupid... Some of you kids should think about what the words "Multi Tasking" mean. I used to write the code for my website while camping Huu Mjuu and voice chatting on YIM.


Hook, line, sinker. Pwnt.


And SE is bullsh*t anyway. They only ban legit players.

Even if they add in Windower, I'll still use archbell, because 6 line macros are much too short.

What is the main reason people would use a windower for? For final fantasy? To find out stuff about the game. Because, lets face it, a lot of the people are pretty unhelpful at times, afk, etc and so on. Now. Your choices are that you either download every page you could possibly need when it gets updated everyday, or log off and check every time you need something

Or!!!!

Buy their guide!

Touché.