My Response to 48 Hours

Last Friday, the CBS News Magazine 48 Hours broadcast a story about Everquest as part of a show about addiction. This broadcast showed such a serious lack of journalistic integrity and left so many questions unanswered that I feel compelled to respond. Clearly, in this case true journalism was set aside, and CBS instead came up with what they thought was a juicy premise and then manufactured the facts to fit, purposefully ignoring the multitude of other facts that repudiated their predetermined storyline. In doing so, they insulted and belittled the hundreds of thousands of us who play and enjoy online games and have no difficulty integrating our hobby into our regular daily lives. (I’m including the DAoC site in this editorial because there is no doubt that had they focused on that game, their premise would have remained the same). The title of their show was “Addiction”, so let me start with the word itself. All too often our media adopts a viable scientific or medical term and warps it far beyond its original meaning to the point where the term loses all actual meaning. Addiction is one of those terms. I am sorry, but Everquest is not addictive. Neither is eating, working, having sex, or any of the myriad other activities our press loves to call addictive. To call Everquest addictive is an insult to the many people out there who are struggling to overcome the many serious and valid debilitating addictions in our world. An addictive substance is something you need, not want, and no matter how you look at it, nobody needs to play Everquest. Playing Everquest is definitely a lot of fun, and some may prefer playing it to doing any of the other activities life may offer, even to the point of ignoring things society deems important. This is not an addiction, but rather a lack of self control. A man sweating with the anguish of withdrawal from his normal dose of heroin is addicted and in need to help to kick his habit. His body needs that heroin. A man who plays Everquest to the point where he ignores his family, job and life is simply out of control. He may want to keep playing the game, but he does not need it. There is a difference. CBS’s premise that this is some sort of evil game that sucks the mind out of its players and causes them to lose control of their lives is simply ridiculous. If someone loses control of his life, it is likely that he would have found some other way to do it even if he did not find Everquest. It makes for a juicy headline, but really is tabloid journalism at its worst. Even more tabloid journalism was the presentation itself. Is there any doubt that 48 Hours interviewed hundreds of people and kept rejecting person after person for being too normal or because the game did not have any negative impact on their lives before picking their eventual subjects? Even the player they eventually did decide to film hardly supported their premise, although they used every trick in their book to make it seem that he did. It’s obvious they had no intention of presenting an unbiased article and routinely rejected anything that contradicted the story they wanted to make. They instead wanted to shock the viewer and make him believe that there are hundreds of thousands of mentally unstable gaming addicts playing this online video game who are probably just steps away from killing themselves and who knows how many others. Obviously the CBS motto is to never let the facts get in the way of a good story. The player they finally chose to interview was a doctor who played Everquest about 20 hours a week. He seemed to be a fairly normal person with a normal family life. They obviously chose him because his wife complained that she wished that he spent less time playing Everquest and more time with his family. The implication was clear that this was an otherwise good and normal man hopelessly corrupted by this evil game. Funny, but I saw something else. Here is a man who manages to hold down a high pressure job, is a loving husband, properly raises his children and provides for his family. Yet CBS wants to excoriate him for stealing 20 hours a week of private time for himself, because he does it playing a video game and, quite frankly, they think that’s weird. They showed him sitting there fighting something in the game and then zoomed in to the reporter so that she could arch her eyebrows and look properly horrified that anyone would be silly enough to waste his time on something like that. “Look”, she said, “he even has trouble looking away from the screen when I’m talking to him”. Oh if only he hadn’t met this evil game, he would surely be the perfect husband and father. Let me add something up here. CBS sports is a very profitable part of their network. Watching two Sunday NFL games takes a good 7 hours. A single college game on Saturday is another 3 ½ hours and there are games on all day long. Add in a couple baseball, basketball or hockey games during the week and you can easily add up to 20 hours watching sports on TV for just your average sports fan. A dedicated sports fan would of course go much higher than that. I’m guessing if that was his hobby, 48 Hours would have never come knocking at his door. “Man ignores family to watch football” does not make as tantalizing a headline as “Man becomes addicted to evil video game”. I don’t see CBS urging their sports division to put a warning label at the bottom of every football game warning that watching sports can be addictive and cause you to spend time away from your family. His wife should be glad he is not going out to the bars every night with his friends like many other men and women and that he instead found a way to blow off steam that keeps him at home and available when she needs him and that comes at a relatively small cost. She was never asked, but would any of us be surprised to find out that the wife who is complaining so much about her husband’s game playing spends far more than 20 hours a week watching television or shopping. I would think just about anyone spends at least 20 hours a week on personal projects and hobbies. Playing golf, sports, television, reading, and shopping are a few obvious examples of activities people spend long hours at, but there are plenty of others. Of course that wouldn’t fit into CBS’s concept for the show, so those facts simply got ignored. Besides, they want to make him look weird, not normal, and pointing that out would simply remind people that this isn’t really all that odd after all. He’s playing a video game, so there must be something wrong with him. This is after all a tabloid and not a real news show. 48 Hours also interviewed Ben Stein about his son’s Everquest playing. I guess this was to show that even pseudo-celebrities like him are not immune to this scourge. (If they wanted to interview a celebrity, why not a real one who actually plays Everquest like Curt Schilling? – Oh yeah, Curt would have told them they were full of it and blown a hole in their whole false and demeaning premise). Am I the only one struck by Mr. Stein’s method of stopping his son from playing EQ? He sent him off to a boarding school where, according to Mr. Stein, they did not allow games like that to be played. After a stint of time away from Everquest, and not coincidentally away from his parents, he was suddenly cured. (and I’m glad we were spared the manufactured scenes of his son lying in bed at the boarding house, body shaking and sweating profusely, and mewing pitifully about “just one more orc, please just one more”). Well, Ben, why didn’t you just not allow those games at your house? If your son is playing video games to what you consider an excess, maybe you should just put your foot down and pull the plug on his computer. If he instead spent his time downloading online porn, would you have let him do that for a while until you finally threw up your hands and sent him off to a porn-free school somewhere? Who is the problem here? The teenager who plays a game to excess, or for that matter does anything to excess, or the parent who allows it? Sorry Ben, but don’t blame the manufacturer of a game for your bad parenting. Finally, there is poor Mrs. Woolley. It must be terrible to lose a son, and we all feel sympathy for her. But eventually she is going to have to face up to the fact that Everquest did not have anything to do with it. Shawn was a troubled and mentally disturbed child and had been so for all of his life. Something was bound to set him off eventually. Maybe it was indeed something that happened to him in the game. Everquest is after all populated with real people, and the inability to interact with people seemed to be at the root of his mental illness. It really could have been just about anything that brought about his suicide. The unfortunate fact in life is that sometimes bad things happen and there’s not much we can do about it. Blaming Everquest for her son’s death probably makes Mrs. Woolley feel better and gives her an outlet for her grief, and you know what? I really have no problem with that. Let her deal with her grief in whatever manner she wishes. What is wrong is for a news outlet like CBS to exploit her grief for the sake of their ratings. And make no mistake that this is pure exploitation on their part. “Satanic Video game convinces man to commit suicide” was just too good a headline for them to resist. The tabloid journalists who make up the 48 Hours staff must have truly started salivating when they thought that one up. So they hauled their cameras into that poor woman’s living room and helped feed her delusion so that they could broadcast it to the rest of the world and sell a lot of commercials. Frankly, this part makes me sicker than any other part of their story. Manufacturing facts to make up a false story you hope will bring big ratings makes you a poor journalist, but exploiting a mother’s suffering and grief from the death of her son for those ratings makes you a poor human being. The journalists who made their trek to the Woolley residence to get their juicy video game murder story were simply parasites feeding on that poor woman’s grief and delusions. I’d like to think that Susan Spencer, the journalist who did this story, has a little more trouble sleeping a night because of her actions, but unfortunately I doubt it bothers her in the least. It is sad to see that the network of the great Walter Cronkite has sunk to such depths. I had always thought journalism was about facts first and story second. Yet CBS managed to do an entire story on the supposedly addictive and evil nature of this game without displaying a single fact to prove it and by ignoring the many facts that disprove it. In the end they made fun of something they know nothing about, exploited something that should be pitied instead, and succeeded in nothing more than insulting the hundreds of thousands of people who consider playing Everquest and other video games a normal, healthy and enjoyable part of their lives. For what it’s worth, they also lost my respect and viewer ship. If you wish to contact CBS about this show, here is the contact information: 48 Hours 524 West 57th St. New York, NY 10019 E-MAIL: 48hours@cbsnews.com. PHONE: (212) 975-3247
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What is Addiction?
# Oct 29 2002 at 1:41 PM Rating: Default
There seems to be some question about the correct definition of addiction. The traditional meaning (and the one that makes sense to me) refers to a physically habit-forming substance that is known to be harmful. The following is from Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

Addiction: compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful.

HOWEVER, an emotional attachment to something has become a common usage of this word. The Newbury House dictionary gives this definition:

1. a person physically or EMOTIONALLY dependent on a substance, such as a drug: "He is a heroin addict." 2 infrml. fig. a fan, (syn.- a devotee): "He is a golf addict; he plays every day. "

Because of the context in which CBS presented their 'expose', they gave the viewers the impression that they were referring to an "ADDICTION" in the most traditional meaning of the word - a substance that is PHYSICALLY addicting and harmful. This, of course, is an obvious falsehood, and lacking in journalistic integrity.

What CBS should have clearly stated was that the 'addiction' to EQ, is simply a synonyn for the word 'devotee'... something that we enjoy, just like the example of a golfer.

The tie-in comes in this last definition, and it's relation to lack of self-control that has been flamed in these comments. We all need to realize that while we are FANS and DEVOTEES of this game that we so dearly love, we are STILL required to live responsibly and exhibit self-control in our lives. Whether our enjoyment is obtained from watching sports, playing games, or any other enjoyable activity.

So I say to all of you who are agreeing that EQ is an 'addiction'... you may be technically correct in the liberal definition of the word; HOWEVER, that does not excuse you from being in control of your life, and taking responsibility for it!


RE: What is Addiction?
# Oct 29 2002 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
FINALLY, someone who is coming forward with definitive substance. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with your summation of the general use of this word.
Enjoy it all
# Oct 29 2002 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
Life rules, Love is life and you LIVE until you die.

Heh, in reality anything done to excess is bad for you. Excersice to much, eat to much play DAoC or EQ to much, any of them will kill you.

CBS? They are a-holes who would do anything for a buck. Whatever, as for depression read the top of the post and believe.

By the way Allakhazam I copied your message wrote a little note at the top saying that you wrote it and that I agreed and sent it to CBS. Hope you don't mind
You are not a victim you are a volunteer ...
# Oct 28 2002 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
Well I hate to all out flame but someone here has gotten me so miffed I must.
In response to the 'Idiots' post: You make me sick you snivling little victim! It's people like you who emasculate our society, hand our freedoms over to government, and promote an all out lack of accountability in the general populace.
Why? Because you are afraid and lack all ability to recognize your own shortcomings you spineless pathetic whiner. So you screwed up at college because you got carried away and played EQ instead of studying. I bet you had no choice but to stay glued to that monitor. The fact that you at least had the sense of self to pull your grades out of the toilet with out a twelve step program, rehab clinic, or a dose of methadone puts your lackawit addiction theory in the toilet. You made a choice. You made a poor choice. You paid the price. End of story.
Let me be fair and put myself up for criticism. I play DAOC 10 hours a week on average. I enjoy it alot but like to do many other things as well. Yes the game can get pretty riveting and on really rare instances I have even taken the day off work to play. My choice, and when I had a few bucks less that week I just did without somethings. The game didnt make me do it. Recently I had a relationship of 7 years end. When things were rough I would come home and play DAOC alot. We didn't talk much. But things were rough before DAOC. Before then I would just work real late, hang out with a friend or hit a tavern to avoid her. Excessive gaming a problem? More like a symptom I think.
Sorry to all you out there that think this is over the top a bit but I think it needed to be said.
Let us all think to ourselves before we lash out , "Have I took a good look at myself lately?" I highly doubt the poster of 'Idiots' has.

Anrik of Innis
RE: You are not a victim you are a volunteer ...
# Oct 29 2002 at 1:01 AM Rating: Default
sure ok I was some what out of line over that. I apologize to anyone I offended. Does anyone realize though that people have had to go to rehab BECAUSE of EQ though or DAoC or AO or UO or any other MMORPG? example: Ben Stein's son just got put into rehab because of EQ because he stopped going to school and pretty much didnt leave his room except to take a bio break. And yes I have taken a look at myself lately and yes I am discusted with my pale face from the lack of UV rays from being indoors every day to play EQ or other games or sack out in front of the TV. I started working out, running, and hanging out with friends more and I discovered that I dont feel the need nor want to play EQ as much. I didnt mean to flame anyone but I felt it stupid that people cant realize that EQ is addictive like anything else in the world.
RE: You are not a victim you are a volunteer ...
# Oct 31 2002 at 6:45 PM Rating: Default
Scenario #1: I'm "addicted" to EverQuest. I play every day as much as possible.
EverQuest Disappears.
I'm bummed, but go out and find a new hobby.

Scenario #2: I'm addicted to Heroin. I use it daily for a year.
Heroin Disappears.
I suffer from withdrawl. My body goes into shock. I die.

hmmm... is it just me or is there a bit of a difference in those endings?

I don't buy the whole emotional addiction thing. I've been playing EQ for over 2 years. I like it a lot, I play on a regular basis. Sometimes I even consider staying home from work, or staying up all night to get through a quest, or to level. But, you know what... I don't. I know better, I know that I have other responsibilites in life, and that EQ is *just a game* That quest will still be waiting for me to complete when I get home from work, I'm certainly not going to de-level if I don't play for a week. The *game* doesn't compel you to keep playing, thats *your* deficiency. Its a simple choice, play, or don't play. *YOU* make that choice.
Integrity is sacrificed for short-term gains
# Oct 28 2002 at 6:34 PM Rating: Default
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First, I don't know if anyone has pointed out that the amount of truth in the story about EQ is pretty typical of all news and journalism these days. Since we all know EQ, and can see how CBS twisted things to make a point, you can imagine that if you are watching news on other subjects, they are likewise twisted and lacking integrity. Only a small kernel of truth exists, all else is fabricated or twisted to fit a premise. Remember this next time you see news about the present situation with Iraq, or other events most of us have no direct knowledge of. Probably only 10% of what you hear in the news is truth, the rest is fiction. Pick a story sometime and research it. Talk to somebody who was actually involved, and you will see!

Second, although I do agree that the responses above are well written, I think it hurts your arguement to say the EQ cannot be addictive because it is not a substance that is consumed. Although addiction may be defined as only related to substance abuse, it is common language to say people are addicted to behaviors these days. So, you can be addicted to shopping, golf, ************* or whatever! To argue that the word addiction does not apply to EQ hurts your arguement's credibility.

Actually, I do feel that EQ is addictive. I don't think we will ever have the board at Verant appear before congress to swear they did not know it was addictive (as in cigarettes). Verant knows its game is addictive, and they simply got lucky. I don't think they intended to make it addictive, but are more likely cashing in on a lucky break. However, I'm sure they make darn sure they don't loose that addictive flavor, and in fact are finding ways to increase it. From the outside looking in, EQ clearly has all the earmarks of an addictive hobby. But, so what? Its not criminal (yet) to manipulate the addictive quality of games. Hell, Coffee, Coke and Pepsi have caffeine, which is highly addictive, but its not illegal. Lots of new drinks have addictive herbs in them (Red Bull, etc.), but they aren't illegal (yet). Perhaps EQ should but a warning label on the box, but aside from that I don't think they are doing anything wrong.

However, EQ is not any more addictive than most sports or other hobbies. The thing with sports is that you are dependent on weather (unless you play an indoor sport). So, even if you get addicted, you will likely have to stop soon due to weather and seasons changing. But I know plenty of football, baseball, and basketball fans who obviously are addicted to their sport, either watching or playing. Many people are addicted to working (as in work-aholic). And, certainly shopping malls and retailers are starting to employ psychologists these days to cash in on the addictive nature of shopping. And, clearly watching TV is addictive too. So, EQ is just another one of those hobbies that people can be addicted to, and must use their own judgement on how far to take it. Should there be a warning label on the doors to the mall, or on a baseball bat saying you are about to engage in an addictive occupation? Well, when we decide that is appropriate, then we will put a similar label on most video games. And, EQ will get a large label indeed! Until then, its up to every individual to control themselves in the face of these addictive occupations and keep some balance in their lives.

After all, if somebody shoots someone, do you blame the gun or the person? Obviously, the person is to blame. Well, if somebody plays EQ to the point of losing their job and family, then do you blame EQ or the player?

EQ is not a bad thing just because it is addictive. That is the underlying premise that CBS seemed to take for granted, which I feel is wrong. People are accountable for their actions, and if they abuse an addictive substance, they are still accountable. Even if it is a video game. CBS was trying to persuade you that EQ is so addictive that individuals cannot control themselves in the face of this overwhelmingly addictive game. They MUST play it. Well, we all know this is simply not true. We enjoy the game. We occasionally feel like we REEEAAALY want to play it, but there is no involuntary compulsion here. EQ is a little bit addictive, but not more so than sports, TV or shopping.

BTW, is playing EQ better for you than watching TV?? You bet! Thats a subject I'll bet CBS wouldn't touch with a 100 foot pole!

Edited, Mon Oct 28 18:31:07 2002
Idiots.
# Oct 28 2002 at 5:40 PM Rating: Default
I'm not going to comment on the 48 hours peice since I havent seen it.. but you fools who think that EverQuest is not addicting (in the truest sense of the word) are fooling yourselves.

I can sit here and say, "Well, imagine what it would be like if EQ pulled the plug." but in your addicted minds, you cannot possibly fathom such a thing occuring, so I wont even begin to give you guys the credit to really delve deep and picture that happening.

I have played online games for 11 years. You guessed it... 11 freaking years, starting in 1992 on MUDs (what these current MMORPGs were derived from). I have seen it all in my time. I have known countless people who dropped out of college because of the addictive nature of these games. Two of my close friends did, and I, myself, was addicted at one point. You should see my college transcript: two semesters of a 1.5 GPA. I had to beg to get back into college after they kicked me out (thankfully they did, and after I shook the habit once and for all by deleting my character, I graduated 4 years later, but this is neither here nor there).

For most of you, EverQuest is your first encounter with the online RPG world. If a MUD (a game of TEXT) is addicting, I thought to myself, EQ will be insane. And it is.

I'm not going to go on and on, with this subject, but please... stop making yourself feel better by saying things like, 'Its a choice! We all have choices! Its not addicting', and all that other jargon. I've heard it a thousand times by people. Eventually, you'll look up one night after having played all weekend, and you'll push back from the computer, and look around the room. You will then come to the conclusion that that that high level player you slaved over, and big dragon you killed, and that epic weapon you got after 3 years of playing, culminated into absolutely nothing tangeable in real life. If you're smart, you'll then begin to re-prioritize your life, and begin to want to do something that has real results (ie. go back to college, fix that deck, move out of your parents house finally). Its then that you will unwittingly begin to shake the addiction.

++AC
RE: Idiots.
# Nov 02 2002 at 3:54 PM Rating: Default
It really isnt that hard to walkaway I did for 2 years.
RE: Idiots.
# Oct 31 2002 at 10:56 AM Rating: Default
I'm gonna agree with the poster that called you a pathetic whiner. I'll hammer this home one more time: MMORPGs are not addictive, they are entertaining. Many time I have played and been completely absorbed in what was going on, but the same can be said when I watched Signs in the theatre or Red Dwarf on the tube. Not all players are as emotionally lacking as you. They are capable of playing until it is time to stop, then stop.

There is a common belief that "us gamers" are genetic throwbacks that pull the shades and block out the world. Having no life experiences of our own we are "forced" to seek refuge in the virtual worlds. Well, I'll tell you something, I play 20-30 hours a week and I've had a pretty full life too. You need to get over your lack of control and no you don't do that by going to rehab, you do that by doing some of the things that make you a richer human being. If you think I'm just another blowhard nerd consider this, I'm 32, I've done the following: 4 years apprentice chef, chef in a European/Pan-Asian restaurant 1 year, 1 year US Forest Service as a botanist and surveyor, 2 years as a professional model, trade school in network engineering and telecommunication, motorcycle trip down the West Coast, cross-country trip by car for pleasure. I've vacationed in Aruba, all across Mexico, England and Scotland (the last was for a wedding!). I've produced 2 LPs and an EP and I've done over a hundred gigs. If you don't have a similar depth of life experience, why don't you try putting away your computer keyboard and leave your room.
RE: Idiots.
# Oct 31 2002 at 8:17 AM Rating: Default
I've never played EQ, but I play DAoC and have been playing for about a month. As allways - when I start playing a really good computer game - I play ALOT.

When I started playing Ultima Underworld 2 back in the early 90es (truly a great game) I would play 16 hours a day in the weekends. I've been in the same situatioin with a few other games: Eye of the Beholder 2, Warlords and Half-Life to name some of them. No matter what the game is, you just feel 100% entertained while playing - and then other forms of entertainment can't really compete. This special feeling does not only apply to computer games, I've had the same experience with books (reading Lord of the Rings for the first time for instance) or even TV-shows (I got my hands on every episode of Twin Peaks not long ago). Many will know this feeling - you just HAVE to know what happens in the next chapter.

If that is addiction, anything that gives you any kind of pleasure is addictive: sports, cars, candy, ************* sex, books, listening to music, tv and drinking a cup of coffee wile reading the news in the morning.

If you wanna call all that addiction, fine. I just feel that the term 'addictive' would be a little more usefull if it only covered stuff like nicotine, alcohol and heroin - substances that if overly used will make your body need them.

If we use your definition of the word accictive, I was able to get through high school with good grades even though I was constantly addicted to something. And if that is addiction, I fail to see the problem of being addicted. I'm certain that in five years my current 'addiction' to Dark Age of Camelot will have little or no influence on my life - just like the computer games that I was 'addicted' to five years ago haven't ruined my current life.

Bjargulf <De Gale Trolde Fra Nord>
DAoC server Bors.
Oh, and one last thing ... don't call me an idiot ...
RE: Idiots.
# Oct 29 2002 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
I think you need to get off your soapbox and calm down, I don't agree with you at all. By saying that this game is "addicting", you are saying that anyone who plays Everquest has not control over their life choices. I came from the MUD generation myself -- even played all the "Zork" games. I carried around a Kaypro 4X with me to many different countries. I played a lot, but never allowed the game to interfere with my real life. I tried hang gliding, I tried skydiving, and I traveled all over the world. If you decided to "slave" yourself to a game, then you are the person who must take responsibility for the decision in allowing the challenges of a game to overrule your life-path. You can blame a game all you want for decisions you make, but it is ultimately you, not the game that is making any decisions to play. Look at your life, look at whether or not you are satisfied with the way you are running your own life, and then decide if what you are doing is right for you or not.

We keep saying how "addictive" this game is, but fail to look at how our own lives are going. Ask yourself why the MUDs were so "addicting", then ask why you were so motivated to play them. If your answer is because life for you was so "screwed" up, then ask what was ******** your life up. I'm sure it wasn't the game -- you need to give yourself time to get away from the harsher realities of life -- you can always opt to go out with someone, go for a walk, go for a drive, and still take a mini-vacation from your problems. Just remember that your problems are still there when you return. There are plenty of people in this forum who are successful, do what they want, get what they want, and are level 60 players killing dragons.

People are CORRECT when they say "It's a choice". You made a choice to leave your posting, I'm making a choice to answer your post. If the people in this forum choose to slave away on killing a dragon, and they do it, and if that is giving them a kind of satisfaction they are not getting in real life, then their objective has been met. Your ability to reprioritize your life is a demonstration of another choice that you made. Go on the Internet, and do some research on addictions, I've found that people with gambling or alcohol addictions seem to run hand-in-hand. A person with a gambling addiction, normally led to alcohol addiction. I don't remember a lot of people becoming addicted to anything else by playing a game, do you?
CBS story tellers...
# Oct 28 2002 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
I so agree with your post. I have waited to post, kind of timid about it actually. First off, I am Cardiac Catheterization Tech. I assist a Cardiologist in the diagnostic prognosis and interventional benefits of the coronary arteries. You are right it is pretty high stress with a 0.014 mm wire in someone's main coronary artery knowing that if you let go of it the possible puncture of the artery could cause a major castorphe.

When Peter Henderson, CBS Producer, first approached me about doing the story after my wife emailed him about my lack of giving her attention. He came across as though he wanted to protray how this was a good game that had unexpected outcome. The game is innoviated and has positive aspects of it. Communication with others. The ability to use strategy to overcome diversity albeit a video game. Mr. Henderson first came to the house and he asked me to play the game. I did. I agreed to play a game on national TV. Because to me that is all that is...A GAME.

During the interview I was asked to play the game and "go kill something". I was under the impression that they wanted to see some action. Well, they asked to see the action that compels people to play. So I was in Chardok and showed them some action. The interviewer then continued to ask questions while I was playing, I paused and stop killing, to answer questions but was asked to continue to play. So, was I busy yeah. Lost of concentration, a little. All because they wanted action.

My wife has it good. I average about 170 to 210 hours a pay period. So I work my glutes off and want to have some fun too. When will I quit, when it is no longer fun. Its a great a game. With some very good graphics. I have even met some very cool people on the game and thats a good thing. I have made some contacts with people in my industry.

Am I happy with the way the interview turned out. Not especially, but damn my girls look cute as all get out.

Would I do it again? No.

So, do I harbor any ill will against CBS? Yeah where are my copies of the show and ball caps damn it.

Oh, about what they said? Bah it just makes think twice about what 'active' journalism is.

I am sorry that someone took there life over it. I have seen my share lost life. Its not a pretty sight. The brevity of someone taking their own life is very hard for me to digest. I hope that the family finds some closure in the words that were spoken by CBS.

Take care folks. Enjoy the game remember that is a game. 20 hours during the work week and then 20 hours on weekend again another misqoute.

Edited, Mon Oct 28 12:40:29 2002
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Re: Feed Your Head
# Oct 27 2002 at 7:38 PM Rating: Default
Whoot, thats one way to put it =)

About 14/20 (7/10) people in every group, theres going to be someone smart, the rest dumb. It's just the way it is. /nod.

Hey btw (by the way), just curious; how do you get those little head dudes on? Hehe.

Ppunch Thunderfists
Aime (no last name)
Lanys T'Vly

** Don't do something to your brotha, that you wouldnt want your brotha to do to you **
feed your head
# Oct 27 2002 at 2:23 PM Rating: Default
I must admit that I did not see this pathetic 'news' show as I have made a conscious choice to not watch tv long before I discovered mmorpgs. Having myself lived through the days of Donahue vs Dungeons and Dragons I can well imagine the xenophobic idiots glued to their tvs in fear and terror. Lets look at tv ( the attacking medium, the 'norm') in contrast to mmorpgs (addictive dangerous pastimes that stole my son/daughter/wife/husband etal. )
Television, when last I looked about 50% content 50% someone trying to sell you a product.
It is highly passive. Do you learn anything? Possibly if you choose your programming well. What does a sunday football game teach you? Not much I'd say. Sensationalist news coverage about Afghanistan? Buffy the Vampireslayer? You see the point. Tv only feels rewarding to those who lack independent thought by and large. It seems to leave the rest of us shaking our heads wondering if most of us are this patheticly stupid or is this just what Ted Turner wants. Drooling masses rushing home to fire up the idiot box and eagerly consume the products of his sponsors.
MMORPGS while you are not likely to be getting into shape playing them they are far less passive. You need be attentive and thinking. They stimulate the logic process and exercise the mind. It is a socail community of sorts where you interact with and meet people of all walks of life. It promotes interaction and cooperation. Somewhere a republican is helping a liberal independent camp for xp,only on the internet. One can get carried away as they are fun but far more get carried away with their tv veiwing.
Well thats my to coppers.
Oh yes moms and dads ... the internet is a useful and dangerous tool; like sharp knives, cars, and prescription drugs. Perhaps you should turn off your tv awhile and talk to your children long enough to know they are using these tools wisely.

Anrik of Innis, Bors
Ridiculous
# Oct 26 2002 at 9:58 PM Rating: Default
I laughed, really really hard, when i saw that crap on tv. Not only that, i downloaded the clip and showed it to a friend, and he laughed, really really hard.
My Opinion...
# Oct 26 2002 at 4:22 PM Rating: Default
My suggestion to *48 Hours*... S H O V E I T ! I mean, c'mon; you guys made EQ (EverQuest) sound so bad. And Ben Stein, shut the **** up dude. You think they're going to stop making a game that gets about $2,500,000 a year, and because some kid was suicidle, that wasn't EQ's fault? EQ is not only fun, but some-what educating! 1. Helps increase typing, 2. Spelling, 3. Grammar 4. Other stuff. Now, not being rude, but I think you pissed just about every EQ player off, and/ or made them laugh their ****** *** off at you guys. A game CAN NOT be addicted, its a CHOICE! Back to reality peeps, people have a choice, they have a decision in life to do WHAT they want, WHEN they want, what they do to themselves, is what God (or what ever god you believe in)made you for! You have one shot in life, whether you take the chance to live, or not. This game is for entertainment, people who take this game as a relation place, NO, get a room, meet somewhere in real life, k? This game is for entertainment, fun, a challenge.
Well, what can I say? Thats my belief, a decision is for 1 person, you. You take the chance in life. Thats what life is. Every blink of an eye you take is a chance...
C'ya on EQ peeps.

** Sad to see a 13 yr old make better decisions than a grown-up **
Ppunch Thunderfists
Aime (No last name)
Lany's T'Vly
RE: My Opinion...
# Oct 29 2002 at 1:13 AM Rating: Default
2,500,000 a YEAR? WAY less than that, there are 420,000 subscriptions to EQ. at 12dollars a month that is 5,040,000 a month from those people. take expences of about 1-2 million a month for salary's/repairs/updates etc. that is 60,480,000 a year minus 12-24 million for expences. you do the math
Joe
# Oct 26 2002 at 10:10 AM Rating: Default
By the way additional remark. IF this EQ suddenly ceased operation, I can bet you players around the world will go bonkers and run amok. Just look at those day when the server was down, everyone got agitated, angried and some depressed shouting ceaslessly for the game to come back on. Worse if they can only get on to the chat page they will bombard the guides and flood the chat forum questioning why isn't the game up on schedule. If that is not withdrawal what is it. Right now no one think with their right mind everyone will be emotionally charge because their beloved game is being criticise and they MUST stand togather and uphold the honor of this game.. Bah
Joe
# Oct 26 2002 at 10:04 AM Rating: Default
IT IS AN ADDICTIVE and EXPENSIVE GAME. It controls your mind. For the last 3 years since this game was born not only do I have to now pay extra for the game due to price increase. I would have to fork out more to upgrade my computer if i want to have better graphics and any old graphic card does not support the current software engine. Also you can't use win95 anymore. You have to have extra ram if you want the game to run faster despite having a high hard disk. Then you need better sound card if you want to listen to the music. Also if you want to intereact with your so-call game friends who have those fancy sound system where you can communicate with them online you gotta upgrade, otherwise you are loser. Then come those expansions. If again you want to journey to those new land for new spells you GOTTA BUY IT or else lose out. So are you telling me this game is not addictive as you have claim? People gotta spend at least a real two hour before finally you can get the game going. While you are in game you can't run to the toilet in the middle of a combat or else you get killed or get your guild or group killed. And if that happens you are being ostrasize. CBS is very right to say this game is addictive. I only wish they would have covered the high cost of maintaining the game too.

RE: Joe
# Oct 31 2002 at 1:51 AM Rating: Default
I enjoy playing everquest. It is a great game, but you know what happened to me the other day? I suddenly became aware of myself sitting in front of my computer holding the latest video card in my hands. Apparently, I had zoned out, drove to the store, bought the latest and greatest video graphics adapter without realizing it. I'm telling you the game made me do it. If you believe that story, I have a bridge to sell ya. Joe, was your post serious???? You got to be kidding... It controls your mind? If your mind is that weak I would really like to meet you. I'm sure I could convince you to do anything I suggest. Keep posting Joe, I enjoy the laughs.
RE: Joe
# Oct 29 2002 at 5:26 PM Rating: Default
Give me a friggin' break. That's not addiction. It's called "Keeping up with the Joneses." If you think not having the best sound card for EQ makes you a loser, then you are a loser. There's something wrong with you if you think you must continually upgrade or be thought a loser. Feh. People like you give our species a bad name.

Yeah, if you want to journey to "those new land for new spells" you'll have to buy the expansion, but I know plenty of people who are satisfied having only the original EQ, or just Kunark.

You haven't a clue what addiction is. You toss it around like any moron who thinks that really liking something is addiction. People who lose their families, their jobs or their lives over EQ had something else wrong. Withdrawing from the real world and living only in Norrath is a symptom that something's wrong. EQ isn't causing the problem.

And boo hoo hoo over "the high cost of maintaining the game." If you have something else you want to spend your thirteen dollars on, then do it. Quit whining that it's someone or something else's fault that you have no willpower, ambition or motivation.

Edited, Tue Oct 29 17:08:15 2002
FYI
# Oct 26 2002 at 1:40 AM Rating: Decent
Just found this over on The Safehouse site -

http://www.avatarsoffline.com/index.htm

It's a DVD of a documentry about 'our' world of online gaming. I don't know if it has been mentioned in this thread already but think it is relevent enough to mention again if it has. Smiley: smile

I haven't seen the CBS show or bought this DVD - I just wonder if CBS used/referenced this documentry at all.

Edited, Sat Oct 26 02:32:17 2002
reply
# Oct 25 2002 at 10:56 PM Rating: Default
Very well written response to the extremely biased 48 hours show. I am glad to see how many people were posting on the 48 Hours site as soon as that segment ended. I myself posted about it and blasted CBS for their shoddy reporting about EQ. All they cared about were the ratings, not the content.
I survived the long, dark years of Rona Jaffe's BS book and movie about D&D, the laughter I encountered about the time I spent doing things I liked instead of ******** off and generally not having a life. Well, my life is great and I wouldnt change it.
Sorry about the kid, but 48 Hours skipped on several of the facts about him. How he quit going to the shrink, how he quit taking his medicine, how he had very severe problems BEFORE EQ. But, that would lessen the impact of the story wouldnt it?
Soldier on gang.
Jim
Competition
# Oct 25 2002 at 5:16 PM Rating: Excellent
28 posts
Call it whatever you want, this is simply an attack on competition. The time I spend playing Everquest would otherwise be the time I spend laying around watching tv.

Everquest is competition for CBS, new, movies, sports, etc.

Zaknafen -- DE Necro -- Saryrn
TV
# Oct 25 2002 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
Here is the real oxymoron, with out being able to site any source, I’m confident that the net consummation of time watching TV is much greater and more people killed themselves doing it.
Contacting CBS
# Oct 25 2002 at 9:33 AM Rating: Default
Thank you for posting how to reach CBS, AllaKhazam.
Media taking things too far.
# Oct 25 2002 at 7:47 AM Rating: Default
I have seen first hand how the media can take a small fact and blow it up and twist it so that when it hits the public there is no truth left to it. A few years back a local kid I had gone to school with had killed his parents and his little brother. During the whole investigation of it all one piece of evidence was a music CD that had blood on it. Of course when the media saw that it suddenly became, " 'Silver Chair' causes local boy to kill family". When I happend to mention this and complain about it in a certain persons presence they set me straight. This person happend to be the state appointed defense attorney. The whole, music made him do it, was never brought up in court. Did this stop the media from trying to get ratings by saying it though of course not. The media today is going to go for a story and not truth.
Haha..
# Oct 25 2002 at 7:42 AM Rating: Default
Okay.. They don't talk about stuff like this in how football fans are addicted to their sport.. And if their team takes a loss at the superbowl, there's probably a few dozen for that reason. THe betting in sports in general.. If the booky doesn't get payed, he would kill who didn't. From all the sporting events. Yet.. Gambling is quite different.. But still, sports out there are more of a suicide rate then EQ.. EQ helps young growing minds develope into shrinking braindead minds. FOUR YEARS NOW! Help EQ take your money and play. I love playing it's great. I just wish they'd kill the ******* newbs in game. Thanks.
EQ saves lives
# Oct 24 2002 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
I would just Like to say that with even 100,000 players (and I bleieve the actual number is Higher) with only 2 suicides in the 4years EQ has been out, puts EQ players well under the nation average for suicide rates. If you want to try and group EQ players into a community and asses their risk, Then it must be determinied that Playing EQ actually reduces your risk of suicide.
Just a game?!?
# Oct 24 2002 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
Until the day I die (never by suicide)I will maintain that any MMoG is more than simply a game. As long as there is interaction between more than one person you have a social setting. The closest that anyone in EQ comes to this being simply a game is the Necro or Mage or other purely soloing player, and even then they are going to have to interact with someone at sometime.

EQ has it great points and it has its faults. One of its faults is NOT that it kills people. People kill people. This is often made easier by several factors but in the end it is still the same.

I lived through the D&D period of blame and I lived through the Card game period of blame and I am now living through the MMoG period of blame. It just seems to be human nature to look for something to blame a tragedy on that does not point back at yourself. As for all of these people that are not supposedly showing compassion for the loss of another person... that is hogwash. If they had no compassion they wouldn't even take the time to post. No one here thinks that a person committing suicide is just a write off but... when someone that was in direct contact with the person that committed the suicide blames a social interaction that could be completely controlled then those of us that also enjoy that same social interaction are going to take up arms in defense. His mother blames EQ... we play EQ... it just goes to reason that deep down inside of us we feel like she is blaming US for her son's horrific death. I don't know what server he played on and frankly it doesn't matter. WE, as in the EQ community, did not kill that person. He did. I am personally tired of hearing of all the people that refuse to take responsibility for their children and loved ones. What was his mother doing instead of paying attention to him? I'm not saying the whole thing is her fault but I am damn well saying it is NOT EQ's fault and it is not my fault and the way it seems that 48 Hours is portraying this you are either a vicitm or one of the predators which is just crap.

Just like the media did when they finally got wind of the poor sods that killed themselves because their favorite D&D character died so they have done this with EQ and there were quite a few more that took their own life "because" of D&D. Humanity seems to be all about making excuses when bad things happen that we do or think we should feel guilty about, and I can pretty much guarantee that his mother is feeling guilty about not "catching the signs and "being there for him in his times of need" so it is just natural for her to point the finger anywhere but in the mirror even if it is wrong.

We mourn the loss of a fellow player (read as community member) no matter what the reason or how screwed up we thought they were as a person in the community and we always will.

The morale of this story, if there is one: If you think your loved ones need help then dammit all get it for them even it pisses them off. But do not try and pawn your family's problems off on someone else and do not expect a bunch of anonymous toons either on your TV or on your computer monitor to teach your kids/family their ethics or provide them with the love and nurturing and support you don't think you have time to give them right now and then ***** about it when they don't turn into the model family member/citizen you wanted them to be.
response to 48 hrs.
# Oct 24 2002 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
A very well thought out and written response to the 48 Hrs. piece. I am impressed.
Interesting EQ Addiction Study
# Oct 24 2002 at 9:43 AM Rating: Default
There's a psychologist who's been doing survey research on MMORPG players for a while. These two links focus specifically on EQ Addiction. I think they are very interesting and well-written:

http://www.nickyee.com/hub/addiction/home.html
http://www.nickyee.com/eqt/skinner.html
RE: Interesting EQ Addiction Study
# Oct 24 2002 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
I still do not agree with the term "addiction" being applied to the play of a game. I agree however, with learned behaviors and Mr. Yee's translation of Skinnerian Philosophy as it applies to learned behaviors in regard to gameplay in your second url that was listed.

My feeling is still that the term addiction is not being applied correctly in regard to Everquest. Mr. Yee listed some excerpts for example, to illustrate his use of the term "addiction", of which I had my own replies:

- There are other well-recognized non-physical addictions such as gambling or shopping. (pg. 70)

A compulsion to gamble or shop is becomes addictive when these behaviors affect not only the person’s ability to financially take care of themselves, but also lead to consumption of drugs or alchohol, due to their dependency surrounding their behavior.

- Many people with addictions routinely switch between physical substances of different pharmacological type (ie. alcohol and cocaine).
If the physical dependence on a particular substance were central to the addiction, then switching between drugs that cannot substitute for each other would is impossible. (pg. 71)

To date, I have not known of any Everquest players who have stopped playing Everquest so that they could satisfy a drug habit. Do you have documentation to substantiate your reasoning for the inclusion of this statement?

- There are people with addictions who only use one drug but never get physically addicted to it. This happens in people who binge drink. The binge drinking doesn't have time to create tolerance and physical dependence, but the episodes are very self-destructive. (pg. 71)

This statement is referring to substance abuse. The question is whether playing Everquest is self-destructive. Is your opinion that playing a computer game such as Everquest self-destructive?

- There are individuals who addictively use drugs incapable of producing physical addiction, such as LSD or marijuana. (pg. 72)

Research has shown that drugs such as LSD or marijuana were linked to short-term memory loss. There has never been any definitive research accomplished in regard to users of LSD or marijuana, except for research that was accomplished in the early 1970s at the University of Michigan. Those studies found in fact, that any drug used as a recreational form of entertainment, eventually became part of a habit, due to the user’s perceived need to “escape from reality”.

- Relapses after detoxification are frequent. If physical addiction were the real problem, then the addiction should be "cured" after detoxification. This is not the case. (pg. 72)

Once a behavior has become a learned ritual, it is evident how an addict would have difficulty ending a pattern of behavior. As in animals, ritual is the foundation of habit, therefore, it is the habitual action which must then be curtailed. Look to the environment, then curtail the affliction.



- Historical cases of war veterans in Vietnam who were addicted to heroine but had a 95% remission rate when returning to the US. This remission rate is unheard of with narcotic addicts treated in the US. This case demonstrates that there is something else at work apart from the physical nature of addiction. (pg. 73)

As I had stated above, the environment of stress, which the Vietnam veteran faced was a direct indication of their need for use. Consider our fight or flight reflex – since the veteran under fire was under constant fear of dying, the environment was conducive for their need to temporarily escape the fear they were feeling by inducing a state of euphoria. The heroin provided such an escape for them, often masking not only the fear, but the pain of their loss, when losing a comrade under fire.

#Anonymous, Posted: Oct 24 2002 at 4:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) EQ is dying, why would they even rip on it.
RE: End
# Oct 25 2002 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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60 posts
Your statement "EQ is dying, why would they even rip on it" is just as unreal as the CBS report.
You have taken your personal "story" and didn't look at fact at all. Yes, people leave and join everyday, but the number that join vs. those that leave... I will let you do the research since you need to anyway.
"The fact that people were "addicted" to the game was a sad matter" First you obviously didn't read what was written before. The word addiction, as has been said before, is misused as is normal for the media to do. The sad part is people like you actually believe that they are addicted to it vs. choosing the way they want to spend there free time. When you say "fact" you are stating that it is truth. You either have been brainwashed into believing that you do not control your life and everything else around you controls it for you or you have no grasp of what "fact" means. I think you need to take a moment to realize that a fact is only a fact if it equals truth every time. Since it is based on humans choosing how they react to different situations it can not be "fact."

Now you have mentioned some other good games. So what are you trying to do? Pursued people to play the game you think is best? Or do you just need a moment to vent over some of the different parts to a game? If you had any idea how a game is balanced so it is fun to play you would not complain. Sony has done an amazing job of making a game fun. Yes, the game may take more of your time then other games, but its not like you have to be level 60 in 10 days. Heck I have been playing for quite some time. I play maybe an hour or two a day unless I am on a raid with my guildies. Then I play maybe 3-6 days a week. Let’s do some quick addition… At least, I play about 3hrs. At most, I play 20hrs per week. (The extra hours came from possible guild raids.) So it may take me a few months to hit 60 big deal. If you are one that has to have everything and have it now; then you have much to learn.
"Finally to Close, Sony is over putting their work load, three games to come out within the next three or four years, all of which will be held back by years..."
How would you even know if it would take them that long? I don't see you understanding Team work very well. If 5 people code on an engine that they are very familiar with how long would it take them to code all the items? Let’s go with a rough estimate of 700,000 Items. Ok it takes me about 2 hours per item. (Including graphics) Now I am a fairly newbie coder. These people are Pros, and most the time someone else does the graphic as well. So I would say 10mins or so per item multiply that by 5 then divide that into 700,000. What do you get? I got 14,000mins. So lets turn that into hours divide it by 60. What is your answer? 233.3E ok now that we have the hours lets see how many days it would take going on an 8-hour day. What did you get? I got 29.17... So again you didn't obviously know what you were talking about when you mentioned how long it would take did you?
Sorry for going off, but people who don’t think before they post really irritate me. Why waste our time with your lack of knowledge?
RE: End
# Oct 24 2002 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
Please inform the world why you bothered to post that drivel on this editorial. If you don't like EQ, move on. Do you goto baseball games and complain about how you should be at a basketball game?

Grow up and move on.

I bet you heckle horror movies and scream "don't open that door."
RE: End
# Oct 27 2002 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
I always say that when one of my friends gets me a ticket for a baseball game.
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