My Response to 48 Hours

Last Friday, the CBS News Magazine 48 Hours broadcast a story about Everquest as part of a show about addiction. This broadcast showed such a serious lack of journalistic integrity and left so many questions unanswered that I feel compelled to respond. Clearly, in this case true journalism was set aside, and CBS instead came up with what they thought was a juicy premise and then manufactured the facts to fit, purposefully ignoring the multitude of other facts that repudiated their predetermined storyline. In doing so, they insulted and belittled the hundreds of thousands of us who play and enjoy online games and have no difficulty integrating our hobby into our regular daily lives. (I’m including the DAoC site in this editorial because there is no doubt that had they focused on that game, their premise would have remained the same). The title of their show was “Addiction”, so let me start with the word itself. All too often our media adopts a viable scientific or medical term and warps it far beyond its original meaning to the point where the term loses all actual meaning. Addiction is one of those terms. I am sorry, but Everquest is not addictive. Neither is eating, working, having sex, or any of the myriad other activities our press loves to call addictive. To call Everquest addictive is an insult to the many people out there who are struggling to overcome the many serious and valid debilitating addictions in our world. An addictive substance is something you need, not want, and no matter how you look at it, nobody needs to play Everquest. Playing Everquest is definitely a lot of fun, and some may prefer playing it to doing any of the other activities life may offer, even to the point of ignoring things society deems important. This is not an addiction, but rather a lack of self control. A man sweating with the anguish of withdrawal from his normal dose of heroin is addicted and in need to help to kick his habit. His body needs that heroin. A man who plays Everquest to the point where he ignores his family, job and life is simply out of control. He may want to keep playing the game, but he does not need it. There is a difference. CBS’s premise that this is some sort of evil game that sucks the mind out of its players and causes them to lose control of their lives is simply ridiculous. If someone loses control of his life, it is likely that he would have found some other way to do it even if he did not find Everquest. It makes for a juicy headline, but really is tabloid journalism at its worst. Even more tabloid journalism was the presentation itself. Is there any doubt that 48 Hours interviewed hundreds of people and kept rejecting person after person for being too normal or because the game did not have any negative impact on their lives before picking their eventual subjects? Even the player they eventually did decide to film hardly supported their premise, although they used every trick in their book to make it seem that he did. It’s obvious they had no intention of presenting an unbiased article and routinely rejected anything that contradicted the story they wanted to make. They instead wanted to shock the viewer and make him believe that there are hundreds of thousands of mentally unstable gaming addicts playing this online video game who are probably just steps away from killing themselves and who knows how many others. Obviously the CBS motto is to never let the facts get in the way of a good story. The player they finally chose to interview was a doctor who played Everquest about 20 hours a week. He seemed to be a fairly normal person with a normal family life. They obviously chose him because his wife complained that she wished that he spent less time playing Everquest and more time with his family. The implication was clear that this was an otherwise good and normal man hopelessly corrupted by this evil game. Funny, but I saw something else. Here is a man who manages to hold down a high pressure job, is a loving husband, properly raises his children and provides for his family. Yet CBS wants to excoriate him for stealing 20 hours a week of private time for himself, because he does it playing a video game and, quite frankly, they think that’s weird. They showed him sitting there fighting something in the game and then zoomed in to the reporter so that she could arch her eyebrows and look properly horrified that anyone would be silly enough to waste his time on something like that. “Look”, she said, “he even has trouble looking away from the screen when I’m talking to him”. Oh if only he hadn’t met this evil game, he would surely be the perfect husband and father. Let me add something up here. CBS sports is a very profitable part of their network. Watching two Sunday NFL games takes a good 7 hours. A single college game on Saturday is another 3 ½ hours and there are games on all day long. Add in a couple baseball, basketball or hockey games during the week and you can easily add up to 20 hours watching sports on TV for just your average sports fan. A dedicated sports fan would of course go much higher than that. I’m guessing if that was his hobby, 48 Hours would have never come knocking at his door. “Man ignores family to watch football” does not make as tantalizing a headline as “Man becomes addicted to evil video game”. I don’t see CBS urging their sports division to put a warning label at the bottom of every football game warning that watching sports can be addictive and cause you to spend time away from your family. His wife should be glad he is not going out to the bars every night with his friends like many other men and women and that he instead found a way to blow off steam that keeps him at home and available when she needs him and that comes at a relatively small cost. She was never asked, but would any of us be surprised to find out that the wife who is complaining so much about her husband’s game playing spends far more than 20 hours a week watching television or shopping. I would think just about anyone spends at least 20 hours a week on personal projects and hobbies. Playing golf, sports, television, reading, and shopping are a few obvious examples of activities people spend long hours at, but there are plenty of others. Of course that wouldn’t fit into CBS’s concept for the show, so those facts simply got ignored. Besides, they want to make him look weird, not normal, and pointing that out would simply remind people that this isn’t really all that odd after all. He’s playing a video game, so there must be something wrong with him. This is after all a tabloid and not a real news show. 48 Hours also interviewed Ben Stein about his son’s Everquest playing. I guess this was to show that even pseudo-celebrities like him are not immune to this scourge. (If they wanted to interview a celebrity, why not a real one who actually plays Everquest like Curt Schilling? – Oh yeah, Curt would have told them they were full of it and blown a hole in their whole false and demeaning premise). Am I the only one struck by Mr. Stein’s method of stopping his son from playing EQ? He sent him off to a boarding school where, according to Mr. Stein, they did not allow games like that to be played. After a stint of time away from Everquest, and not coincidentally away from his parents, he was suddenly cured. (and I’m glad we were spared the manufactured scenes of his son lying in bed at the boarding house, body shaking and sweating profusely, and mewing pitifully about “just one more orc, please just one more”). Well, Ben, why didn’t you just not allow those games at your house? If your son is playing video games to what you consider an excess, maybe you should just put your foot down and pull the plug on his computer. If he instead spent his time downloading online porn, would you have let him do that for a while until you finally threw up your hands and sent him off to a porn-free school somewhere? Who is the problem here? The teenager who plays a game to excess, or for that matter does anything to excess, or the parent who allows it? Sorry Ben, but don’t blame the manufacturer of a game for your bad parenting. Finally, there is poor Mrs. Woolley. It must be terrible to lose a son, and we all feel sympathy for her. But eventually she is going to have to face up to the fact that Everquest did not have anything to do with it. Shawn was a troubled and mentally disturbed child and had been so for all of his life. Something was bound to set him off eventually. Maybe it was indeed something that happened to him in the game. Everquest is after all populated with real people, and the inability to interact with people seemed to be at the root of his mental illness. It really could have been just about anything that brought about his suicide. The unfortunate fact in life is that sometimes bad things happen and there’s not much we can do about it. Blaming Everquest for her son’s death probably makes Mrs. Woolley feel better and gives her an outlet for her grief, and you know what? I really have no problem with that. Let her deal with her grief in whatever manner she wishes. What is wrong is for a news outlet like CBS to exploit her grief for the sake of their ratings. And make no mistake that this is pure exploitation on their part. “Satanic Video game convinces man to commit suicide” was just too good a headline for them to resist. The tabloid journalists who make up the 48 Hours staff must have truly started salivating when they thought that one up. So they hauled their cameras into that poor woman’s living room and helped feed her delusion so that they could broadcast it to the rest of the world and sell a lot of commercials. Frankly, this part makes me sicker than any other part of their story. Manufacturing facts to make up a false story you hope will bring big ratings makes you a poor journalist, but exploiting a mother’s suffering and grief from the death of her son for those ratings makes you a poor human being. The journalists who made their trek to the Woolley residence to get their juicy video game murder story were simply parasites feeding on that poor woman’s grief and delusions. I’d like to think that Susan Spencer, the journalist who did this story, has a little more trouble sleeping a night because of her actions, but unfortunately I doubt it bothers her in the least. It is sad to see that the network of the great Walter Cronkite has sunk to such depths. I had always thought journalism was about facts first and story second. Yet CBS managed to do an entire story on the supposedly addictive and evil nature of this game without displaying a single fact to prove it and by ignoring the many facts that disprove it. In the end they made fun of something they know nothing about, exploited something that should be pitied instead, and succeeded in nothing more than insulting the hundreds of thousands of people who consider playing Everquest and other video games a normal, healthy and enjoyable part of their lives. For what it’s worth, they also lost my respect and viewer ship. If you wish to contact CBS about this show, here is the contact information: 48 Hours 524 West 57th St. New York, NY 10019 E-MAIL: 48hours@cbsnews.com. PHONE: (212) 975-3247
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My Humble Opinion
# Dec 06 2002 at 5:34 AM Rating: Default
Hmmm having caught this program over here in England I was quite amused by the whole thing. As stated by the author here, and quite rightly so, the program was biased, alarmist and a waste of time.

Mrs Wooley should perhaps re-examine her upbringing of Shawn when looking at the reasons for his suicide, as environment has a considerable impact on who we are and what we become.

Finally however I did find amusing the quote within the article 'I had always thought journalism was about facts first and story second' and can only advise the author of this article to also try and reconnect with reality, and as we say in dear ol' England 'Wake up and smell the coffee'.

RE: My Humble Opinion
# Dec 30 2002 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default
i play a level 25 shadow knight on fennin ro and really enjoy playing a lot, am i addicted...heh no im addicted to cigarettes but anyway. i play 12a.m. to 4a.m. why, cause that my schedule i work 3:30 pm to 11:30 pm and if CBS is so worried about people like me who spend a lot of time playing online games look around....at midnight there not a whole lot open but strip clubs and bars...hey i guess i could go drink and drive but i dont drink and never got drunk offa pepsi before. If there all really worried about people like me that do play a lot maybe they should petition and press for every thing with operating hours to be open 24 hours a day. Until then eq is all i really got to do to kickback and relax after a long day of work.

Vinnayeny Vloshanaal
25 Shadow Knight
House Dark Covenant
RE: My Humble Opinion
# Dec 11 2002 at 2:55 PM Rating: Default
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and can only advise the author of this article to also try and reconnect with reality, and as we say in dear ol' England 'Wake up and smell the coffee'.

Try clicking on Allakhazam's name and you tell him to "wake up and smell the coffee." As you say in ol'England.
Sorry can't respond I am playing
# Dec 03 2002 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
I'd love to spend time reading all of these posts but I am too busy lvling.

Are journalists addicted to bad news? I wonder how long it will be before we see a story about a journo who has been so exposed to bad news every day for a lifetime that it has affected their ability to get a proper view on life. Oh yeh - sorry, forgot, thats what they do every day :-)
I enjoy my EQ time
# Nov 24 2002 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
I've enjoyed my time playing this game, as much as I enjoy my persuits in work and such. I really hate watching TV, and I've read books for a while, so the game is fun. I like interacting with cool people and I have RL friends here that I chat with. I like creating the story, as opposed to being fed a story like a movie would do. I also enjoy the challenge and like seeing my character gradually get better and better. I did walk away from EQ for nearly a year. It didn't fit into my schedual. I don't understand all this addiction talk. If EQ wasn't a good time, I'd fine something else that was fun. Be it NWN, or Balder's Gate. And even thought these games are a blast, its the human interaction and hanging out with friends that makes EQ so damn awesome. That, and the fact people can't cheat.

Just my thoughts.
What Is Addiction, really?
# Nov 21 2002 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
After much time spent reading all these posts, I would like to share my thoughts on the subject. I would also ask that you please just think about what is written here, even if you do not agree with it.

(The following is merely an opinion. No more and no less than the other opinions which are written upon this page. However, truth be told, some opinions are closer to the actual facts than most of us would like to admit.)

An addiction (The item one is addicted to, weather it be a game, drug, or even something positive. Such as "life", or even, for all you who know you do it too much, ************* Smiley: blush) Is one way the "mind" protects itself from other deeper emotional issues "you" (the "mind") are otherwise unable or unwilling to cope with. When the (conscious) "mind" is occupied by such "addictions", one tends to "forget" about the root of the problem. While the (conscious) "mind" is distracted by the said "addictions", the (unconscious) "mind" has in no way forgotten about the issue and so in your (unconscious) "mind" it becomes shut away.

As the old saying goes "out of sight, out of mind", right? No, unfortunately this is no the case. Inside your head the underlying issue sits and rots. Just like a physical, festering, wound left untreated. Where a physical wound could eventually cause you to become quite ill if left untreated, the wound I speak of is one much more serious. If the underlying issue is serious enough, (Repressed feelings of rejection, anger, loneliness, are a few examples.) this wound can cause pain unlike anything physical could even hope to attain. Producing feelings of worthlessness, hopelessness, and even wishing oneself dead.

After the root has festered for a time, take away the "comforting cushion" of "addiction" and what are you left with? I cannot answer this question. For the answer to this question, which you already know, you are going to have to ask yourself. There is no point to answering falsely, for the only one you are lying to is yourself. The starting point in any matter such as this, no matter how trivial is: "To thy own self, be true."

So please, can we as human beings, just stop pointing fingers long enough to take a look at the root of the problem before it gets out of hand again?


Edited, Fri Nov 22 02:32:59 2002
so it may be addictive
# Nov 19 2002 at 8:54 AM Rating: Excellent
Ok, I have read all the post, emotional additions can be as hard to break as pysical ones. I play EQ probly 12 to 18 hours a day, I would do other things if I could, I have some major health problems that prevent that. EQ helps me forget the pain and gives my mind some thing to do. I may be addicted, but there are worse things in life than playing games on the computer all day. Playing EQ does not make me harder to live with or cost the rent money to play. It does not take me away from my family any more than my health problems do any way. For me it is a way to stay concected to others.
I don't agree with "Addiction"
# Nov 17 2002 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
I still do not agree with the term "addiction" being applied to the play of a game. I agree however, with learned behaviors and the translation of Skinnerian Philosophy as it applies to learned behaviors in regard to gameplay in your second url that was listed.

My feeling is still that the term addiction is not being applied correctly in regard to Everquest. I have my own replies:

- There are other well-recognized non-physical addictions such as gambling or shopping. (pg. 70)

A compulsion to gamble or shop is becomes addictive when these behaviors affect not only the person’s ability to financially take care of themselves, but also lead to consumption of drugs or alchohol, due to their dependency surrounding their behavior.

- Many people with addictions routinely switch between physical substances of different pharmacological type (ie. alcohol and cocaine).
If the physical dependence on a particular substance were central to the addiction, then switching between drugs that cannot substitute for each other would is impossible. (pg. 71)

To date, I have not known of any Everquest players who have stopped playing Everquest so that they could satisfy a drug habit. Do you have documentation to substantiate your reasoning for the inclusion of this statement?

- There are people with addictions who only use one drug but never get physically addicted to it. This happens in people who binge drink. The binge drinking doesn't have time to create tolerance and physical dependence, but the episodes are very self-destructive. (pg. 71)

This statement is referring to substance abuse. The question is whether playing Everquest is self-destructive. Is your opinion that playing a computer game such as Everquest self-destructive?

- There are individuals who addictively use drugs incapable of producing physical addiction, such as LSD or marijuana. (pg. 72)

Research has shown that drugs such as LSD or marijuana were linked to short-term memory loss. There has never been any definitive research accomplished in regard to users of LSD or marijuana, except for research that was accomplished in the early 1970s at the University of Michigan. Those studies found in fact, that any drug used as a recreational form of entertainment, eventually became part of a habit, due to the user’s perceived need to “escape from reality”.

- Relapses after detoxification are frequent. If physical addiction were the real problem, then the addiction should be "cured" after detoxification. This is not the case. (pg. 72)

Once a behavior has become a learned ritual, it is evident how an addict would have difficulty ending a pattern of behavior. As in animals, ritual is the foundation of habit, therefore, it is the habitual action which must then be curtailed. Look to the environment, then curtail the affliction.

- Historical cases of war veterans in Vietnam who were addicted to heroine but had a 95% remission rate when returning to the US. This remission rate is unheard of with narcotic addicts treated in the US. This case demonstrates that there is something else at work apart from the physical nature of addiction. (pg. 73)

The environment of stress, which the Vietnam veteran faced was a direct indication of their need for use. Their use of mind-altering drugs is not an excuse to condone what they did to themselves, but when looking at the feeling of danger that many of them faced, as well as the hardships that any war brings, it is not unusual that they would have come to such an extreme to survive firefights that could at times occur with frightening regularity. Consider our fight or flight reflex – since the veteran under fire was under constant fear of dying, the environment was conducive for their need to temporarily escape the fear they were feeling by inducing a state of euphoria. The heroin provided such an escape for them, often masking not only the fear, but the pain of their loss, when losing a comrade under fire.

However, the game player is not under the kind of extreme stresses that I have described, which lead to a addictive behaviors. I personally feel that many of you who state that the game is addictive, have no comprehension whatsoever what an addiction is. Again, I state many of you -- there are some recovering addicts that I know who will disagree with me -- of course, they are also people who disagree with anything, it is part of their personality makeup of denial.

Simply put, those of you who have been using the timer now included in the game, can see that if you abide by the rules you set for yourself, you can play responsibly. If you choose not to abide by the rules you set for yourself, it is a problem within you. You need a certain amount of self-control, which I am finding is seriously lacking in our mainstream culture today. Many of our children are raised on television, personal game machines, and computer games. That's all they know. I didn't come from this era. It was more uptight I guess, but I learned the value of restraint. I was raised in the 60s, my teen years were in the 70s. Television was a new medium, and playing outside was the ticket. I grew up playing pool, tennis, ski, football, basketball, badminton, croquet, hiking, camping, hockey, baseball, and table tennis. I also grew up in Japan, and was enrolled in judo, kendo, and Karate, because my father didn't want me to be a sissy. But, those schools of learning helped me understand the importance of self-control and self-discipline.

Look, if you think you're "addicted", go to a place where you can learn some self-discipline, and self-control. Stop giving yourself some lame excuse to say that a game has control over you. That's just a load of crap. And if you're suffering from low self-esteem, and you don't want to invest the time in yourself, then ask your doctor to prescribe Prozac to you, maybe that will help you with your stress. Calling a game "addictive" is so full of crap. Get a life.
The Sony Guy
# Nov 09 2002 at 10:34 AM Rating: Default
I just wanted to add something that I don't think the other posts touched on, unless I missed it.

The Sony Exec on the 48 Hrs story was pathetic!

Now I realize that what the people at 48 Hrs do is take the entire interview and pick out a few snipets that they want. On the other hand this guy was a company executive and this was a national television forum. He should have been spending days preparing with lawyers, speaking coaches, hell even Dr. Phil if thats what it took.

For every question asked, this guy should have had a complete, well delivered answer. That way no matter what snippets the 48 Hrs clowns decide to pull out, the argumants that need to be made get out there.

Bottom line is the stakes for Sony here were large, and this interview was the one chance they had to insert their side into the story, and they blew it.
RE: The Sony Guy
# Jan 05 2003 at 5:26 AM Rating: Default
Actually it wouldn't really matter what sony did for that interview. They knew that the editors would find a way to slander whatever was said. There would be NO POINT to have lawers prepared seeing as no judge in the world is going to side with the mother in the lawsuit if it were ever to take place. Just because he happened to be in front of the computer screen when he did the un-thinkable, it doesn't mean it was the game that caused him to do it. If that were true everyone that commit suicide in front of a television was doing it because of the particular show on at that moment. Everyone that jumped out of a window, well they did it because they saw somthing out that window that dis-pleased them. The whole idea is rather silly when you take into account what she is really saying, that becuase EQ happened to be on the screen, that HAD to be the ONE thing that sent him over the edge. I just refuse to believe that anyone (no matter what state of mind)would do such a thing over an occurance in a fake world, and even if there are such people, the persons responsible for them should know what is going on.
#Anonymous, Posted: Nov 09 2002 at 10:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I just wanted to add something that I don't think the other posts touched on, unless I missed it.
Addictive?
# Nov 07 2002 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
Well for the most part there have been some excellent and thoughtful responses to this issue.

While I do think that CBS's coverage was poor at best I do believe that they were right in that this genre of videogames can be addictive. Of course while we are at it I know many people who I would say are addicted in the same manner to 1st person shooters, Logic Games (i.e. Tetris), and every other genre of game out there. Hell I know some people that are addicted to board games.

However, just because someone is addicted to something they enjoy, which for the most part we are all guilty of, does not mean that what they enjoy is evil and likely to cause their life to fall apart.

Did CBS in the same story also mention how many people make a good chunk of change selling "items/accounts" for any of these games? Not likely, because that would make this game seem less evil in some ways. I know a couple of friends who have managed over the last year to make over 15,000 in these roleplaying games. This is in addition to their normal job. Did CBS mention that these games can actually bring people from different parts of the world together? No. Did they mention that friendships of sorts can be formed via this game? No. Did they bother to mention that the suicide rate caused by this game is likely lower than just about any other "addiction" i could mention? No.

Is CBS in this case guilty of Sensationalism? Oh yes quite guilty. Is CBS correct about the game being addictive? Yes I would have to assume so, since I have some serious experience with this genre of games. Do i personally find their story legitimate? no, it's pretty much crap from the start.

Oh well, i guess i play evil games.

Peace
Outrage
# Nov 07 2002 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
Addiction? Most of the people that lable things such as video games as and addiction fail to realize that IT'S JUST A GAME. Come on! Think about it? Sorry for loss of you son MRS. Woolley, I'm sure that it was hard on you and your family over your loss. But you have to realize that everyone has to make a choice in life. You have to live your life and take care of your responsibilities. I'm 21 and I'm in the ARMY. I play EQ as often as I can, the thing that I realize that 530 am I have to get up out of bed and serve my Country. I'm sorry but saying a Video game is an addiction, that's an outrage!

Just because you spend more time doing one thing you enjoy than you do anything else does'nt mean you are addicted to it. Its what you enjoy doing.

How about that person that sits in a quite place and do nothing but read? Is that an addiction? That's all they ever do just read read read.

How about the person that sits there an builds Model trains, or cars all the time.

The Person that sits there and paints all day.

I guess you are telling me that Mozart was addicted to writing music? It was something in life that he had a talent for and he did it very well.

Come on CBS you really need to watch what you are trying to say. Next thier going to tell us that all soldiers are nothing but war junkies. But in fact it's what we are trained to do. It's our job to protect the rights for them to say these things about what they call "Addiction".

Sorry to say if a few people in the world make a bad choice does not have label all of the others that can.

You Media People need to realize what you are saying and put thing into the right context.

Addiction furthermore is something that you cannot walk away fromw without serious help. I spend months away from Electricity let alone a computer game.
Does anyone remember him ?
# Nov 07 2002 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
With all the people who saw the show, read the article,and so forth , does anyone actualy remember shawn's character? I believe his mothersaid the charaers name was ilioveyou or sum such name. Surely someone who played with him has heard about all the uproar.Just curious. could be in interesting insight
Does anyone remember him ?
# Nov 07 2002 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
sorry
# Nov 06 2002 at 7:49 PM Rating: Default
The farce sorry but you a moron. Who the hell takes their cats for a walk?
RE: sorry
# Jan 29 2003 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
You are an *** for calling him a moron for walking a cat. I know plenty of cat lovers out there that take their cats for walks. Hell I had a lizard I used to take for walks in the summer heat. (And yes there are special Reptile harnesses for this purpose)
RE: sorry
# Dec 11 2002 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
43 posts
I do thank you very much and is a perfictly acceptiable pastime :)
Gotta love it:)))
# Nov 06 2002 at 4:26 PM Rating: Default
Alll good post all but gotaa go play EQ:))peace
EQ Addiction -- The Farce
# Nov 06 2002 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
For those of you who insist that you are addicted to EQ, I say: GET HELP. I cannot believe that anyone could allow themselves to become so wrapped up in a game, that they would feel they are addicted. I think your use of the term is TOTALLY inaccurate, and that you need to get outside more. I've been playing EQ for about a year now, and I get up and walk away from it every day that I play. If you feel you are so hooked on the game, and feel that you need someone to tell you what to do, then I have compiled a list of activities you can do to get back into life:

1. Go out for a walk in your local park.
2. Go on a camping trip.
3. Take your dog for a walk.
4. Take your cat for a walk.
5. Take your kids for a walk.
6. Take yourself for a walk.
7. Run, very fast.
8. Go to a playground, and swing on a swing.
9. Grab your significant other, and go out to dinner.
10. Grab your significant other, and just go out -- anywhere.
11. Begin a journal of your adventures in EQ.
12. Use Allakhazam to record a journal of your adventures in EQ.
13. Step out on the porch for no less than 5 minutes while playing EQ. Remember, you can always go afk.
14. Once you have become accustomed to stepping out on your porch while afk on EQ, start walking to the store for cigarettes. (If you're going to bore yourself to death, you might as well speed up the process.)
15. Now that you are regularly walking out to the store to get stuff, start extending your walks a little more.
16. Start limiting your playtime to 5 hours, then 4, then 3, then 2, then 1 to eventually stop playing so much.
17. If you have a level 65 toon up in your account, you have no need to stay on for long periods of time. Take a break -- you've earned it, right? Go away for a while. Get your life back.
18. Do some volunteer work if you're bored at home -- feed the homeless for a while, and see just how more fortunate you are to be living in a home than others are.
19. Let some homeless people camp in your home and play EQ for a while. They'll play so much that you'll quit, I guarantee it.
20. If you can't quit playing EQ long enough to enjoy what life has to offer, then you need to look at yourself and figure out what EQ is replacing. If you know what EQ is replacing, then try skydiving, there's nothing like jumping out of a perfectly good airplane to bring you back down to earth. And if you're just not the skydiving type, then try bungie-jumping. Just one look at the sudden rush of earth to your face, as you're taking a swan dive into the ground is enough to wake anyone up.

So, there are my suggestions. Again, if you ARE CONVINCED that you are addicted to EQ, either get some help, snap out of your whiney attitude, or at least take a moment to stop, look around you, and see what you're missing.
#Anonymous, Posted: Nov 06 2002 at 9:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The majority of you are in denial. A symptom of addiction. Biased or not, EQ is addictive. I've experienced this, and not one of the players I know or have known are free from EQ addiction.
RE: EQ
# Nov 19 2002 at 2:30 PM Rating: Default
Ok.... I have a great idea. Since we KNOW we are all addicted.. lets all just quit the game. As a matter of fact, lets all just quit anything remotely resembling entertainment. We can all wake up in the morning, eat bland oat meal, go to work, come home, eat dinner and go to bed. No hobbies, sports, entertainments of any type. As a matter of fact simply by being on this site and finding the thread shows we are spending too much time on the net. We need to get rid of the time we spend on the net too......

Are these folks for real? Enjoying a non-destructive hobby be it Roleplaying games or sports or whatever is not wrong. Saying that we are ALL in denial about being addicted to it is however. It's life. And as someone else posted earlier.... there are worse things
RE: EQ
# Nov 07 2002 at 5:25 AM Rating: Good
WRAHAHAHHAHAHHA

Oh my ... let's apply that brilliant logic to something else:

You are addicted to ... say ... chat forums! You say that you are not? Well .. then you are in denial ... that means that you are even more addicte.

What happens if I go cold turkey on DAoC? Well, last week I visited my grand parents for 3 days. <SARCASM> And well ... with my MASSIVE DAoC addiction one would expect me to spend the three days on the floor trembling and sweating. But for some strange reason I found myself perfectly capable of eating my grandmothers food and playing cards with my aunt and uncle. They hardly even noticed that they had a hard core DAoC junkie in the house. </SARCASM>

To all the jerks that think they are addicted to EQ: STOP WHINING. Try doing something that is REALLY addictive (like smoking or doing drugs) and kick the habit. Then you might realise what addiction really is.

Bjargulf <De Gale Trolde Fra Nord>
DAoC server Bors
RE: EQ
# Nov 07 2002 at 5:25 AM Rating: Default
WRAHAHAHHAHAHHA

Oh my ... let's apply that brilliant logic to something else:

You are addicted to ... say ... chat forums! You say that you are not? Well .. then you are in denial ... that means that you are even more addicte.

What happens if I go cold turkey on DAoC? Well, last week I visited my grand parents for 3 days. <SARCASM> And well ... with my MASSIVE DAoC addiction one would expect me to spend the three days on the floor trembling and sweating. But for some strange reason I found myself perfectly capable of eating my grandmothers food and playing cards with my aunt and uncle. They hardly even noticed that they had a hard core DAoC junkie in the house. </SARCASM>

To all the jerks that think they are addicted to EQ: STOP WHINING. Try doing something that is REALLY addictive (like smoking or doing drugs) and kick the habit. Then you might realise what addiction really is.

Bjargulf <De Gale Trolde Fra Nord>
DAoC server Bors
Addiction
# Nov 05 2002 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
I just wanted to chime in on the "addiction" theme. There seems to be some debate as to wether EQ is "addicting" or not, and Allakhazam made the (convincing on the surface) argument that without physical symptoms, Everquest couldn't be labelled addictive.


There are actually two types of addiction. Chemical (which is your drug addiction) and pathological addiction (which those people who are gambling addictions can tell you about).

Pathological addition is real. It's not fake. And a lot of people suffer from it. Trying to say something isn't "addictive" because it lacks the chemical component is insulting to people who actually suffer from pathological addiction. It's also uninformed.

I understand why Allakhazam made the argument: you're trying to rebuttle the poor CBS, sensational journalism. But doing so by attempting to invalidate a legitimate form of addiction is wrong.

Everquest can be addictive to some people, just like gambling can be addictive to some people. Does that mean everyone who gambles is an addict, or will eventually become one? No. Thousands of people go through Las Vegas gambling tables every year and don't develop an addiction. Just like it means thousands of Everquest gamers will not become addicted to the game by playing it.

The young man who's death started this fire (Shawn Woolley) had psychological problems. Everquest was the likely catalyst for his death, but the reality is that any number of things could have happened to cause him to go over the edge. If Shawn would have gotten into gambling, drugs, or any of a myriad of different things, the outcome would likely have been the same (or worse). Let's face facts here: Shawn Woolley was a troubled human being, and sooner or later, something was going to cause this unfortunate end.


Anyway, I just felt like the whole truth wasn't getting discussed. We have a lot of passionate EQ players who don't want to see their hobby picked apart by the uneducated public who have been tainted by poor journalism. It's good to defend to the game we all love, but let's do it with the facts. Don't try and eliminate the facts because they don't support your argument. It only makes us, as a collective, look worse.

The fact is, EQ *can* be (operative word *can*) addictive for a very select few people. It can also be a lot of clean, safe fun for the vast majority. Instead of trying to say it can't be addictive (which is a lie and untrue) talk about the good things about the game: It keeps kids home, where their parents can monitor them. That, in turn, can keep them away from drugs, other bad kids, and can really puts a damper on spending money (hey, when I'm playing EQ I am not out spending cash on other stuff, what about you?)

EQ can be a positive form of entertainment. And for most people, it is. That's the message that needs to be conveyed here.

Shara
Rodcet Nife
shara_vampiress@hotmail.com

Addiction?
# Nov 02 2002 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
Some very interesting and well written posts.
I would like to share my opinions and experiences.
I am a recovering heroine addict. 10 years+ bangin tar and now 5 years clean. I am a fairly well respected member of my community and own a well established, successfull buisness. At no time during my addiction did I become emaciated,
greasy,thieving,gutter trash. In fact, untill I decided to try and kick, no one, not even my wife and family knew I was using. Well.. My supplier I guess.
My point is this, just because you are able to excess in some activities while maintaining the semblance of a "normal" life, does not mean there isnt a problem with it.
My guess is that the people who most vehemently argue the use of the term "addiction" are also the people who have the best idea of what I am eluding too.
While it is certainly true that heroine or other substance addiction is absolutely non beneficial for ANYONE. I would think it could also be said that any other form of obsessive or compulsive beahaviors would also not be great for anyones over all well being.
The point of "Choice" is also interesting to me. Sure, you have a choice to get up from the box and walk away from EQ. While walking away from substance addictions carries more physical consequences at some point a choice was made to start using it.
In closing, I ask you to ask yourself this question, Have I ever put off doing what I knew should be done, to play EQ.
I already know the answer and so do you.
PS..
I play on Brell and although I am taking a little break to catch up on the things I have been slacking off on, I will be back to playing WAAAAAY too much very soon.
Peace.
This is getting old.
# Nov 02 2002 at 5:18 AM Rating: Default
Much as I am sorry for the woman's loss, she's barking up the wrong tree here.

"Shawn struggled with learning disabilities and significant emotional problems."

Had to quote that. His addiction to EQ was a symptom of what was quoted. Not the cause. I'm not terribly familiar with CBS as a network, and the shows it airs. We don't even get BBC here unless we get cable :P But I was a student of journalism and from all angles I can see, this wasn't real reporting. This was the sharing of opinions.

"“He couldn’t stay off it. That’s how strong that game is. You can’t just get up and walk away,” she says. In the end, she says, the game became his life."

That was the mother's opinion, as stated on the CBS site. My opinion? Unless there were chains, ropes, cement boots on the guy, there wasn't a damn thing keeping him from getting up and walking away.

"Liz Woolley says that Everquest can be very dangerous. “If somebody shoots themselves in front of a computer screen of this game, they’re trying to say something,” she says. “You don’t go sit in front of a computer game and shoot yourself if it didn’t have something to do with the game.”"

Ok now I know emotion is overriding sense here. Yes, he was trying to say something. What he was trying to say, was more along the lines of 'I have a life, but it brings me no joy. The life I -chose-(important word here, he wasn't held at gunpoint to play the game) to lead in EQ, that used to bring me joy, has also ceased to have any meaning. Goodbye cruel real and virtual worlds.'

He could have chosen a myriad number of other things to find joy in. But because the eventual choice was EQ, a computer game, something viewed as 'for children and for those who need to grow up and take up an adult hobby like polo or shares speculation', the entire genre is being targetted by CBS, or their reporter anyways. Evil, satanic, melts your mind, saps your willpower, consumes your soul...

Getting echoes of the D&D uproar in the late 80s, was it the late 80s? Ah whatever, same old same old. If a polo player falls off his horse and gets trampled dead, does the sport end up being sued for being addictive to the point of death? Why not? Why pick on MMORPGs? I think it's the old social stigma. The very fact that the abbreviation includes 'G', which stands for Game, makes it somehow, beneath anything else that a human adult may choose to spend his or her free time doing.

Then when some 32 yr old, perfectly normal guy 'comes out of the closet' and admits he plays 'that thing only meant for kids', well gasp and goodness gracious me, how abnormal! Really, I'm sure heaps of others have gotten that response when telling someone they just met 'I play an online game' or even 'I play a computer game'. And how dare anyone place so much in something labled a game? So much so that if the life in that game falls through, so does everything else in that person's world.

If someone should be sued, I say sue those were claimed to be friends and family to this young man. As much as he was addicted to the game, they were addicted to not ramming his door down, addicted to not hauling his bum off that computer chair and into a counselor's office, addicted to not trying harder to show they cared. Because as sure as he wasn't being forced ar gunpoint to play the game, neither were they being forced at gunpoint -not- to do something more than trying to make phonecalls and ringing the freaking doorbell. Most of all, sue CBS for some damned lousy reporting they weren't forced to do.
addict
# Nov 01 2002 at 1:03 PM Rating: Default
I would to start out by saying I agree with everyone. I dont think EQ was to blame for Wooleys death. That kid had lots of other mental health issues. However, the game is addicting. I hear people write stuff like it not addicting, its obsessive. Uhh same thing folks. A person can be addicted to something non lethal.

Websters Dictionary:
ad·dict Pronunciation Key (-dkt)
tr.v. ad·dict·ed, ad·dict·ing, ad·dicts
1 - cause to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on a habit-forming substance: The thief was addicted to cocaine.
2 -To occupy (oneself) with or involve (oneself) in something habitually or compulsively: The child was addicted to video games.

Respectfully
48 hours is a joke
# Oct 31 2002 at 5:04 AM Rating: Default
Walter Cronkite was on the O'rielt Factor not too long ago. He (walter) has different views than the view he is paid to portray on 48 hours. SAD journalistic world!
RE: 48 hours is a joke
# Oct 31 2002 at 5:07 AM Rating: Default
O'Riely Factor on Fox at 8pm,11pm and 4am EST. Won't see spin there like you do on CBS.
Flawed Logic
# Oct 30 2002 at 2:24 PM Rating: Default
If I follow Ms. Wooley's Logic, then all of the people in the world that have committed suicide while thier TV was on in the same room, then TV must be the blame of the Suicide........

Yeah right......She just doesn't want to accept the fact that she couldn't fix the obvious mental problems her son had, so she's looking for someone to blame. No one other than Shawn himself is to blame, and they never are in this situation. Suicide is just that. You are choosing to end your life yourself, not someone else doing it for you. If that was the case, then it would be called murder.....

I do feel sorry for her, however, she needs to find another way to cope with her loss.

And as for CBS, that was one of the worst cases of Tabloid reporting I have ever seen in my life.
EQ > CBS
# Oct 30 2002 at 1:54 PM Rating: Default
I just love it when TV networks make asses out of themselves. Makes lots of people laugh. And I loooove to laugh :)
Obsession, not Addictive
# Oct 29 2002 at 6:57 PM Rating: Excellent
I would say that EQ can be obsessive, but not addictive.

As for the question of what would happen if EQ stopped operation...we would all go play some other game :)

The important thing is that no one I have talked to at work actually watched the show anyway. Those that did found it amusing that they grouped a game together with a sniper and drug addict. I think the best review was a coworker who said they must have needed filler.

Back in my high school days D&D was going to send me to hell or cause me to run around in the sewer killing people...didn't happen. Oh well, back to Qeynos catacombs and killing madmen...hmmm.
My letter to CBS
# Oct 29 2002 at 2:31 PM Rating: Default
I sent the following to CBS, please feel free to add your name and send it as well. BTW, does anyone have a sponsor list of the show. We should be contacting the sponsors. Hit them where it hurts!!
Kadianne Lailasse
41st Level, Druid of Tunare
Tarew Marr

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To Whom it May Concern,

I am writing to express my dismay over the lack of journalistic integrity shown in the 'Addiction' episode. It was my idea that journalists were supposed to give facts of all viewpoints, and allow their viewers/readers to form an opinion.

I watched and watched for facts about video game 'addictions'. I looked for statistics regarding the number of players addicted, the signs of addiction, the forms of rehab required to kick the addiction, the ratio of suicides to players, or even some randomly conducted polls questioning players of these games. I could find none.

I also looked for objective opinions from both sides. Again, I saw none. I only saw exploitation. Exploitation of people who clearly had other real-life issues, but also happened to play a video game. I saw the opinion of Ben Stein, a father who apparently cannot enforce rules in his own household, but instead prefers to blame a game for his lack of parenting skills. But did I see opinions from any who did not find the game addicting? No, sadly I did not.

I am disappointed in the judgment of CBS in airing this type of sensationalistic show. I am a faithful weekly watcher of 'King of Queens', 'Yes, Dear' and 'Everybody Loves Raymond'. They are my favorite sitcoms, topping even NBC's 'Friends'. I would hate to have to quit watching them. But if CBS continues to display a lack of integrity in their news journalism, I will have no choice but to show my displeasure by removing one viewer from your network, myself. I will also then contact sponsors and tell them of my displeasure.

Please rethink your programming. Or possibly, follow up this show with an unbiased version, less sensational, but more factual.

Thank you.
Shari Niemann
Atlanta, GA
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