I think the real point of this spell is to use to pull undead. It has a reasonable range, and does far more damage than a pally will ever do with an arrow, even if you have a mage along that can give you a magical arrow that will do any damage at all.
I use this as a pull, and when a mob turns to flee, it's also a nice way to get the mob down to that 10% health level where your Finishing Blow AA can kick in. I agree that using it during a fight is pointless, but it's a great way to start and finish a fight.
Spurn Undead
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45 posts
Ok, i dont want to defend this spell due to it being undeniably bad with a stupidly long recast and to make things funnier its linked to our last undead nuke so you cant use them together...however, i would like to point out that its spell casting time is actually 1.6 seconds not 3.2 due to the innate decrease in detrimental casting time we have. Still have no use for it and still fail to see a reason any pally would bother with any of the runes till 68 (apart from the stun you get first at 66)
Let me first just say that I do not believe that this expac was somehow anti-paladin. In fact, I believe this is one of the most balanced expacs ever (because of the fact that they just took old skills and multiplied em by a %.)
If you want to see people that truely got screwed, look at poor wizzies, who got total **** for spells except for a select few buffs and nukes.
But... this spell is absolutly worthless.
What this Spell looks like.
Description:
1: Decrease Hitpoints by 850
Mana: 312
Casting Time: 3.20
Recast Time: 20
What should This Spell Look like?
Description:
1: Decrease Hitpoints by 850
Mana: *Somewhere around 400 to 500
Casting Time: 1
Recast Time: 2
SOEs blunder for Paladin Nukes From PoP (Deny Undead) Should NOT have been carried over and continued. Who, for ANY purpose, in their right mind would EVER use this spell!? The cast time is so long that it cuts out a whole rounds worth of hits even with slow weapons! The RECAST TIME IS INSANE.
So why would Sony just put a continuence of a horrible spell? Who knows but they obviously don't know that this spell is 100% useless... and if they do then why put it in the game?
If you want to see people that truely got screwed, look at poor wizzies, who got total **** for spells except for a select few buffs and nukes.
But... this spell is absolutly worthless.
What this Spell looks like.
Description:
1: Decrease Hitpoints by 850
Mana: 312
Casting Time: 3.20
Recast Time: 20
What should This Spell Look like?
Description:
1: Decrease Hitpoints by 850
Mana: *Somewhere around 400 to 500
Casting Time: 1
Recast Time: 2
SOEs blunder for Paladin Nukes From PoP (Deny Undead) Should NOT have been carried over and continued. Who, for ANY purpose, in their right mind would EVER use this spell!? The cast time is so long that it cuts out a whole rounds worth of hits even with slow weapons! The RECAST TIME IS INSANE.
So why would Sony just put a continuence of a horrible spell? Who knows but they obviously don't know that this spell is 100% useless... and if they do then why put it in the game?
36 posts
Lets just say that it's not just this spell we got screwed on. There are some useful ones but in the whole we Pallies didn't come out the best
Level 66
Force of Piety makes Force of Akilae obsolete so there is essentially 1 less level 62 spell
Touch of Piety is pretty worthless. A 1550 heal at this level does not really help especially with the cast time
Direction is worthless as there is likely to be a cleric or druid to buff
Level 67
Surn Undead is a joke, even with SU1 you can hit undead for more
Silvered fury has a slight increase proc against undead, ok I guess
Symbol of Jeron's is only useful if buffed by a druid
Crusaders's Purity has its uses
Level 68
Pious Fury is ok although the increase in the proc is not much
Light of Piety has its use but probably used very rarely
Serene Command takes too long to cast and only useful if pushing a mob into a certain position (not sure if block Quellious Word of Serenity either)
Jeron's Mark see Symbol of Jeron
Level 69
Hand of Direction see Direction
Armor of the Champion is a good buff :)
Pious Cleansing is ok
Bulwark of Piety has same argument as Direction
Level 70
Wave of Piety very high mana cost but may provide some usefulness
Brells Brawny Bulwark is fine except that the increase in hps is failr minor
Affirmation also has similar argument to Direction except it may be useful if a druid buffing, although the 1 hour duration sux
Ancient Force of Jeron, not sure if it can be used with the other ancient spell so I will reserve judgement on this one
Level 66
Force of Piety makes Force of Akilae obsolete so there is essentially 1 less level 62 spell
Touch of Piety is pretty worthless. A 1550 heal at this level does not really help especially with the cast time
Direction is worthless as there is likely to be a cleric or druid to buff
Level 67
Surn Undead is a joke, even with SU1 you can hit undead for more
Silvered fury has a slight increase proc against undead, ok I guess
Symbol of Jeron's is only useful if buffed by a druid
Crusaders's Purity has its uses
Level 68
Pious Fury is ok although the increase in the proc is not much
Light of Piety has its use but probably used very rarely
Serene Command takes too long to cast and only useful if pushing a mob into a certain position (not sure if block Quellious Word of Serenity either)
Jeron's Mark see Symbol of Jeron
Level 69
Hand of Direction see Direction
Armor of the Champion is a good buff :)
Pious Cleansing is ok
Bulwark of Piety has same argument as Direction
Level 70
Wave of Piety very high mana cost but may provide some usefulness
Brells Brawny Bulwark is fine except that the increase in hps is failr minor
Affirmation also has similar argument to Direction except it may be useful if a druid buffing, although the 1 hour duration sux
Ancient Force of Jeron, not sure if it can be used with the other ancient spell so I will reserve judgement on this one
Although your points are valid, the fact is that things were all upped by a certain percentage, which is true along all classes except for Shammies who got major pimpage...
Our new procs are both quite stupid, and it is somewhat of a bummer that our new Stuns cant be used with our old ones, however the stun issue needed to be stopped before things could just be perma-stunned. I am upset that they upped the Mana cost for these stuns, however.
I like all 4 of our new heals. Because of the Group heals' rediculously long recast times, the more the merrier for certain situations. Our 66 Heal is dumb in most situations, as it is extremely slow yet less mana efficient than our HoT. It does have its place though, as does the quick heal with is a must. If your fighting without your "Light of" quick heal, then you need to sit down and mem that thing. And of course, our new HoT, the essense of the Paladin heal, is always welcomed.
As for your complaints about Affirmation and Symbol, I find it utterly preposterous that you can not be ecstatic about them. You do understand that because of the fact that Clerics buff only got upgraded a certain %, we are litterally gaining on their Buffing capability. With BBB + Affirmation or BBB + Pot9 + Jeron we can give more HP to a group than a Cleric can....
It is not so rare that a healer for a Paladin ends up being a druid, so the druids Group 9 + Group Jeron means that you dont have to worry about the single shot Affirmation except on yourself (so that your Self Shield will stack.)
As for Direction and Bulwark of Piety... YES its true you wont be using them much... but who cares... they are theoretically necessary for you to be able to learn Affirmation... just deal with it... The only thing I would have asked for is a Lull up to level 65 or a Quick Casting Rez/Very Long Recast High % rez for different situations.
Our new procs are both quite stupid, and it is somewhat of a bummer that our new Stuns cant be used with our old ones, however the stun issue needed to be stopped before things could just be perma-stunned. I am upset that they upped the Mana cost for these stuns, however.
I like all 4 of our new heals. Because of the Group heals' rediculously long recast times, the more the merrier for certain situations. Our 66 Heal is dumb in most situations, as it is extremely slow yet less mana efficient than our HoT. It does have its place though, as does the quick heal with is a must. If your fighting without your "Light of" quick heal, then you need to sit down and mem that thing. And of course, our new HoT, the essense of the Paladin heal, is always welcomed.
As for your complaints about Affirmation and Symbol, I find it utterly preposterous that you can not be ecstatic about them. You do understand that because of the fact that Clerics buff only got upgraded a certain %, we are litterally gaining on their Buffing capability. With BBB + Affirmation or BBB + Pot9 + Jeron we can give more HP to a group than a Cleric can....
It is not so rare that a healer for a Paladin ends up being a druid, so the druids Group 9 + Group Jeron means that you dont have to worry about the single shot Affirmation except on yourself (so that your Self Shield will stack.)
As for Direction and Bulwark of Piety... YES its true you wont be using them much... but who cares... they are theoretically necessary for you to be able to learn Affirmation... just deal with it... The only thing I would have asked for is a Lull up to level 65 or a Quick Casting Rez/Very Long Recast High % rez for different situations.
I think the problems about useless spells get amplified by the fact that the new turn-in mechanism requires to 'burn' through trash in order to get to the few useful spells. For pallies, to get to the second stun, e.g., I have to burn through 2 other spells which, however you would want to classify them (useless, marginal 'upgrade'), are not worth the time to get, given that even in many days of camping oow, runes are still too rare.
I agree that probably the biggest let-down in all of OOW is that we did not get the lull or pac line brought up to date. I think that in oow (think wos) a lot of frustration could be spared for a lot of people if more classes than rng, mnk, brd were able to pull efficiently.
Edited, Fri Oct 8 07:46:37 2004
I agree that probably the biggest let-down in all of OOW is that we did not get the lull or pac line brought up to date. I think that in oow (think wos) a lot of frustration could be spared for a lot of people if more classes than rng, mnk, brd were able to pull efficiently.
Edited, Fri Oct 8 07:46:37 2004
Scholar
36 posts
btw i'd like to point out that the sk undead nuke OWNS compared to that.... 1 sec cast time kinda long recast but over 1k dd.... kinda late for sk's to get that spelll imo tho, but it definately owns and makes sk's the premier tank against undead.
8 posts
If you don't care, why exactly are you browsing through posts involving a paladin spell? Doing a little late night trolling were you?
I think some people whine too much, but that is very much not exclusive to paladins. Just look at all the people whining about our epic 1.5 clicky if you want an example. :p
As for:
"We don't clog up our spell boards with whiney, "Sony hates us", worthless jargon, so why do you?"
Perhaps not, but you in particular clog up ours with your complaining about something that should have zero impact on you.
I think some people whine too much, but that is very much not exclusive to paladins. Just look at all the people whining about our epic 1.5 clicky if you want an example. :p
As for:
"We don't clog up our spell boards with whiney, "Sony hates us", worthless jargon, so why do you?"
Perhaps not, but you in particular clog up ours with your complaining about something that should have zero impact on you.
id post something to prove everything you jus said wrong, but your not worth my time. get a life
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#REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 05 2004 at 2:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Perhaps you didn't because you can't spell? C'mon, post something and prove me wrong. I dare you. I think we ALL could use a good laugh...
34 posts
Thanks for ******** me on my first rune turn in sony...<3 you too
I'm impressed, really. Phantastic undead nuke. Hardly any undead left in the higher end game, but who cares (Sony doesnt) - this is good stuff. Of course, SK get a 1.1k nuke (general purpose) in addition to HT. Oops.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 06 2004 at 8:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'd like to know who rated your post so high? Either it's another whiney Paladin, who thinks he got screwed by Sony, or you're a total loser and raised it yourself. Either way, shut the hell up...
I'm impressed, really. Phantastic undead nuke. Hardly any undead left in the higher end game, but who cares (Sony doesnt) - this is good stuff. Of course, SK get a 1.1k nuke (general purpose) in addition to HT. Oops.
I'm impressed, really. Phantastic undead nuke. Hardly any undead left in the higher end game, but who cares (Sony doesnt) - this is good stuff. Of course, SK get a 1.1k nuke in addition to HT. Oops.
4 posts
Let me see... Nuke for 850 or SU for 6500? Hmmmm.
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