Jewelry Making
The Jeweler can make magical rings, bracelets and necklaces that add to the player's abilities and stats.
What is the best way to develop and use the jewelry making skill? Which recipes are the best and the worst ones? Can you make a profit from making jewelry, and if so how? What class is best suited to this skill?
Post your strategies on how to best use and develop the jewelry making skill, and read, rate and comment on those posted by others.
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I'm currently 250 in Jewelry and have %5 Failure rate bonus from Eyeglasses, How to I get to 251? Do I max out at 250 ? or do I need to spend AA points in Failure rate percentage and always be 250 skill? The new POP items say greater than 250 skill
this is probably not the place for this but i am desperate i need to up my charisma i dont have much pp only 17 but need the following item Cats eye agate necklace made from silver it seems to be an easy (low trivial) item. I am on the Tholuuxe Paells server. This seems to be the only item i can almost afford right now and can wear being a druid. Next time i will give myself more charisima.
thank you!
thank you!
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The necklace you're talking about is indeed a very low trivial item. Raise your skill to 21 with your guild master and make it yourself or ask a jeweller to make it for you. All you need is an enchanted silver bar and the cats eye agate of course, which you can obtain at less than 1pp.
this is still me i know have a little more pp so if anyone reads this please let me know here or you may /t kellistell usually on line at night.
thanks
thanks
The two best ways to help your charisma are to hold Opal Encrusted Steins (each one has CHA +25), or to get a Charisma buff from an Enchanter or a Shaman.
I am not sure of the cost of Opal Encrusted steins, but they are one of those times that are made ot raise pottery skill, so they aren't outrageously expensive. They will pay for themselves many times over, too.
I am not sure of the cost of Opal Encrusted steins, but they are one of those times that are made ot raise pottery skill, so they aren't outrageously expensive. They will pay for themselves many times over, too.
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Well i had gotten my JC slowly from 0 to 160 slowly through 43 levels. not sure how much that cost. now at 46 i have a 205 in it. i have a chanter with 252 int without buffs and 132 cha. i used gold/with gems until 200 then switched to plat bars and gems. i am still making about 5 pp profit because i enchant the bars. i've tried not enchanting them only to sell back for cost so enchanting really does help. i stopped gold/gem at fire emerald, which took a long time. After i had gotten my skill up to 190 i stopped skilling every stack and points slowed remarkably. i was gettimg 1 point per every six stacks...after 199 i was back to get 2-3 points per stack.
Well... I dunno what to say. I guess high int really makes a difference. Made sure I had int gear on (255) and was in a decently friendly place (for me down by the bank area ni Erudin) and it took me no more than 2 or 3K and a few hours to get to 190 in jewelry, buying all gems and all metal bars right there.
Not sure what faction I had at the time, but I do know my cha was around 100 buying all the stuff, and the relatively few failures combined with the fact that you hardly lose any money to mention when you sell the un-enchanted stuff back to the vendor really didn't make me lose that much money at all. I was surprised when I did the whole thing, I was expecting the cash flow to be a lot bigger. In fact I think I spent about an equal amount getting to 190 in fletching, just buying and selling back to vendors in Kelethin.
Well... My only advice then is, MAX your int out and save lots of cash!
/Than
Ps. Ooh and I do realize this is when it gets tough... I just marveled at the fact that people spent 5k or more getting to where I am with over 200 int/wis. I guess those last points make a difference. I don't expect the last 60 points to come as easily =P Ds.
Edited, Mon Dec 2 13:29:09 2002
Not sure what faction I had at the time, but I do know my cha was around 100 buying all the stuff, and the relatively few failures combined with the fact that you hardly lose any money to mention when you sell the un-enchanted stuff back to the vendor really didn't make me lose that much money at all. I was surprised when I did the whole thing, I was expecting the cash flow to be a lot bigger. In fact I think I spent about an equal amount getting to 190 in fletching, just buying and selling back to vendors in Kelethin.
Well... My only advice then is, MAX your int out and save lots of cash!
/Than
Ps. Ooh and I do realize this is when it gets tough... I just marveled at the fact that people spent 5k or more getting to where I am with over 200 int/wis. I guess those last points make a difference. I don't expect the last 60 points to come as easily =P Ds.
Edited, Mon Dec 2 13:29:09 2002
I want to acquire the etching tools necessary to make velium armor (listed under "Special Jewelcraft Recipes" on the EQ Traders website). I searched their site to find out where to get etching tools, and there was only one reference to them. The writer said to go to Thurgadin and say to Meg Tucker, "I need a set of etching tools." OK, I've been in every shop, building and guild I can find in Thurg, but I haven't found Meg Tucker. Does anyone know if where she might be or if she even exits? On the other hand, if I'm on a wild goose chase looking for her, how do I really go about getting the etching tools? Edited, Sun Nov 24 19:15:06 2002
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One of the ways I have kept gem costs down in my journey through jewelcraft(only at 167 now) has been to not spend money on gems. There are locations in Norrath where you can effectively loot all the gems you need and only need to buy the metals. I have even looted some metal(silver) but wouldn't want to hunt the Beholder's Maze for them simply because the drop was a rare one and if an Evil Eye caught me, I could be in trouble. :)
My recommendation is to hunt the Aviaks in South Karana at their village. They have been great for many reasons:
They often drop gems of many varieties allowing you to stock up on what you need to make your jewelry.
If you start hunting them at around the 25th season, they give good xp. I am still hunting them in the 33rd season--mainly Harriers and Avocets, though I do butcher the lower ones when no other players are there.
They are said to drop black opals(a drop-only gem)though I have yet to see one.
They drop bronze weapons and a fair amount of cash for their lvl. There is better, of course, but perhaps not as easy.
These are very easy to solo, even for an enchanter. Just get your pet up hasted, choose one far enough away from the others to not aggro more than what you want(most are out of add range from each other, though you can mez and mem blur your way out of any adds if you do it right) DOT, run out of camp, allow the bird one chance to hit you, let your pet do the swordplay, and nuke once if necessary(root is often necessay for the stronger ones so you can have a chance to get a new pet should your first die).
Last, with illusion Wood-Elf, the aviak merchant on the top floor will buy and sell to you so you can get rid of the heavy bronze weapons.
As a result of hunting here, I have collected all the gems I need to work up to a skill level 178--other than Malachite and the other really cheap ones (which selling the bronze more than covers). Also, as I don't buy the gems, I am making a decent profit off of my sales because of the lowered cost of production, even including failures.
And the last bonus to hunting here is the fact that that winged horse, Quillmane, is known to spawn to the north of this town from time to time.
Thus far, I have seven sightings, one kill, and one cloak to my name--cloak is already sold btw (I love the Firiona Vie server).
Good luck hunting and making your jewelry.
Oligith Fandarel
Koada'Dal Enchanter of the 33rd Circle
League of Honour
Firiona Vie Server
My recommendation is to hunt the Aviaks in South Karana at their village. They have been great for many reasons:
They often drop gems of many varieties allowing you to stock up on what you need to make your jewelry.
If you start hunting them at around the 25th season, they give good xp. I am still hunting them in the 33rd season--mainly Harriers and Avocets, though I do butcher the lower ones when no other players are there.
They are said to drop black opals(a drop-only gem)though I have yet to see one.
They drop bronze weapons and a fair amount of cash for their lvl. There is better, of course, but perhaps not as easy.
These are very easy to solo, even for an enchanter. Just get your pet up hasted, choose one far enough away from the others to not aggro more than what you want(most are out of add range from each other, though you can mez and mem blur your way out of any adds if you do it right) DOT, run out of camp, allow the bird one chance to hit you, let your pet do the swordplay, and nuke once if necessary(root is often necessay for the stronger ones so you can have a chance to get a new pet should your first die).
Last, with illusion Wood-Elf, the aviak merchant on the top floor will buy and sell to you so you can get rid of the heavy bronze weapons.
As a result of hunting here, I have collected all the gems I need to work up to a skill level 178--other than Malachite and the other really cheap ones (which selling the bronze more than covers). Also, as I don't buy the gems, I am making a decent profit off of my sales because of the lowered cost of production, even including failures.
And the last bonus to hunting here is the fact that that winged horse, Quillmane, is known to spawn to the north of this town from time to time.
Thus far, I have seven sightings, one kill, and one cloak to my name--cloak is already sold btw (I love the Firiona Vie server).
Good luck hunting and making your jewelry.
Oligith Fandarel
Koada'Dal Enchanter of the 33rd Circle
League of Honour
Firiona Vie Server
I figure that, with the spell and component bag, I will have spent about 7 plat. I was hoping that someone would tell me how much money it takes to have a reason to live (basically, making enough Silver Cat's Eye or Silver Jasper to scrape in the tiniest profit).
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I have read many posts on this page and many ideas and points of view. I agree with some and disagree with others. But heres my quick 2 cents: Basically I started with silver electrum gold platinum and velium in that order....I combined them with with each gem untils its trivial working up to jade then changing metals to next higher...in essence the cost of the gems better then jade out weighed the cost of the better metal (to me). I have an int of 223 and cha of 150 or so. My skill is currently 186 and I have spent a mere 5k...so personally I dont know where all these high costs are coming from. I can definately see a major increase in cost coming however given the proper patience i can easily make more then my cost up in selling and turn a profit while still increasing my skill. GL to anyone who wants to do this or any other skill and if you are in it for money it CAN be done just take your time...and if your in it for fun then good for you!
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My skill-ups to 185 to so was similarly painless. But then about 190, there was a dramatic turn for the worse. I have tried working on items with trivials only a few points above my skill to items 30 points above my skill ... only 5 to 10 percent failures either way, but no skill-ups. My intelligence gear has me under 200 int .... dex ok ... but it has taken at least 10 stacks for each point (maybe more). I am only at 192 and have dropped over 6k just going up 2 points. Talked to another chanter who said that he was bogged down at 190 too and wondered if it was a bug. It may be that some very high level of intilligence is just required at this point ... would like to get some insight here
well that on the suface may seem like it is saving you money believe me it isn't, get yourself a Geerlok <5% bonus to skill> and work through a gem at a time. you sell back to merch for v little loss and with only 5% fail rate <best you can get> i only spent 1k to get from 0 to 202 <int 200 char 210 buffed>
the geerlok means that even if you switch metals at the saphire stage <i stopped at star ruby> you still will only have 5% fail rate at next metal/ malacite
Adeara Coolbreeze
30 chanter
202 Jc
the geerlok means that even if you switch metals at the saphire stage <i stopped at star ruby> you still will only have 5% fail rate at next metal/ malacite
Adeara Coolbreeze
30 chanter
202 Jc
the 5% jewelcraft skill mod on the Geerlok doesn't make every combine only a 5% failure rate, it pseudo-increases your skill by 5%. So if you have 200 JC and you have a Geerlok it will act like 210 JC though you can still skill up with stuff that is trivial at, say, 205 or so. I don't know where you got your info from but if what you said was true that would be too good by far, considering anyone with 0 in JC could easily make Velium Blue Diamond Bracelets because it only fails 5% of the time.
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ey...does ne one knoe some good gear that i can use to boost up mai int, cha, dex, wis?...er... ne spells or if ne enchanters can buff me up as well as enchant mai bars?
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hey...r there ne enchanters on the kane bayle server thats in the area of erudin or 4rm about the warrens to blackburrow that can enchant some of mai silver bars?...i would appreciate it if u could help =)
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For the good sets of resist gear, what are the best zones for farming Diamonds and Blue Diamonds to supply to the Chanters? Both most likely for general mobs to drop them and the zones where it is possible for a few level 50 characters to be able to have a reasonable chance of getting the gems without too high a chance of death...
Thank you
Thank you
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Shoot for a bugz group in Seb
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Ok , I have 2 friends , one of them says that Imbued gems with enchanted metal does something different than regular gems with enchanted metal , while my other friend says that regular gems and enchanted metal is just pretty while only imbued gems add the attributes , now I'm all confused , which is true?
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I have 185. Basically stopped making jc for a time. But will go back to it soon. I find that imbued items are great on stats. But as a rule sell very poorly, as they can only be used by a player of a specific deity. (For instance M/Marr's), And people don't purchase items that way. At least on 7th Hammer. I've got stuff that just will not sell. Even with killer stats.
Eonelin Draconis
55 Chanter
Wardens of Honor
Eonelin Draconis
55 Chanter
Wardens of Honor
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I have 185. Basically stopped making jc for a time. But will go back to it soon. I find that imbued items are great on stats. But as a rule sell very poorly, as they can only be used by a player of a specific deity. (For instance M/Marr's), And people don't purchase items that way. At least on 7th Hammer. I've got stuff that just will not sell. Even with killer stats.
Eonelin Draconis
55 Chanter
Wardens of Honor
Eonelin Draconis
55 Chanter
Wardens of Honor
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This i do know:
regular gems + regular metal = pretty
regular gems + ench metal = magical
I too would like to know about imbued gems + ench metal.
regular gems + regular metal = pretty
regular gems + ench metal = magical
I too would like to know about imbued gems + ench metal.
Imbued GEm + enchanted metal = deity restricted magic jewelry.
For example, an imbued diamond platinum ring is 5wis 5 sta 5 all saves, but is mithaiel marr worshippers only.
For example, an imbued diamond platinum ring is 5wis 5 sta 5 all saves, but is mithaiel marr worshippers only.
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Just to give you some idea of what it cost me to gain 8 skill pts at this lvl here is a break down.
Staring JC skill was 192, spent 870pp to get to 200. First 4 attempts were Black Pearl/Gold since I had some in the bank. Did Star Ruby/Gold till 199 and got that last point with Fire Emerald/Gold. Was averaging 1 point gain per 20 attempts or so, but thats average. I had a stretch where I got 3 points in 8 tries then nothing for awhile. VERY random and has been that way from the start. The 870pp is what I lost due to fails getting to 200 and profit loss selling back to the merchants. That equals about 108pp per skill gain, :( Not looking forward getting the last 50 pts. BTW Int is 239 and Cha is 157 when I have tradeskill gear on.
Noleus
51 Illusionist
Tholuxe Paells
Staring JC skill was 192, spent 870pp to get to 200. First 4 attempts were Black Pearl/Gold since I had some in the bank. Did Star Ruby/Gold till 199 and got that last point with Fire Emerald/Gold. Was averaging 1 point gain per 20 attempts or so, but thats average. I had a stretch where I got 3 points in 8 tries then nothing for awhile. VERY random and has been that way from the start. The 870pp is what I lost due to fails getting to 200 and profit loss selling back to the merchants. That equals about 108pp per skill gain, :( Not looking forward getting the last 50 pts. BTW Int is 239 and Cha is 157 when I have tradeskill gear on.
Noleus
51 Illusionist
Tholuxe Paells
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I too am having a buch of trouble here. i'm at skill 196. I have gone through 6 stacks each of star rubies and gold and still have not hit 197. The triv is suppsed to be 199. What am I doing wrong?
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You're not doing anything wrong, it took me 60 attempts with opal/gold to get from 188 to 189, it just takes time and patience, you'll hit 250 eventually
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While fighting throughout Norrath I have picked up and saved a flame agate and some preserved snake eyes. Are these jewels of some type? If so, what type of jewelry and what are stats?
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Since the patch a couple weeks ago, stating 1000+ new tradeskill recipies, Has anyone found any new JC recipies? or know a site that has them listed?
I've seen dozens of new pottery and tailoring recipies, but haven't found any for JC.
IMO they really need to revamp the skill point tree, since the adding of Velium with the Velious Expansion.
Not to get into a discussion of what all they need to revamp, as the list is almost infinite :)
Dalandrei Laufrolle
<Eternal Flame Kindred>
(Tunare Server)
Master Jeweler
I've seen dozens of new pottery and tailoring recipies, but haven't found any for JC.
IMO they really need to revamp the skill point tree, since the adding of Velium with the Velious Expansion.
Not to get into a discussion of what all they need to revamp, as the list is almost infinite :)
Dalandrei Laufrolle
<Eternal Flame Kindred>
(Tunare Server)
Master Jeweler
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I agree with you in having to revamp the skill tree for JC. Since platinum and velium trivial at the same lvl. I'm a poor enchanter though, and if they do it like they did Smithing, we'll be paying a lot more to get to 250 (Vel bars are 262pp, while plat is only 105).
Mordigan Manamaster
53 Enchanter
Tunare
<Pursuers of Freedom>
Mordigan Manamaster
53 Enchanter
Tunare
<Pursuers of Freedom>
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Hello all!
Just started an enchanter, so I was wondering where I could go to get some "receipes" for jewelry making? Do I put points into JC only....OR is there more to this skill? <IE is pottery and smithing going to be involved as
well?>
Although...after reading some of these e-mails I'm beginning to wonder if I should just tuck tail and run?
Please let me know of any beginning "receipes" to try.
Thanks for your assistance!
Just started an enchanter, so I was wondering where I could go to get some "receipes" for jewelry making? Do I put points into JC only....OR is there more to this skill? <IE is pottery and smithing going to be involved as
well?>
Although...after reading some of these e-mails I'm beginning to wonder if I should just tuck tail and run?
Please let me know of any beginning "receipes" to try.
Thanks for your assistance!
#REDACTED,
Posted: May 12 2002 at 10:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have less than a week to start making at least 1kpp per hour. I know this is kind of a tough thing at lvl 30 but the consequences of not delivering this result are dier (I will be forced by my wife to quit playing because she doesn't think it's productive). I am open to any options you can suggest. Just post a reply here or send email to quelek@five2life.com.
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Tell your wife to stop placing unrealistic demands on you. Find something your wife likes to do and exploit it. Tell her if she can't stop complaining for atleast twenty minutes a day then she can't get her nails done ever again. Something assanine like that ought to work. Her nagging skill must be maxed out at (200). Posting this embarassing remark into each and every post subject on this site was annoying to us and a waste of time for you.
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hehe thats a taugh one lol umm start ripping people off hehe that always works for me but if your honost i'd say use platnum and hope it works lol
Scholar
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Hmmm...it seems like there is a lot of misinformation about jewelcraft on these boards, so I'm going to go ahead and dispel some myths, and give some accurate information.
First of all, the only stats that will affect Jewelcrafting are Wisdom OR Intelligence, whichever stat is higher. You do NOT need both stats, only one of them to be very high. The degree to which they'll affect your jc is as follows: A) affects the rate of skill-ups, and B) affects the rate of success. In essence, having a high Intelligence (or Wisdom), will make your trip through the levels of jc much easier, faster, and much more cost effective (as frequent successes will allow to you to sell back to vendors, and make your most of your money back).
>BTW, from now on, I'm going to refer only to Intelligence, although you can use Wisdom in place of Intelligence anywhere I use it.
Even with 200+ Intelligence, expect to pump 20 to 25K pp into getting to 250 jewelcraft. If you are not planning to get to 250, do not even bother with attempting jc. Aside from quest items (such as the Coldain quests), there is really nothing you can do with sub-250 jc to make a good profit. When I say "good" profit, I'm talking in the thousands of platinum. 100pp, once your post 50, will probably buy you some food, but not much else that you'll actually need.
If you want a specific item, such as the person who said they wanted to make the Int 8 rings for their Wizard, it is MUCH more cost effective to simply buy these items from a jeweler, as opposed to doing it yourself. Tradeskills are not meant to be practiced simply to get a certain item. They are hard and expensive to raise for a reason.
Yes, it is very easy and cute to get to 150 in JC. But, once you reach that mark, expect to start tossing your money out the window as you make the harsh trip up to 250. With the advent of Velium metal, JC pieces made with Platinum are HORRIBLY HARD TO SELL, since, obviously, everybody wants the Velium version of the items they need (for example, a pair of Platinum Fire Opal rings, AC 5 / HP 55, would probably be sold by any sane jeweler for 500pp or more. However, Velium Fire Opal Rings, AC 6 / HP 65, are sought after a lot more by higher level Warriors who can easily spend the extra 500pp, assuming you sell the Velium version at 1K a pair.)
Do not keep "stock" of certain items. That will doom you to having to "camp" EC or NFP for weeks trying to sell a specific item. Instead, keep no stock at all, and make specific pieces once you have an actual buyer. You'll get the occassional newb that after having you make him some jewelery will back out on the deal, but, hopefully, you've got a high enough Charisma to simply sell back whatever you made to the vendor (unless it's a Velium piece, in which case you should probably try selling. Vendors don't give back anywhere near the actual price of Velium.)
You only need to have a Charisma of 120 to get the best prices (both buying and selling) from vendors. This means that at 120 Charisma, if you buy something worth 20pp from the vendors, you can sell back at about 19pp. No, you will never make a profit from selling back items to vendors.
This brings up another point. The reason that Enchanters are usually the most common jewelers is because Enchanters can actually enchant the metals that they're working with on the spot. The good thing is that an enchanted piece of jewelery sells for slightly more to the vendors than a non-enchanted piece. This does not begin to become evident until you're about halfway through trainning Gold. Once you reach that level, your jc experience becomes MUCH easier and cheaper if you can get your bars enchanted.
Even though you have maxed out jc (250), and maxed out Intelligence, expect failures. You will NOT be able to make easy cash by simply enchanting metals, combining them, and selling back to vendors. Obviously, I've tried this. You will get 1 failure per stack (at least, guaranteed), and that will make you lose any "profits" you think you may have made.
For those who are worried about trivial levels, don't be tricked into thinking that once an item becomes trivial for you that you will be able to make the item with confidence. In order to "confidently" make an item (getting approximately a 95% success rating), it is widely recommended to have at least 10 points of skill higher than the trivial level of the item you wish to make. This is true of all tradeskills, and is essential when making quest items (i.e. for the Coldain quests, for all tradeskills, make sure you are at least 10 points above the trivial levels require, or expect to go "questing" quite a few times for your items).
While I personally have never done it, it is recommned to get Ulthork Tusks, which can be turned in to some Othmir in Cobalt Scar for gems. The quest supposedly results in high level gems, usually 100pp+. On my server, the Tusks sell for about 25 to 50pp, so it may be worth a shot. Like I said, I'm just relaying info, this is not something I've done personally.
Another tip: Don't do combines for people you aren't friends with. You're a jeweler. Your tradeskill is your "business", it's how you make money. Some people farm the hell out of items, you instead create things. Don't be cheated out of your craft by people who come to ask you for favors. Think of how funny it would be to go to an emergency room and ask the doctor on call to remove your appendix, but he should do it for free, since you're going to supply the scalpel, and you don't really need the anesthesia, you'll just take the pain. Since no sane person would do that, don't let people take advantage of you and your craft by pressuring you into favors.
On another note, however, giving credit for gems and/or bars is quite something else. On my server, Blue Diamonds sell for about 800pp, and Velium bars I get for 262.5pp. Whenever I'm asked for a "quick combine", I tell them I'll give them 800pp for the BD, and 262.5pp for the bar. However, I charge 2K for a Velium Blue Diamond Bracer. And, of course, if I fail, they get nothing. Most people don't go for it, and for good reason...they have the stuff already, duh. But, like I said, I'm not in the business of doing favors, I pumped 20K into my tradeskill in hopes of making SOME money. Let people go find their guild jeweler, or some friend of theirs to do their combines. Heck, you weren't gonna get paid for it anyway. =\
All in all, the best tip I could probably give any aspiring jeweler is KEEP YOUR MONEY. Don't throw your money away on jc. JC is probably the only tradeskill that has truly marketable items, but it's a dead-end craft. A lot of our items have either too high of a failure rate to be worth making, don't sell well enough to be worth making, have some sort of competition from some other, droppable item, or of just no use to anyone. Plus, the over abundance of jewelers on most servers just means that prices are bound to plummet. Lemme show you some simple math:
All figures are based on current Drinal economy.
Blue Diamond, cost: 800pp.
Velium Bar, cost: 262.5pp.
Velium Blue Diamond Bracer, sale price: 2000pp.
Total profit: 937.5pp.
If you attempt 10 BD Bracers, you'll end up with 3 failures (30% failure rate, guaranteed).
Cost of 10 Blue Diamonds: 8,000pp.
Cost of 10 Velium Bars: 2,625pp.
Total sale price of 7 BD Bracers: 14,000pp.
Total profit: 3,375pp.
You have just spent 20,000pp getting your JC to 250. Blue Diamonds are rare as hell. Simply getting your hands on 10 BDs is a hassle. SELLING off 7 BD Bracers is another incredible hassle. Expect at least a good week of hardcore selling. In the end, you made a profit of 3,375pp. Of course, you're actually "in the hole" about 17K. Profittable business? Or big lie? You decide.
IMHO, being a 250 jeweler who has sold LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of jewelery, jc simply isn't worth it. Forget tradeskills altogether(unless you actually like them, like I do, regardless of the debts incurred). Take all the time that it takes you to train your skills, all the money it takes to train your skills, all the time spent making all that money, and just level up. When you get to level 60, then you can just go ahead and pluck whatever the hell it is that you want out of the market, as you can do all of the most outrageous camps in Everquest. Levels = power = money. Don't short-change yourself.
First of all, the only stats that will affect Jewelcrafting are Wisdom OR Intelligence, whichever stat is higher. You do NOT need both stats, only one of them to be very high. The degree to which they'll affect your jc is as follows: A) affects the rate of skill-ups, and B) affects the rate of success. In essence, having a high Intelligence (or Wisdom), will make your trip through the levels of jc much easier, faster, and much more cost effective (as frequent successes will allow to you to sell back to vendors, and make your most of your money back).
>BTW, from now on, I'm going to refer only to Intelligence, although you can use Wisdom in place of Intelligence anywhere I use it.
Even with 200+ Intelligence, expect to pump 20 to 25K pp into getting to 250 jewelcraft. If you are not planning to get to 250, do not even bother with attempting jc. Aside from quest items (such as the Coldain quests), there is really nothing you can do with sub-250 jc to make a good profit. When I say "good" profit, I'm talking in the thousands of platinum. 100pp, once your post 50, will probably buy you some food, but not much else that you'll actually need.
If you want a specific item, such as the person who said they wanted to make the Int 8 rings for their Wizard, it is MUCH more cost effective to simply buy these items from a jeweler, as opposed to doing it yourself. Tradeskills are not meant to be practiced simply to get a certain item. They are hard and expensive to raise for a reason.
Yes, it is very easy and cute to get to 150 in JC. But, once you reach that mark, expect to start tossing your money out the window as you make the harsh trip up to 250. With the advent of Velium metal, JC pieces made with Platinum are HORRIBLY HARD TO SELL, since, obviously, everybody wants the Velium version of the items they need (for example, a pair of Platinum Fire Opal rings, AC 5 / HP 55, would probably be sold by any sane jeweler for 500pp or more. However, Velium Fire Opal Rings, AC 6 / HP 65, are sought after a lot more by higher level Warriors who can easily spend the extra 500pp, assuming you sell the Velium version at 1K a pair.)
Do not keep "stock" of certain items. That will doom you to having to "camp" EC or NFP for weeks trying to sell a specific item. Instead, keep no stock at all, and make specific pieces once you have an actual buyer. You'll get the occassional newb that after having you make him some jewelery will back out on the deal, but, hopefully, you've got a high enough Charisma to simply sell back whatever you made to the vendor (unless it's a Velium piece, in which case you should probably try selling. Vendors don't give back anywhere near the actual price of Velium.)
You only need to have a Charisma of 120 to get the best prices (both buying and selling) from vendors. This means that at 120 Charisma, if you buy something worth 20pp from the vendors, you can sell back at about 19pp. No, you will never make a profit from selling back items to vendors.
This brings up another point. The reason that Enchanters are usually the most common jewelers is because Enchanters can actually enchant the metals that they're working with on the spot. The good thing is that an enchanted piece of jewelery sells for slightly more to the vendors than a non-enchanted piece. This does not begin to become evident until you're about halfway through trainning Gold. Once you reach that level, your jc experience becomes MUCH easier and cheaper if you can get your bars enchanted.
Even though you have maxed out jc (250), and maxed out Intelligence, expect failures. You will NOT be able to make easy cash by simply enchanting metals, combining them, and selling back to vendors. Obviously, I've tried this. You will get 1 failure per stack (at least, guaranteed), and that will make you lose any "profits" you think you may have made.
For those who are worried about trivial levels, don't be tricked into thinking that once an item becomes trivial for you that you will be able to make the item with confidence. In order to "confidently" make an item (getting approximately a 95% success rating), it is widely recommended to have at least 10 points of skill higher than the trivial level of the item you wish to make. This is true of all tradeskills, and is essential when making quest items (i.e. for the Coldain quests, for all tradeskills, make sure you are at least 10 points above the trivial levels require, or expect to go "questing" quite a few times for your items).
While I personally have never done it, it is recommned to get Ulthork Tusks, which can be turned in to some Othmir in Cobalt Scar for gems. The quest supposedly results in high level gems, usually 100pp+. On my server, the Tusks sell for about 25 to 50pp, so it may be worth a shot. Like I said, I'm just relaying info, this is not something I've done personally.
Another tip: Don't do combines for people you aren't friends with. You're a jeweler. Your tradeskill is your "business", it's how you make money. Some people farm the hell out of items, you instead create things. Don't be cheated out of your craft by people who come to ask you for favors. Think of how funny it would be to go to an emergency room and ask the doctor on call to remove your appendix, but he should do it for free, since you're going to supply the scalpel, and you don't really need the anesthesia, you'll just take the pain. Since no sane person would do that, don't let people take advantage of you and your craft by pressuring you into favors.
On another note, however, giving credit for gems and/or bars is quite something else. On my server, Blue Diamonds sell for about 800pp, and Velium bars I get for 262.5pp. Whenever I'm asked for a "quick combine", I tell them I'll give them 800pp for the BD, and 262.5pp for the bar. However, I charge 2K for a Velium Blue Diamond Bracer. And, of course, if I fail, they get nothing. Most people don't go for it, and for good reason...they have the stuff already, duh. But, like I said, I'm not in the business of doing favors, I pumped 20K into my tradeskill in hopes of making SOME money. Let people go find their guild jeweler, or some friend of theirs to do their combines. Heck, you weren't gonna get paid for it anyway. =\
All in all, the best tip I could probably give any aspiring jeweler is KEEP YOUR MONEY. Don't throw your money away on jc. JC is probably the only tradeskill that has truly marketable items, but it's a dead-end craft. A lot of our items have either too high of a failure rate to be worth making, don't sell well enough to be worth making, have some sort of competition from some other, droppable item, or of just no use to anyone. Plus, the over abundance of jewelers on most servers just means that prices are bound to plummet. Lemme show you some simple math:
All figures are based on current Drinal economy.
Blue Diamond, cost: 800pp.
Velium Bar, cost: 262.5pp.
Velium Blue Diamond Bracer, sale price: 2000pp.
Total profit: 937.5pp.
If you attempt 10 BD Bracers, you'll end up with 3 failures (30% failure rate, guaranteed).
Cost of 10 Blue Diamonds: 8,000pp.
Cost of 10 Velium Bars: 2,625pp.
Total sale price of 7 BD Bracers: 14,000pp.
Total profit: 3,375pp.
You have just spent 20,000pp getting your JC to 250. Blue Diamonds are rare as hell. Simply getting your hands on 10 BDs is a hassle. SELLING off 7 BD Bracers is another incredible hassle. Expect at least a good week of hardcore selling. In the end, you made a profit of 3,375pp. Of course, you're actually "in the hole" about 17K. Profittable business? Or big lie? You decide.
IMHO, being a 250 jeweler who has sold LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of jewelery, jc simply isn't worth it. Forget tradeskills altogether(unless you actually like them, like I do, regardless of the debts incurred). Take all the time that it takes you to train your skills, all the money it takes to train your skills, all the time spent making all that money, and just level up. When you get to level 60, then you can just go ahead and pluck whatever the hell it is that you want out of the market, as you can do all of the most outrageous camps in Everquest. Levels = power = money. Don't short-change yourself.
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Okay. Let's say I want to start a new character (Dark Elf Enchanter) for the sole purpose of JC. Yeah, I'd level him up to about 8 or 10, dump most of those practices into JC, and start pumping it up. Now, you said "post-50 skill jewelry will sell for around 100pp." Then you said that all you can do is buy food?!!? Dude, which server are you on, man? Are you kidding? I have a level 20 Ranger that can forage all he needs. Even without that, food is NOT THAT expensive. I am starting an Enchanter char who is going to be my "money mule" so to speak. If I can make 100pp with any decent regularity, I'll just transfer it to my Ranger to finance his Fletching. Also, if my Chanter needs food, I'll just give him my Ranger foraged food for free. So there is actually a use for Jeweler.
The other reason for the Chanter char is the Solusek Ro quest rewards I can sell for around 100pp per (again, giving the money to my Ranger).
Also, if you make a profit of 3,375pp, how are you in the hole 17k? If you made just 6 of those transactions, (6 x 3,375 = approx 19k) you'd be out of any hole you ever dug for yourself. So you can make money with JC.
And yes, I agree with the other method too. Just level up as fast as possible and you'll be fighting creatures that carry more money/items anyway. That still might be the easier route, but I don't want to wait 10 or 20 levels.
Anonymous
The other reason for the Chanter char is the Solusek Ro quest rewards I can sell for around 100pp per (again, giving the money to my Ranger).
Also, if you make a profit of 3,375pp, how are you in the hole 17k? If you made just 6 of those transactions, (6 x 3,375 = approx 19k) you'd be out of any hole you ever dug for yourself. So you can make money with JC.
And yes, I agree with the other method too. Just level up as fast as possible and you'll be fighting creatures that carry more money/items anyway. That still might be the easier route, but I don't want to wait 10 or 20 levels.
Anonymous
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Your math skills are definitely lacking.
You also have to consider the fact that you can't just make a low level Enchanter to be a jeweler. You make most of your pp off selling Velium jewelery. Enchanters don't get the spell to enchant Velium until level 44. Raising a character to level 44 just for a tradeskill sound like a waste of time to me.
You also have to consider the fact that you can't just make a low level Enchanter to be a jeweler. You make most of your pp off selling Velium jewelery. Enchanters don't get the spell to enchant Velium until level 44. Raising a character to level 44 just for a tradeskill sound like a waste of time to me.
You're making some mistakes with your math, Avatarzx.
You're in the hold for about 17k because you spent over 20k getting to the point to where you could make the bracers in the first place. That 3,375pp "profit" is just beginning to make a dent in huge sum you spent in learning the craft in the first place. If you never took up JC in the first place, you'd still have that 20,000pp. What could you buy with 20,000pp?
"If you made just 6 of those transactions, (6 x 3,375 = approx 19k) you'd be out of any hole you ever dug for yourself."
Look at the post again. That 3,375pp came from selling SEVEN items made from TEN attempts. Not one transaction. To get out of the hole, you'd have to sell SEVENTY Velium Blue Diamond Bracers, after about 100 attempts to make them.
The point is, in order to make a small fortune as a jeweler, you must first spend a large one... and a large amount of time as well. All time that could have been spent adventuring, gaining levels, and making more platinum.
I'm 37th level, and a master of a half-dozen crafts, nearly a grandmaster in smithing. And I have barely 300 platinum in my bank account. Had I foregone the trades completely and simply adventured, I'd have been 60th level AGES ago... and have so much platinum, I'd have no idea what to do with it all. But I wanted to do something more than camp, kill, loot, and sell.
The moral of the story? Don't enter jewelcraft (or any other trade, for that matter,) to make money. Enter it because you think it will be fun to do, and because you want the challenge. If you do it for any other reason, you will ultimately be frustrated. If you want to make as much money as fast as possible, go kill stuff and loot it. Trades do not make money. Trades eat money.
You're in the hold for about 17k because you spent over 20k getting to the point to where you could make the bracers in the first place. That 3,375pp "profit" is just beginning to make a dent in huge sum you spent in learning the craft in the first place. If you never took up JC in the first place, you'd still have that 20,000pp. What could you buy with 20,000pp?
"If you made just 6 of those transactions, (6 x 3,375 = approx 19k) you'd be out of any hole you ever dug for yourself."
Look at the post again. That 3,375pp came from selling SEVEN items made from TEN attempts. Not one transaction. To get out of the hole, you'd have to sell SEVENTY Velium Blue Diamond Bracers, after about 100 attempts to make them.
The point is, in order to make a small fortune as a jeweler, you must first spend a large one... and a large amount of time as well. All time that could have been spent adventuring, gaining levels, and making more platinum.
I'm 37th level, and a master of a half-dozen crafts, nearly a grandmaster in smithing. And I have barely 300 platinum in my bank account. Had I foregone the trades completely and simply adventured, I'd have been 60th level AGES ago... and have so much platinum, I'd have no idea what to do with it all. But I wanted to do something more than camp, kill, loot, and sell.
The moral of the story? Don't enter jewelcraft (or any other trade, for that matter,) to make money. Enter it because you think it will be fun to do, and because you want the challenge. If you do it for any other reason, you will ultimately be frustrated. If you want to make as much money as fast as possible, go kill stuff and loot it. Trades do not make money. Trades eat money.
jewelry craft is NOT repeat NOT expencive if you follow some very simple rules
1: except the fact that only certain types of jewelry will sell to players <Int , Wis, hit points , AC is what you are looking for. don't even think about resist stuff intill GM>
2: selling back to merch does not hurt your pocket i lose maybe 1pp a shot which i can make back later with ease
3: get a geerlok it will make the combines you do have the min failure rate of 5% if you do jewel by jewel to lvl your skill
4: be dedicated do not mix you lvl'ing of skill with making money do one or the other. i.e say to yourself i have 500pp i will get my JC up to 150 today and sit and combine untill you do, selling back your items as you make them. then when you have reached your goal look at what you can make that you have trivialed using rule 1. you will then be able to sell to make your money back over a period of time.
5: remember you have 34 levels in which to GM your skill because you cannot enchant plat untill then.
6: if it is profit you want SAVE your gems that drop free gems will make sure that you make a profit.
here endeth the lesson
/rant off
it has cost me less than 2k to get my skill to 200+ and i must have made 10k from selling jewelry from gem drops in bazaar so i KNOW this works.
1: except the fact that only certain types of jewelry will sell to players <Int , Wis, hit points , AC is what you are looking for. don't even think about resist stuff intill GM>
2: selling back to merch does not hurt your pocket i lose maybe 1pp a shot which i can make back later with ease
3: get a geerlok it will make the combines you do have the min failure rate of 5% if you do jewel by jewel to lvl your skill
4: be dedicated do not mix you lvl'ing of skill with making money do one or the other. i.e say to yourself i have 500pp i will get my JC up to 150 today and sit and combine untill you do, selling back your items as you make them. then when you have reached your goal look at what you can make that you have trivialed using rule 1. you will then be able to sell to make your money back over a period of time.
5: remember you have 34 levels in which to GM your skill because you cannot enchant plat untill then.
6: if it is profit you want SAVE your gems that drop free gems will make sure that you make a profit.
here endeth the lesson
/rant off
it has cost me less than 2k to get my skill to 200+ and i must have made 10k from selling jewelry from gem drops in bazaar so i KNOW this works.
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I am level 37 Druid Halfing. From level 10 up I have been collecting the jewels I loot and putting in my bank. I have to make adecision to sell those items or take up the trade.
My consideration is from other players telling me it is expensive and not worth the trouble just to sell.
I have the following items in bank. Topaz 49, Jade Shard 10, Jade 83, Ivory 60,Cats Eye Agate 2,Jassper 2, Hermatrte 1, Pearl 66, Lapis 1,Onxy 1, Star Rose Quartz 8, Silver Bars 11,Electrum Bars 2, Ice Of Velious 8,Amber 60,Peridot 1, Plains Pebble 4.
I have about 110 training points I could use . I put 1 point in all the trades at 23 but have not practiced any of them. I have been busy porting and raising money and not leveling for the last three weeks and have 5000 Plat in bank. .
SO! Any suggestions I prefer nukeingf and porting but will come a time I might need trade skill, Please give me your suggestions based on your EXP.
My consideration is from other players telling me it is expensive and not worth the trouble just to sell.
I have the following items in bank. Topaz 49, Jade Shard 10, Jade 83, Ivory 60,Cats Eye Agate 2,Jassper 2, Hermatrte 1, Pearl 66, Lapis 1,Onxy 1, Star Rose Quartz 8, Silver Bars 11,Electrum Bars 2, Ice Of Velious 8,Amber 60,Peridot 1, Plains Pebble 4.
I have about 110 training points I could use . I put 1 point in all the trades at 23 but have not practiced any of them. I have been busy porting and raising money and not leveling for the last three weeks and have 5000 Plat in bank. .
SO! Any suggestions I prefer nukeingf and porting but will come a time I might need trade skill, Please give me your suggestions based on your EXP.
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Well, If you are intrested in making jewlery it is expensive. Mostly the enchanter is the best class for making jewlery simply because they can enchanter the metal to make the rings and such. how ever If you have a enchanter who is willing to spend the time and mana to enchant the bars for you, feel free to do it. The plains pebble, the Jade shard, the Ivory, Ice of Velious can not be used to make any benifical jewlery.
If you are serious in doing jewlery, first put about 20 points or so into it and start by working silver, Heamite is the easiest gem to do, Jade is the hardest common gem to do. All the jewlery stones are available in the major citys.
At lvl 37 you wont really be making anything usefull untill you can go gold or platnimum. Most of the silver jewlery can be sold to character lower than 20, usually by lvl 20 people are goin to have better gear, but the problem is that these Items might cost you 1pp to 5pp, there are few low lvls who hve the cash to buy them.
I started Jewlery and now I can enchant PLatnimum, but I can sucessfuly make gold only, my skill is 122. I have pumped about 3k into the skill, mostly I either donated the jewlery to friends guildmates or just gave them away. I had a head time selling silver jewlery and making a proffit.
However, asside from the cost, and the need for an enchanter to enchant the metal for you. If you want to, make fasion jewlery (No stat bonouses) you can do that without assistance.
Pieter crackcaster lvl 34 Enchanter
If you are serious in doing jewlery, first put about 20 points or so into it and start by working silver, Heamite is the easiest gem to do, Jade is the hardest common gem to do. All the jewlery stones are available in the major citys.
At lvl 37 you wont really be making anything usefull untill you can go gold or platnimum. Most of the silver jewlery can be sold to character lower than 20, usually by lvl 20 people are goin to have better gear, but the problem is that these Items might cost you 1pp to 5pp, there are few low lvls who hve the cash to buy them.
I started Jewlery and now I can enchant PLatnimum, but I can sucessfuly make gold only, my skill is 122. I have pumped about 3k into the skill, mostly I either donated the jewlery to friends guildmates or just gave them away. I had a head time selling silver jewlery and making a proffit.
However, asside from the cost, and the need for an enchanter to enchant the metal for you. If you want to, make fasion jewlery (No stat bonouses) you can do that without assistance.
Pieter crackcaster lvl 34 Enchanter
I disagree if u spent 3-5k u should be in the 190 -210 skill, if u dont enchant the metal it will sell back at cost, if u enchant u will get back about 5-10 pp and i do 40 at a time so it comes out to be about 250 i get back so it like a free attempt
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Whilst some of what you say is true, a great deal of it is erroneous.
For starters Jade is by no stretch of the imagination the hardest common gem to work with. The jewellers in both Shadowhaven and Firiona Vie stock pearl, Topaz, Peridot, Emerald, Opal, Star Ruby, Fire emerald, Sapphire & Ruby ALL of which are progressively higher trivial by metal than Jade.
As for cost of jewelery, I reckon I am now slightly in profit from selling back to the merchant alone! My skill is currently 221 and I'm working on it, at present I get about 1 point skill raise for every 5 stacks of platinum used (Int 196).
To give you an idea of the profit. 1 silver bar (cost 5g2s5c) & 1 ruby (cost 131p2g5s) when enchanted and made up makes a Ruby veil which I can sell back to the merchant for 137p 4g 5s 2c a stomping profit of 5p 6g 7s 7c on something that is trivial at 62. Something like 100pp+ per stack profit with a very low failure rate.
I don't know what I'm doing right. I always cast Benevolance on the trader and keep Sympathetic Aura up. The only other buffs I maintain are Clarity, Intellectual Superiority & Brilliance.
This is all from practical experience and not hearsay.
Caladinie Tindomerel, 48th season High Elf Enchantress of the guild of the Iron Rose - Antonius Bayle
For starters Jade is by no stretch of the imagination the hardest common gem to work with. The jewellers in both Shadowhaven and Firiona Vie stock pearl, Topaz, Peridot, Emerald, Opal, Star Ruby, Fire emerald, Sapphire & Ruby ALL of which are progressively higher trivial by metal than Jade.
As for cost of jewelery, I reckon I am now slightly in profit from selling back to the merchant alone! My skill is currently 221 and I'm working on it, at present I get about 1 point skill raise for every 5 stacks of platinum used (Int 196).
To give you an idea of the profit. 1 silver bar (cost 5g2s5c) & 1 ruby (cost 131p2g5s) when enchanted and made up makes a Ruby veil which I can sell back to the merchant for 137p 4g 5s 2c a stomping profit of 5p 6g 7s 7c on something that is trivial at 62. Something like 100pp+ per stack profit with a very low failure rate.
I don't know what I'm doing right. I always cast Benevolance on the trader and keep Sympathetic Aura up. The only other buffs I maintain are Clarity, Intellectual Superiority & Brilliance.
This is all from practical experience and not hearsay.
Caladinie Tindomerel, 48th season High Elf Enchantress of the guild of the Iron Rose - Antonius Bayle
You are a little off on what you are saying Wag. There is a GUARANTEED 5% fail rate on ANY jewelry you make, one failure a stack. So, if it is 5p 6p 7s 7c per success, that is... 107p 8g 6s 3c per 19 successes, but you lose... 131p 7g 7s 5c from the guaranteed failure. So, all in all, you would LOSE 23p 9g 1s 2c per 20 attempts. That is not exactly a profit. But if you sold ONE of those 19 to a player (which, to my experience, is nearly impossible due to the price) for 200pp, which I think is the going rate for Silver Ruby Veils, you will actually churn out a small profit of 116p 4s 9c compared to your starting funds to buy a stack of the silver bars and rubies, 2635p 5g. If anyone finds a mistake in my math, please tell me, but if I am right it would take a very long time to make very much money doing it that way, and you would LOSE money the way you proposed, Wag.
I'm not trying to flame you, I am just trying to protect the other jewelcrafters out there from making a mistake that would cost them, considering we are almost all poor in the first place. :)
I'm not trying to flame you, I am just trying to protect the other jewelcrafters out there from making a mistake that would cost them, considering we are almost all poor in the first place. :)
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I agree completely, You are doing nothing wrong,this works exactly as describred tho i only knew i was making 5 plat per and failing once every other stack..however that fail is a 131pp fail....expensive fail and if you only do it once out of 40 attempts you still make money....but imagine recovering from 2 fails....luck be with you. I will sell the "commen Junk" to those that need it, I charge 20pp per gold and any gem combo up till jade, all while camping mobs making exp and picking up loot...skill 186 and still making modest profits everyday
I am an ogre, my skill is 64 in Jewelery, I am a warrior, I got enough equiptment and got my CHA up to 150 max (from 37) and INT up to 110 (from 70). So, if you are a class or race with a low intelligence, expect to drop as much as 3k getting CHA/INT items, and when you're ready to make the thing you want (for me its Phanton Rings and Earrings of Might), sell all your INT stuff (unless you plan to pursue a new skill) and buy WIS stuff so you don't fail.
Anyway, wish me luck all! :)
Anyway, wish me luck all! :)
Scholar
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Hmmm, I'm not sure what exactly Phantom Rings and Earrings of Might are, but they don't appear on any jewelcraft lists that I have (unless of course, on your server, you guys gave those names to certain jewelry pieces...I guess "Velium Jade Ring" is a bit plain...Phantom Ring sounds better).
I beleive you may want to re-check those items you listed and make sure that they are, in fact, made through jc.
Also, my friend I'd like to warn you that although it may have seemed easy getting to 64 in skill, getting up through the 80s, and through the 100s is HARD. 110 Int is really not going to help you much more than 70 Int. Both figures are way on the low side. Expect to spend about triple what a high Int player will spend.
150 Charisma is a bit overboard. At 120, you will already get the best prices from vendors.
The thing that strikes me odd is, though, why did you spend 3K on Cha and Int items, in order to raise a skill which will take another fortune to raise, in order to make a couple of items? Wouldn't you be better off simply BUYING those items? I'm certain that Velium Blue Diamond Bracers, the most expensive jeweler-made item by far, is definitely not more than 3K on any server (excepting the PvP servers).
I wish you luck, but I strongly recommend you rethink your course of action.
I beleive you may want to re-check those items you listed and make sure that they are, in fact, made through jc.
Also, my friend I'd like to warn you that although it may have seemed easy getting to 64 in skill, getting up through the 80s, and through the 100s is HARD. 110 Int is really not going to help you much more than 70 Int. Both figures are way on the low side. Expect to spend about triple what a high Int player will spend.
150 Charisma is a bit overboard. At 120, you will already get the best prices from vendors.
The thing that strikes me odd is, though, why did you spend 3K on Cha and Int items, in order to raise a skill which will take another fortune to raise, in order to make a couple of items? Wouldn't you be better off simply BUYING those items? I'm certain that Velium Blue Diamond Bracers, the most expensive jeweler-made item by far, is definitely not more than 3K on any server (excepting the PvP servers).
I wish you luck, but I strongly recommend you rethink your course of action.
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Phantom jewelry he mentioned is from a line of Legends only jewelry. Gotta collect a buncha odd stuff and do special combines. There are 3 types of jewelry fro,m this.. basicly catering to the diff classes, tank, int caster, wis caster. Then there are also different levels of those jewelry (if i remember correctly).. like you make the easiest of the type you like, then later when your skill is better you can combine it with the nextr specially prepared metal to upgrade it... or somthing liek that.
Its all NO DROP tho... and really this was all the rage on legends like a year+ ago... dont even hear of it anymore /shrug.
Its all NO DROP tho... and really this was all the rage on legends like a year+ ago... dont even hear of it anymore /shrug.
I am a casual jeweler (ENC) and that's all I ever aspire to be. I have not found any market for silver +2 enhancements, but they are LOVELY gifts for a really good group member and will put you on a friend list quickly. ;) From that perspective, this is what I've learned so far:
1. Do try to bank up some training points and train as many as possible up to 20 in jewelcraft. I did this, as well as trading future skills and some cash to a higher lvl chr to borrow equipment to raise my INT and wisdom to 115 and 114, and had good luck almost from the get go. I started with Cat's Eye agate too, save a bit of money and skip over the trivial ones. I am also cautious and casual, in no rush to run up the ranks.
2. Everything you've read about the Random number generator being flakey is TRUE. if you're on a good roll, keep going! Like any other gamble, use your sense if it seems you're failing too much.
3. Some stones just don't like you. I cannot do jasper things. I don't know why. In 20 attempts, I've made 2 even though it's trivial to me.
4. I've done jewel with the "Legacy..." book open, closed, standing, sitting, while praying to every god I know, I don't see a significant difference. Find your groove and stay in it if it works for you, but realize it IS still random.
5. If you are an ENC and plan to sell back, do an experiment with two of the same stones. Enchant one, but not the other. When you sell back, see where you get a higher price. I have had it go both ways. This may just be me as a HIE in a human city though.
As far as progression of stones, this is what I've *read*, not tried yet as I am slow.
Silver
Train to get up to cats eye agate(22). Do all stones until triv up to jade(40)I've done this and it has worked well. I'm just about to move into Electrum
Electrum
Malachite (74) Everything I've read indicates these metal jumps are where you spend the majority of your plat, you fail A LOT.
Go with Electrum until Emeralds(118) You can call yourself "Master Jeweler" now too. ;)
Gold
Again up to Emerald, expect a lot of failures at Malachite though.
Estimates I've seen say it takes 5000-10,000pp to get to 200. The vast majority of this (90%) is spent at the metal cross-overs and from 150-190.
As I said, I'm a casual one and doubt I'll ever go above gold/jade.
Maybe a lot of creatures do, but for mid-level characters, Dervish's in West commons and Drakes and minotaurs in Steamfont Mtns drop gems. I also heard spiders on Kunark do, but that far exceeds my level to fight.
1. Do try to bank up some training points and train as many as possible up to 20 in jewelcraft. I did this, as well as trading future skills and some cash to a higher lvl chr to borrow equipment to raise my INT and wisdom to 115 and 114, and had good luck almost from the get go. I started with Cat's Eye agate too, save a bit of money and skip over the trivial ones. I am also cautious and casual, in no rush to run up the ranks.
2. Everything you've read about the Random number generator being flakey is TRUE. if you're on a good roll, keep going! Like any other gamble, use your sense if it seems you're failing too much.
3. Some stones just don't like you. I cannot do jasper things. I don't know why. In 20 attempts, I've made 2 even though it's trivial to me.
4. I've done jewel with the "Legacy..." book open, closed, standing, sitting, while praying to every god I know, I don't see a significant difference. Find your groove and stay in it if it works for you, but realize it IS still random.
5. If you are an ENC and plan to sell back, do an experiment with two of the same stones. Enchant one, but not the other. When you sell back, see where you get a higher price. I have had it go both ways. This may just be me as a HIE in a human city though.
As far as progression of stones, this is what I've *read*, not tried yet as I am slow.
Silver
Train to get up to cats eye agate(22). Do all stones until triv up to jade(40)I've done this and it has worked well. I'm just about to move into Electrum
Electrum
Malachite (74) Everything I've read indicates these metal jumps are where you spend the majority of your plat, you fail A LOT.
Go with Electrum until Emeralds(118) You can call yourself "Master Jeweler" now too. ;)
Gold
Again up to Emerald, expect a lot of failures at Malachite though.
Estimates I've seen say it takes 5000-10,000pp to get to 200. The vast majority of this (90%) is spent at the metal cross-overs and from 150-190.
As I said, I'm a casual one and doubt I'll ever go above gold/jade.
Maybe a lot of creatures do, but for mid-level characters, Dervish's in West commons and Drakes and minotaurs in Steamfont Mtns drop gems. I also heard spiders on Kunark do, but that far exceeds my level to fight.
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Greetings, I have an enchanter and just recently starting making jewelry (skill at 156). I have the plat to back myself up and reach 250.
My question is. How much plat can I expect to generate? I know it varies from server to server. But I'm looking for more of a "ball park" figure.
1kpp a week? 50kpp a week? 1gp a week? Also, do all you grandmaster jewelers ever have problems getting your hands on diamonds and blue diamonds?
Any info would be much appreciated. Thank you.
My question is. How much plat can I expect to generate? I know it varies from server to server. But I'm looking for more of a "ball park" figure.
1kpp a week? 50kpp a week? 1gp a week? Also, do all you grandmaster jewelers ever have problems getting your hands on diamonds and blue diamonds?
Any info would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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My skill level is 205. Spending 3 to 4 hours a week selling jewelry and buying Blue Diamonds, I can make about 3000 to 4000 plat. Other jewelry I dont push as much.
With the inception of the new auction channel, my business can not get any better.
With the inception of the new auction channel, my business can not get any better.
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I am just trying to clear something up. I went to www.eqportal.com and was looking at jewelry recipes and components and such, when i noticed that it had said that enchanting bars to make jewelry is no longer needed, and it does not work. If someone could please help me out and answer this question it would greatly be appreciated.
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You can make jewelery without enchanted bars but it still won't be magic jewelery. I don't know what the site was talking about but my enchant metals spells still work just fine.
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Hello, I'm a 35 wizard following solesuk ro. I just recently perchased the Imbue fire opal spell. This spell, I guess requires a fire emerald as a component, but yields an imbued fire opal upon result. Now I guess when combined with enchanted platinum it yields an Imbued platinum fire opal ring! mana45 wis8 int8 str-8 !!!
I bought one of these from a high lvl wizard i know, but want to know the best way to go about making them for myself. I guess the easiest way is to find a highly skilled enchanter to do it for me, But what skill lvl do they need to attempt this? Also I would like to know what kind of a deal to offer them to do it, so that we both make a fair profit from each other. I guess i would like an idea how much an imbued fire opal sells for first. Then, for example, lets say I gave him/her like 20 opals and they give me a X number of rings for the trade? does this sound like a good plan to anyone???
Basically i need to know the average value of the imbued fire opal, so that i have some leverage to use when working with the enchanter. plz advise. Thank you
Edited, Mon Feb 25 11:28:27 2002
I bought one of these from a high lvl wizard i know, but want to know the best way to go about making them for myself. I guess the easiest way is to find a highly skilled enchanter to do it for me, But what skill lvl do they need to attempt this? Also I would like to know what kind of a deal to offer them to do it, so that we both make a fair profit from each other. I guess i would like an idea how much an imbued fire opal sells for first. Then, for example, lets say I gave him/her like 20 opals and they give me a X number of rings for the trade? does this sound like a good plan to anyone???
Basically i need to know the average value of the imbued fire opal, so that i have some leverage to use when working with the enchanter. plz advise. Thank you
Edited, Mon Feb 25 11:28:27 2002
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Hi there,
I am a lvl 59 enchanter that is 250 in jewelcraft. The thing that is unnique about your situation is that you actually got the spell. A lot of wizards don't take the time for some reason. The platinum imbued fire opal ring I am sure varies in price per server but let me tell you what I know of it. That ring is Deity based. You have to have the Deity Solusek Ro and be a Bard or Wizard to wear it. Its a very custom ring and I do not keep an inventory of that ring at all. Usually if a Wizard wants the ring he/she has the spell and imbues the fire opal themselves and gives me the platinum and stone to make it. Now if proposing to a chanter a deal to try and sell it. Think of this way, the fire opal can be purchased for about 70pp (pending on individual cha) the platinum bar costs about 105pp, so in actuality the chanter would be investing more money into it. Those rings sell for about 5k on my server (if you can ever sell it) but again that varies I am sure from server to server. If you want to make money with this, forget about trying to sell the actual ring and focus on making the imbued fire opal and sell it to a jeweler for 100pp or so. That is a 30pp profit, not bad for casting a spell.
I am a lvl 59 enchanter that is 250 in jewelcraft. The thing that is unnique about your situation is that you actually got the spell. A lot of wizards don't take the time for some reason. The platinum imbued fire opal ring I am sure varies in price per server but let me tell you what I know of it. That ring is Deity based. You have to have the Deity Solusek Ro and be a Bard or Wizard to wear it. Its a very custom ring and I do not keep an inventory of that ring at all. Usually if a Wizard wants the ring he/she has the spell and imbues the fire opal themselves and gives me the platinum and stone to make it. Now if proposing to a chanter a deal to try and sell it. Think of this way, the fire opal can be purchased for about 70pp (pending on individual cha) the platinum bar costs about 105pp, so in actuality the chanter would be investing more money into it. Those rings sell for about 5k on my server (if you can ever sell it) but again that varies I am sure from server to server. If you want to make money with this, forget about trying to sell the actual ring and focus on making the imbued fire opal and sell it to a jeweler for 100pp or so. That is a 30pp profit, not bad for casting a spell.
I am a skill of, about, um, 45, and I have spent over 200p! This is a very expencsive skill, no matter how you do it, as for non Enchanter PCs, Dont Enchanter untill into mid silver, or later. Some Enchanters give it for free all the time, or maybe some NEED donations, I say there selling there mana, and its worth about as much a breeze donation, possibly much more.
Natem Shadowchasing <Gnomads>
Enchanter of the 21st Short beer
Seventh hammer
Natem Shadowchasing <Gnomads>
Enchanter of the 21st Short beer
Seventh hammer
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Enchanting stones takes a bit more mana than casting breeze/clarity. When my enchanter first began enchanting silver she could enchant 4 bars of metal per bar of mana, then it was sit and wait for mana regen, rinse and repeat. How much time would you be willing to spend enchanting for others at that rate?
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Its expensive but pays off in the end. Keep at it. Cost me about 12k total to become skill lvl 250. I have earned my money back Big time. Spend a little money each lvl to increase your skill and basically say to yourself I am going to be broke until I hit lvl 50+ . Then you will start grouping with people that are in need of blue diamond bracers and other high end resist gear. You will make big money in no time.
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