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Posted:Sep 18 2002 at 11:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Send me a tell: Anatasia. I am selling TBB for 1500pp, or an equivelent level enchanter item(s) that I need.
To the goober that thinks AGI is not important. Doesn't realize there is two components to Defense. Damage Mitigation and Damage Avoidance. Monks get Block and Dodge. Which is Damage Avoidance. AGI greatly impacts these two abilities. So yes AC is great to have. But its not the only defense in town. As far as damage output. /duel What an idiot.
Ugh, I hate that people still think this. Agility does NOT help you dodge/block any better. All agility does is give you a minor AC increase (around 1ac per 6 agility, if your agi is over 100). Don't believe me? There's been multiple articles written, and many posts about this. I actually signed up for an account to post, just because of this agi post.
You also didn't mention that Agi. increases Defense skills faster. So lets see....Uhh block, dodge, ect are Defense skills, Uhh, doesn't that help them? Agi and Dex are VERY important in bringing up Your Offense/Defense, so anyone that states "They are worthless" which I hear so often, likely is maxing theirs out at the END of their level, or a level behind, while I'm maxing mine in the first BuB.
you're right on one aspect of agility it does not make you Neo on the matrix,.. however you neglected to reaserch a little further into agility ,... It also effects Movement... yes movement,,. ever wonder why you move slower the more you carry,.. your agility decreases the more you carry, hence slower movement.. so while a strength and spirit of wolf let you move while encumbred,. adding an agiliy buff would be just as effective... 8-) , Nuuet of Terris-Thule
Monks are damage dealers, not great at tanking. But you already knew that. What you probably didnt know is most monks like to up their agility thinking they'll become Bruce Lee or something not realizing that you get about 1 ac for every 6 agi or so (changes when you reach a number divisible by 25 or go above 200). Let me tell you: monks are damage dealers and pullers. Its what you do best, so focus on that. A whopping 8 ac 15 str will help considerably and for only .5 wt this item will be great for you monks out there.
However, i do have 1 question: is this item better than and FBSS -=[FOR SHADOWKNIGHTS]=-? I'm wielding an argent defender atm and i cant make up my mind, +15 str will push my str up to..uhhh...dammit i hate math...192 nautrally. That's ********* However 21% haste will help me from hurting from the 49 delay on my weapon so much and help me get off some of my self-buff lifetap procs more often. So which should i buy next time i visit nfp? Or should i save up for SCHW? I'm level 39 so aquiring some SCHW would take some time.
Haste always comes first, but I'd advise holding off the FBSS and save up for the silver chitin handwraps instead. Now you can use that and your TBB. :)
Hmm... the str will also increase your attack score which will help with landing hits. Balance between number of swings and number of actual hits. Anyone have data on atack score relative to strength increases. My chanter is actually looking at this belt. It's a tasty chunk of strength.
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Posted:Jul 19 2002 at 9:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Who says warriors have to die all the time? If healer is Oom and him and others have failed the group, I say run and save yourself, you or someone else is going to die one way or another, it being better for that someone else to die.
Ugh, i have a 35 warrior, and dying is a part of the game. i die not often, but i die, its inevitable, if i were leading a group and you ran out, its simple DISBAND. call me old fashioned but you dont run out on your group.
If you just can't win a battle, a Tank's job is to taunt the mobs to permit to others to go to safety. WHEN they are safe you can run, but that is unlikely.
Monks are not the best meleers, tanks regular weapons at lvl 60 should do at least 200-300 dmg with double attack and such, delay makes it faster, instead of waiting every 5 seconds to kick for 300 and do small hunks of damage in between. Plus most of those weapons that hit for 200-300 also do mad procs which make up for alot. So yeah monks are good... unless they are lvl 60.
Rogues and monks deal more damage than warriors do my friend. Lots more. Our role as tanks is to do just that- take the beating for others and deal a little damage too.
sigh, I don't know which monks you have been playing with but you are either simply making things up or have been around some sad monks. This post is almost as stupid as it is unnecessary, please refrain from monk bashing in a thread regarding an item, either you like it or you don't. post the value of the item not the value of a character class.
Small hunks my *** Monks aquire dual wield at level one, and therefore are able to use it more than any other class. At level 46, I have dual wield maxxed, meaning that i use my offhand 78% of the time. I have a goranga spiked club, damage/delay 12/23, and am using my fist in my off hand, 13/31. Throw in a SCHW and an average regular kick of about 80-90 every 6 seconds, and i'd like to see a similarly equipped and leveled warrior do that much damage.
So there I was, hanging out in the room before ***/Sup with my group, waiting for ***/Sup to open up and deciding what we wanted to do in the meantime.
Along runs a little gnome rogue with the Supplier on him. Little gnome isn't doing too well, and before I can ask "Do you need help?", he dies, leaving us to finish off the supplier, which we did with ease.
"What does he drop?", the other SK in the group asks. "Thick Banded Belt," I say, "but very rarely." Whack, whack, down goes Ghoul Supplier.
I bend down to loot, and - hello! - there it is, the TBB. I go ahead and loot it, nobody else in the group wants it, and so it's mine by default. Woot!
Rolled in on the camp and supplier was up - took him down first because someone kept screaming "Kill the named mob" when it was all over we looted him and he had the belt - won the roll and now my 39 Troll SK is that much closer to a 200+ STR.
I'll sell mine for 3K on Solusek Ro server if anyone is interested. I have a FBSS as well, and I'm not sure which one I really wanna keep and use. I like the Haste from the FBSS...but I also like the extra strength from the TBB...any ideas?
Palledine Cryptwarden Holy Paladin of Erollisi Marr Palledine@hotmail.com
Well, if you think of it like this... FBSS has 21% haste, that (assuming you are a pure melee) makes you do 21% more damage. 15 extra str doesnt do that for you.
First off.. this isnt worth 3k, if you want the price, click the blue letters that say Pricing Info and look at them.... Its worth about 1k now, maybe a little more. Anyways, I've had so many outfits you would think I'm playing for the wrong team (shhhh), and STR does not do that much for you. The most obvious thing is the better wieght, and that litterally is the most obvious. For every about 10 str you have it adds like 1 or 2 dmg, pretty cruddy really, my main being a pally, I'd probobly take sta/str equally just for extra HPs. Haste is rabid though. 2 ways to look at it, A) Cuts ##/100 off of your weapon's delay, or B) Reverse it and it adds ##% to your weapon's damage (of course its really taking off delay but the ratio ends up beign the same.) FBSS is 21%, that would be just about 1/5, so either your weapons do 121% damage or cut 1/5 off your delay, either way you can see its alot better then 1 or 2 damage. I doubt anybody is going to read this, but I spanked your grandpa with a paddle, cya!?
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Posted:Jun 14 2002 at 6:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This guy must have lost his mind, I will take, have taken and will remain to take the TBB over FBSS. The FBSS sucks, I have duels many of warriors with FBSS, and I had TBB and I have beaten all of them. We basically had the same weapons also. You must also think more on the line of AC. What do warriors need? STR, and AC. And a Pally c'mon who uses a pally, they suck, they are only good to save the caster with their Layhands. Pally's blow, I have played quite a few Chars and of all of them, I refuse to play a Pally. So back to the point, Warriors, tanks, need AC and STR, the FBSS what's it's ac? Oh that's right 0, and whats the str +? Oh once again, NONE, so it all proves the point that the FBSS is worthless compared to the TBB. That's why the TBB sells for more still.
hmm lemme think u r obviously not very clever if u think 15 str makes up for 21% haste u will hit for maybe 1 or 2 more dmg with tbb with fbss u will hit more times with the weapon u r using and i would think that ur dmg output should be better than 1 or 2 dmg but if you couldn`t grasp this idea i think u might have traded ur weapon for some 5dmg 40dly weapon seeing as u do not notice the obvious even if all the information is right infront of u
lemme also say it is not just ur weapons and belt slot it could be there whole invent tro have a fair test u need the same invent same lvl same stats and a person with fbss and a person with tbb but u didn`t even think about that now did u
First of all you are obviously a newb. Although i do agree wit TBB being bttr than FBSS. Pallies do not suck. I found the ability to tank and heal a great plus. Over all any well equiped pally could take down a warrior easily. i have done it myself. Beaten a lvl 38 warrior at lvl 33. a 48warrir at lvl 46 and a 58 warrior at lvl 59. So if you say pallies suck OK. cuz when ur in a duel and the pally stuns and roots yer *** and backs off to heal him self all the way back up, youll be standing there at half hp,rooted waiting to be owned. BUT for the TBB. I camped it last week and we got 2 within 3 hours. No assasin pops. No bag drops. just 2 suppliers. If you really wanna take this easily just get a chanter to Aoe mez as soon as u get in room. If your a pally you dont really need a healer cuz ull probly be proccing enuf to kill them and if ur taking damage just back off and heal. i camped this at 32, with a few other peple 35-40 and soloed it at 49. As for frenzy, i never bothered cuz i like my TBB better. ill wait for the silver chitin gauntlets.
Ok not to be rude but people who say this class beats that class due to duels doesn't undesrstand the point of EQ. A tanks purpose is to maintain agro and absorb damage. A warrior does this much better than a pally because they hit faster with dual wield generally. I don't agree with the guy flaming pallies either...if you don't like a class that you have played you probably weren't playing em right. I think all classes have their uses but the true value of a PC is the ability of a player to use their skills to the best end for the group. Also if I were you I'd keep both items...use the FBSS when you are a secondary tank and use the TBB when you are the main tank.
I am a lvl 46 Shadow Knight. I have the SCHW and the TBB. It is a better combo than anything I can afford. After all you gain 18 AC, 18 Str, and have 22% haste, Plus the other stats of the SCHW.
i might be missing something... but i seem to recall that the amount of haste available on any haste item is determined by your lvl ranging from 2% at lvl 1 to 50% at lvl 49... there is a very large difference between 21% and 50%
The Haste on items doesnt go by lvl, unless its an actual proc'ed buff.. Worn haste has a static amount fixed on.. Fbss being 21% and Schw being around 22%
I've been camping Raster off and on for a couple days now with my 55 monk alt, and if ***/sup isn't camped, I'll head over there to pop those guys. Helps keep my live faction up so I don't get swamped by greenies when I camp at Raster spawn point. I've seen and killed assasin 4 times now, got the dirk 3 out of 4, and I've seen supplier 3 times now, has dropped belt every time. I tell you though, I'd trade it all for just one Raster sighting...
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Posted:Mar 08 2002 at 6:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I haven't been to lguk in forever, 55 bard here that camps everything else and makes bank doing so; I guess i'm lucky...Not that this is a lot of money, but I got one when I zoned in and went up into ***/sup. Bam, there was the *** and 2 other spawns, and I mez'd the supplier, took out the other two, then killed the supp; he dropped the TBB baby. Now I'm going to sell the ****.
I've put in over 28 hours on this camp, and no TBB. ::cry::
The Ghoul Supplier spawns in the middle of the wall, opposite the ladder, in the space between the two groups of barrels. There are two other spawn points in the room: A random ghoul frog (to the left after you come up the ladder), and the Ghoul Assassin (to the right).
Both the Supplier and the Assassin have placeholders, and are rare spawns.
The Thick Banded Belt is most certainly the rare drop from the Supplier. His common drop is the Light Burlap Sack (I've watched several rot).
The Assassin drops the Mask of Deception commonly (camping this room means you'll get a LOT of tells from rogues/bards, asking for looting rights to this mask). His rare drop is the Serrated Bone Dirk. If he's carrying the dirk, you will see it in his primary hand.
The spawn time for this dungeon is almost exactly 28 minutes, although a friend noted last night that the spawn seems to be a "little delayed" when either the Assassin or Supplier is going to spawn. Not sure if that was just a timing error or coincidence, but it's interesting to note.
Between spawns, you can pull frogs from the surrounding area quite easily. The pathing here is quite good, and you'll notice a handy thing: Once the puller returns up the ladder to the room, there will be a brief delay, and then *POOF* the frog will appear directly on top of the puller. The puller should use this to best advantage by positioning themselves in the best spot for others to fight the mob. Remember to Snare/Root the frogs, though, because when they run they'll jump down the ladder and head for the bridge (with the gargoyles, wizards, and knights).
One other thing: VERY rarely, a fourth spawn will happen in this room, and it will be a Basilisk (although a tough level 30ish one). Not sure how the heck that happens, but I've seen it happen twice.
I was soloing in LGuk at level 32 (thank you Luclin for such a fine line of undead spells) when some desperate group in *** Sup needed a melee to round out their group and I was the only one in the zone that wasn't already in another farm group. Well, I IU'ed myself and ran to the room where there were at least 20 people sitting around, waiting for spawns.
One high level cleric (level 60 I believe) was rezzing and buffing everyone there for the right to loot the first dirk to drop. Needless to say, Mr. Sup spawns and everyone jumps on it. Cleric lands the final blow (and most damage), and announces that the TBB is available to the highest roller.
I rolled an 89 and won... out of a room full of people 40+. There were some in the room that said that I didn't deserve it and tried to ninja my precious cargo. Eventually it was given to me anyway.
I was in LGuk just trying to get some EXP (I levelled that night too, hehe), and ended up with this fine waist item. Sometimes it pays to be the luckiest summabeech paladin this side of Kaladim.
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Posted:Jan 28 2002 at 4:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are right, we do all hate you because you are a moron. First of all, you said 20+ people in room to start with, why would they desperately need a melee? Second, you later change it to 40+ when i doubt even 10 could comfortably fit in ***/sup. At lvl 50 i could solo ***/sup as a monk, who aren't the best solo, this story is obviously fabricated by somebody with down syndrome. At least make your false stories believable. TBB is not as rare as some people make it sound, after about 5-6 hours straight i got 2 and a light burlap sack, and tons of the rogue masks and dirks dropped too. And I should also add that the dirks suck ***, there is no way a 60 cleric is going to sit there buffing people to get it. So sick of people and their lame lies.
who the hell shoved a bug up yer ***? saying that it was fabricated by someone with down syndrome, jesus, at the beginning he said about 20 peeps in the room, and later said 40+, he was referring to level, second off, i have to agree with taangle, the cleric prolly camped the dirk for an alt, and since it isnt lore, he/she could get a couple dirks to sell. and how you got 2 tbb's is just pure luck, the drops are random ya never know when something's gonna drop (unless you have show-EQ), THIRD, monks ARE the best melee in the game, i know all ya flamers are gonna say tanks are, but ever seen a monk land a thunderous kick for 300+ damage? and they hit for 30-50 each while quading? ultimate melee shiat there, but anyway back to the point, no one hates him, everyone hates you, i bet yer the facking moron of the server, n00b/EBayer and pisser offer of everyone, get killed
First off, make sure of what you were reading. He said he was in a room of about 20 people, 19 ain't too far from that. And he said they were people 40+, not 40+ people. I'm thinking in terms of level here. Secondly, since the dirk is a Rogue only item, unless I'm reading it wrong, it sounds like the cleric was camping it for an alt. And since it also seems to be a fairly common rare drop (yes I know thats a contradiction) it'd be something I'd want for an alt character. Jaysus, lighten up.
I got lucky. It only took my 47th Necro two 4 hour sessions to get the supplier to drop this baby. It is a very nice belt. And with the new Luclin undead spells, camping Lower Guk has just become MUCH easier. When a Froggie Ghoul pops up, just send pet, cast undead slow, darkness, undead nuke, undead nuke, and then sit to med while your pet mops up.
I got lucky. It only took my 47th Necro two 4 hour sessions to get the supplier to drop this baby. It is a very nice belt. And with the new Luclin undead spells, camping Lower Guk has just become MUCH easier. When a Froggie Ghoul pops up, just send pet, cast undead slow, darkness, undead nuke, undead nuke, and then sit to med while your pet mops up.
Took me two tries to get this UBER item...also got 3 light burlap sacks for my teammates (got mine my first try). At the same time we pulled the sage, executioner and evil eye to get their drops as well. Second times the charm...got this after the second spawn of the supplier, the assasin kept dropping only the mask and i was grouped with a wizard, 2 warriors and me a paladin so no one was able to benefit from it. Hehehe...never give up hope the paladin who was trained out of the camp site said he camped for over 8 hrs with no TBB. Lucky me I got it since the rest of my teammates got an FBSS already so I was the only one lacking but with this belt and its +15str increase I can hit for over 120 now with my ACG. HOORAH!!!
Ok, heres the deal. The TBB is an uber rare drop. NBG only applies in guk groups if its stated at the form of the group. If the group already existed then its your job to find out loot before joining.
Everything in guk can be camped by a group of low to mid 40s if they group is balanced right. IE, don't try to take frenzy with a 4 lvl 40 tanks and a drood or shammy healer and a nuker.. the healer will go oom, the nuker will aggro suicide, and everyone will die. No fun at all.
Guk is a great zone, not a zone for inexperienced players though, so if you're planning on going, go with someone thats been before, and take a map of your own, so when people tell you about reference points, you know what the look like.
Ok... now I'm hearing very conflicting prices for this on Rallos. Someone told me 1.2-1.5k for it. Was he trying to lowball me or is this what the belt really sells for now?
And almost a year later (not sure how I ended up on this old post hehe) TBB is 1800-2kish and FBSS is usually 3k; 2-3k during prime time bazaar hot competition hours and sometimes higher.
Edited, Tue Oct 15 06:05:56 2002
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It wouldn't surprise me. Lots of things are like that on Rallos. For instance, FBSS only goes for ~3.5k instead of ~8k that you would find on most other servers.
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Posted:Jun 15 2001 at 10:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well i am a 53 druid and i am camping tbb right now on my other computer i damn need one cause i am always overweight too much farming ( I love farming and I totally support farming)
You're level 53 and have a Str buff for how many points? Something along the lines of 45? You can teleport to within 10 seconds of the Rivervale bank in Misty Thicket and gate back to your dungeon after selling. I play a druid alternate and realize that druids dont have alot of strength but at your level encumbrance is not a problem for you and if it were it'd benefit you 10 times more to get the suppliers common drop which is a weight reduction bag. What you want is the cash you're gonna get for selling it or to twink it down to your newbie tank.
This in itself isnt an argument against you farming it and if camps are open AND nobody that is the appropriate level to get EXP there wants it then you should certainly go for it. However, I'm not for a single person using up a camp that is made for a full group. Get yourself to Sebilis or somewhere and loot something thats worth twice as much!
Whether you are entitled to camp it under traditional rules and whether its ethically correct for you to do so to the detriment of others are two different questions.
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Posted:Jun 19 2001 at 10:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I agree, farming is ok, people need to be less jealous that you got a camp they wanted and shut up about it
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Posted:Jul 02 2001 at 8:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Man! can't wait to grow up and be like you... Show off my abilities to the lowbies in the area... Just to prove I am all powerful...
I haven't farmed, as of yet, but I have solod different mobs, for my own items. There is no reason NOT to farm items. I presently am a lvl 52 enc, and have gone into MM. There was no way I could have done that alone at any time, and on my server it's usually dead in there.
Yeah, its okay for a guild to claim a spot and set up pharm detail on that spot. I enjoy a game where parts of it are "owned" by certain people and if I want to adventure there I have to wait for my turn, which will never come. I like being yelled at for KSing because I got agroed while walking through a dungeon and killed the mob to keep myself from dying. I enjoy having to shout "camp check" in every place I go to so as not to interrupt anyone's all important pharm camp. Yes, these are the things we all enjoy.
Just traded the rbf for this. Thought the guy was joking when he offered it to me in a trade. Anyway, on Rallos I've heard values ranging from 4k- 8k. My guess would be 5k as the standard here. Just my 2 cents.