Ruins of Kunark
Ok, first of all.... get a grip.
VI do us all a favor and make the items class specific... would solve aot of problems, make it no drop, solve more problems.
I have lost 5 rolls on RBGs ALL to casters.
First of all, any caster, like the <edited> druid below... should never roll on this when a melee is there that could immediately use it.
Say a 15 wis belt drops that's all all, but no hast, and no AC, and you're a druid/cleric/shammy, and you lose to a warrior? Would you be upset, I am sure you would, especially when the warrior turns and gives you a tell I'll sell it for 50K to ya. Yeah right, you think I camp these items so I can buy them from you? I don't think so.
If the item were class specific and no drop would there ever be any contention? NO!
So please, don't be greedy, remeber there are plenty of people out there that have worked long and hard on their characters and could really use that item. So don't be a jerk and play that high and mighty role. It should be NBG... if someone can use immediately, then they get it. If not THEN it should be an all random. End of story.
Runebranded Girdle
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12 posts
Frankly, these arguments do little to nothing to help others decide whether or not group individuals should be able to roll. Tuff.
It's all about greed, whether you're a wizard, a warrior a Ranger or a Druid, you want this item.
Everyone can either use it or sell it and buy something they can use.
Stop the whining already. Your comments will not change anyone's mind.
Regardless, I won this a couple weeks ago, the warrior whined, and I sold it back to him for 20k. I love watching warriors take it up the *** twice. Yes, I'm gay.
It's all about greed, whether you're a wizard, a warrior a Ranger or a Druid, you want this item.
Everyone can either use it or sell it and buy something they can use.
Stop the whining already. Your comments will not change anyone's mind.
Regardless, I won this a couple weeks ago, the warrior whined, and I sold it back to him for 20k. I love watching warriors take it up the *** twice. Yes, I'm gay.
Guess what...as a necro, this is still an upgrade to my 4ac, 10hp/10mana belt. I would immediatyly wear it. I guess that is why it has the classes it does on it ALL/ALL
BTW, would you let me NBG it? After all, it is MUCH better than what i have now at level 54. I highly doubt it.
I am not being greedy. Like you I have worked long (94 day played) and hard to get the stuff i have. I would wear this in a heart beat over what i have.
BTW, would you let me NBG it? After all, it is MUCH better than what i have now at level 54. I highly doubt it.
I am not being greedy. Like you I have worked long (94 day played) and hard to get the stuff i have. I would wear this in a heart beat over what i have.
The only problem with this not every uses items they say they will. RBG drop off krups. The kitchen/dining hall seems to have the most krups, never done the disco area personally.
To date I have never seen a RBG drop. Bard arms, rog stuff lots of seb scale peices. Most drops noone can use, except to sell or twink. Besides Tstaff and RBG most is junk. Why should a whole group of people you don;t know fight to get that tank or monk an item. Caster spells are really expensive, if your not in a large guild most level 60 spells are unattainable. Therefore they cost alot of money.
9/10 groups in seb are pickup groups. I have a hard time defaulting items NBG to strangers. Many times they turn around and sell the items they default. Really hard to force NBG, or CAWU when you don;t know if they will or not use the item.
I am a CAWU person normally. All depends on with who or where I am grouped. I can honestly say as 60 cleric I have lost more items to tanks that I would have used, then won tank items that they needed. Earring of purity and that nice veil near herby in chardok both immediately come to mind.
Loot rules should be agreed upon before you ever kill the first mob. Waiting till after an item drops is silly. Let everyone know what to expect on loot before items drops so they can leave before a disagreement occurs. It just causes problems if you don;t set guidelines down first.
To date I have never seen a RBG drop. Bard arms, rog stuff lots of seb scale peices. Most drops noone can use, except to sell or twink. Besides Tstaff and RBG most is junk. Why should a whole group of people you don;t know fight to get that tank or monk an item. Caster spells are really expensive, if your not in a large guild most level 60 spells are unattainable. Therefore they cost alot of money.
9/10 groups in seb are pickup groups. I have a hard time defaulting items NBG to strangers. Many times they turn around and sell the items they default. Really hard to force NBG, or CAWU when you don;t know if they will or not use the item.
I am a CAWU person normally. All depends on with who or where I am grouped. I can honestly say as 60 cleric I have lost more items to tanks that I would have used, then won tank items that they needed. Earring of purity and that nice veil near herby in chardok both immediately come to mind.
Loot rules should be agreed upon before you ever kill the first mob. Waiting till after an item drops is silly. Let everyone know what to expect on loot before items drops so they can leave before a disagreement occurs. It just causes problems if you don;t set guidelines down first.
I totally agree. Loot rules should be made before killing anything...say need before greed before the tank specific or caster specific item drops and people can't complain. Personally i think if you don't personally know the people or if they are not in your guild you should roll for every item dropped(unless no drop of course). Even though i normally play my sk and back when i was trying to get the fbss i lost the sucker many times to casters but they were there for the same thing that i was so how could i say need before greed without being most obviously greedy myself.
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Posted: Feb 09 2002 at 11:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) if you help kill it you get to roll NBG ya right.. im sorry im being unfair if its no drop..and only one class can use fing NBG is fine.but this item says all/all thats why im a druid selling a RBG.I looted and they said only the warrior and monk could roll what ever if it was not for me they wouls have died the leader said NBG ya i need i need to sell this for beter stuff i helped with the kill.anyway I put up a fight and the leader said fine we can roll.Hey i looted it i couls have jsut wlaked off with it.but i was nice and we rolled and I won the monk and warrior and pally i think left the group as soon as they saw that i won.=) O and all died on the way out...should never try to fight when your mad you always end up making a mistake..any i was laughing all the way to the bank after i sold this.to a guy at the entrance man my group was pissed. but hey like I said if you help you get to roll..
I'd like to think that all grps are NBG, untill there is a problem. /RAN seems to remedy the situation very nicely. When I get a p/u grp together, I guess it is called, I tend to think of the mutual benefits of all.
I would also have a tendancy to modify the NBG scenario as follows.
If an item drops that is immediately usable by a member of the grp, I would offer them 1st dibbs. (_assuming_ we all are NICE people) If they really don't care, it goes to my grp. They can decide if one person may need/want it. If noone in particular NEEDS it then we can roll over it.
In the end, all items are usable in some way, except no drops, and the person who can MOST EFFECTIVELY/EASILY use that item, I would offer to 1st. (Especially if that person could use the item to enhance the group's efforts! Duh)
Again, this is only in p/u grps that I supervise. Although, as a Wizard on the Vaz. server, I have a tendancy to overlook the illogical rantings of greedy organizims.
I would also have a tendancy to modify the NBG scenario as follows.
If an item drops that is immediately usable by a member of the grp, I would offer them 1st dibbs. (_assuming_ we all are NICE people) If they really don't care, it goes to my grp. They can decide if one person may need/want it. If noone in particular NEEDS it then we can roll over it.
In the end, all items are usable in some way, except no drops, and the person who can MOST EFFECTIVELY/EASILY use that item, I would offer to 1st. (Especially if that person could use the item to enhance the group's efforts! Duh)
Again, this is only in p/u grps that I supervise. Although, as a Wizard on the Vaz. server, I have a tendancy to overlook the illogical rantings of greedy organizims.
Scholar
16 posts
You are a rare flower, group with me anyday.
I'd love to group with you. I have yet to meet someone outside the game ('cept for RL friends) and then meet up in game. I do have a Newbie Necro on the FV server. I have not played him in months tho.
LOL 59 Shammie here again,
Won my second RMG and being total stupid, gave it away to a Guidlie that has wanted this item for a very long time.
Darn it anyway..... If I would have just kept it and sold both these RMGs that I have won, I would have a nice heathly bank account instead of just 14k in normal loot.
Oh well..... Next time in SEB gonna keep it if the Gods decide to let me win it if it drops again.
Do you all think that this would be the best thing for me to do? Or once again follow NBG for the next (3rd) RMG drop?
And thankyou for the excellent scoring you gave me on my first post on this RMG :)
Lov you all :))
Edited, Tue Jan 22 05:35:56 2002
Won my second RMG and being total stupid, gave it away to a Guidlie that has wanted this item for a very long time.
Darn it anyway..... If I would have just kept it and sold both these RMGs that I have won, I would have a nice heathly bank account instead of just 14k in normal loot.
Oh well..... Next time in SEB gonna keep it if the Gods decide to let me win it if it drops again.
Do you all think that this would be the best thing for me to do? Or once again follow NBG for the next (3rd) RMG drop?
And thankyou for the excellent scoring you gave me on my first post on this RMG :)
Lov you all :))
Edited, Tue Jan 22 05:35:56 2002
19 posts
As an enchanter, I would go NBG if the tanks in my group were my friends and I knew that the haste they were getting would continue to benefit me because of helping them kill faster. And my regular group is always NBG because we have ground out 40 or so of our respective 52 levels together.
However, if I am in a pickup group, it is all roll or the group can continue their Seb grind with no crowd control. I won't even join pickup groups unless it is all roll. Everyone should have an equal shot if gear isn't class-specific and NO DROP.
The good news is that in Sebilis, if one group won't take me because of NBG, another group will eventually show up that will be happy to go all-roll. I imagine as a shaman, it is similar to that.
However, if I am in a pickup group, it is all roll or the group can continue their Seb grind with no crowd control. I won't even join pickup groups unless it is all roll. Everyone should have an equal shot if gear isn't class-specific and NO DROP.
The good news is that in Sebilis, if one group won't take me because of NBG, another group will eventually show up that will be happy to go all-roll. I imagine as a shaman, it is similar to that.
Scholar
22 posts
I wonder....if an AC1 500mana robe/BP that was all/all dropped, would you still feel that way if a warrior wanted to roll on it? Obviously the RBG is a melee friendly item and there are TONS of better caster gear out there. My problem is, I go to OS SPECIFICALLY to get this item, and I lose 5 rolls on it to casters that just want to make their bank bigger. I'm not trying to twink an alt with it, I want to immediately put this in place of my smiters girdle. I'm using SCH's now, and I would gladly hand them over to someone that would let me NBG this item. I think of all the times I've held mobs on me to let group get out or to get an evac off, only to die and lose exp. Then they slap me in the face by wanting to just sell an item that I'd be wearing until I was 60 or so...
A friend of mine lost the roll to an enchanter once, the enchanter said he wanted to wear it /boggle(at that lvl you can solo 10 different mobs to get MUCH better items than this for an enchanter), anyway a couple days after the incident, he gave a tell to a guildmate of the enchanter saying that he heard that the enchanter was selling a RBG and that if he still had it, my friend would like to buy it....a few minutes went by and he got a tell back saying "He already sold it yesterday in EC, sorry dude, if he gets another one, I'll let you know...he gets like 2 or 3 a week."
A friend of mine lost the roll to an enchanter once, the enchanter said he wanted to wear it /boggle(at that lvl you can solo 10 different mobs to get MUCH better items than this for an enchanter), anyway a couple days after the incident, he gave a tell to a guildmate of the enchanter saying that he heard that the enchanter was selling a RBG and that if he still had it, my friend would like to buy it....a few minutes went by and he got a tell back saying "He already sold it yesterday in EC, sorry dude, if he gets another one, I'll let you know...he gets like 2 or 3 a week."
Problem is, the item you are talking about doesn't exist. RBG is a guaranteed 30k to whoever wins the roll. Who would say they couldn't use an extra 30k? If there were a caster item that was worth that much and was attainable in a pick-up group, I would say that should be an everyone-rolls item. Prety much everything else in Seb is randomed in every group I've ever been in, whether it be Bonecaster's robe or Lamentation. And I've lost the Bonecaster's robe to a Melee, btw.
I agree with everything but one thing: you go to OS specifically to get an RBG? They are like 1/1,000,000 why the hell would you so waste your time? You go to seb for some of the best exp in any zone, and the loot is extra. going into one of the best xp zones in the game purely for loot sounds pretty selfish to me. I have been to seb many times, never seen a single RBG drop, so I sold my helm of raldukan when I picked up champions helm, took the 20k cash from that tossed in a sash of the dragonborn and picked one of these up. Haste difference between RBG and SoDB is negligeable, but 5 ac 8str/dex/sta and 35 hp/mana is definately going to help a lot. I dont think you should go to seb for the express reason to get an item, cuz 99/100 times you will be sadly disappointed.
Grendon, 54 Ogre Warrior
Bristlebane Server
Grendon, 54 Ogre Warrior
Bristlebane Server
11 posts
First of Need Before greed is the only way to go CAWU.. IF casters/Druid Clerics think they shou;d roll on this item, then those one would never be in a group with me.. When I got on Hate Raid 6 time and See nothing, but Cleric and caster drop on first floor and then they claim they don't get anything.. BAh.. After First floor most Wizards/Droods seem ready to go.. No loot for them anymore.. If not for the tank that need second floor.. YOu wouldn't have got your first floor loot.. So it all works out.. Deal with it.. CAWU..
21 posts
Heh heh The stupid NBG argument again. There is a time and place for NBG but not in all situations like some people like to preach. It's all been said before so i won't get into that. There are some places that drop mainly tank type gear and as a general rule, most parts of Seb falls into that category. Without the casters you would be sliced, diced and served with a side of potato salad to all the hungry froggies in Seb Mr Pally/Ranger man. You don't want to group with a cleric or druid or shaman or chanter that wants to /random on all loot? Good luck finding a group. If it weren't for the casters who would take care of your dumb ***? Who is going to buff you or heal you or debuff, slow and mez the adds, not to mention evacing if things go bad? Can we say CR? I have this mental picture of you and your perfect group of 6 tanks anywhere in Seb all hunched over putting bandaids on each other while a few Knights are steadily whacking away and the froggie casters are making your red bar a lot whiter. Casters have just as much right to the loot that drops as anyone else in a pick-up group and most of the time that's what you get in Seb unless you come in with your own party...So Deal With It... Glad you posted your name and server so we can all make a character there and laugh at you every chance we get.
BTW Drood armor drops on the 2nd floor of Hate
BTW Drood armor drops on the 2nd floor of Hate
Scholar
26 posts
I totally agree with this guy. I've gone on lots of Hate raids, and as an SK there is NOTHING that I have ever seen worthwhile for me drop there. And yet I still do not hesitate to take 7-8 hours out of my day to go there and help clear out the first floor for hours so that a lot of the casters can get their planar armor and other people can get their no drop equipment. I help on CR's after the break in since I can invis, ivu and FD if I get into trouble, I help pull if there are no monks that could make it or if they die/need to go afk, and all this for what rewards? Nothing. But I still do it because I appreciate the fact that I need to help other people get their stuff so that they will eventually help me get mine.
Fear raids... I go because for the same reasons that I go to Hate raids, but then I get my hopes up because I know I have class specific armor that drops there too. I help on CR's here too and I can help pull as well, and I help a lot of classes get their planar armor drops here. The problem here though is that the SK armor here drops off the Amy Knights, most of which are in the temple. 9 times out of 10 on a Fear raid the temple is the last area pulled, and unless the entire zone is being cleared for a CT kill (which none of my raids have been aimed towards), most of the people are not willing to eat up all the HT's and go to the trouble of pulling the temple since they've probably already been there a while and are ready to leave. And yet I still go regardless.
So to see this item here go to a caster to sell when I would cherish a haste belt like this, it just brings tears to my eyes (that's right, a follower of Innoruuk crying) because I do so much to help others out and it seems like nobody wants to help me in return. And when it comes down to it... who is more deserving of this belt-the one who spends countless hours camping it and helping other classes get their gear, or the level 20 twink who it is purchased for in EC? Flame me all you want, I know I'm right in my mind.
Akronis Kutskira
52 Reaver
Fear raids... I go because for the same reasons that I go to Hate raids, but then I get my hopes up because I know I have class specific armor that drops there too. I help on CR's here too and I can help pull as well, and I help a lot of classes get their planar armor drops here. The problem here though is that the SK armor here drops off the Amy Knights, most of which are in the temple. 9 times out of 10 on a Fear raid the temple is the last area pulled, and unless the entire zone is being cleared for a CT kill (which none of my raids have been aimed towards), most of the people are not willing to eat up all the HT's and go to the trouble of pulling the temple since they've probably already been there a while and are ready to leave. And yet I still go regardless.
So to see this item here go to a caster to sell when I would cherish a haste belt like this, it just brings tears to my eyes (that's right, a follower of Innoruuk crying) because I do so much to help others out and it seems like nobody wants to help me in return. And when it comes down to it... who is more deserving of this belt-the one who spends countless hours camping it and helping other classes get their gear, or the level 20 twink who it is purchased for in EC? Flame me all you want, I know I'm right in my mind.
Akronis Kutskira
52 Reaver
Scholar
26 posts
I retract my previous post about NBG here... After some more experience with Sebilis groups I now realize that the only way it would be an NBG item is if you maybe go with a guild group and decide beforehand that you are going to try to deck out your tanks. All other OS groups are pickup and so loot is all rolled on, I accept and respect this way of things. Even if a piece of Blood Ember happened to drop, I would not expect it to default to me were I the only SK in group... blood ember is worth a lot of money and thus would still be rolled on by everyone because even casters could use this to sell for better gear themselves.
Yeah some classes need it... but keep going here and maybe eventually you'll get lucky ;) Or if it doesn't work out to you winning the item yourself, perhaps you can roll well on a bunch of other nice cash loots here and over time gain yourself enough money to buy one for yourself ;)
Akronis Kutskira
52 Reaver of Epic Shadows
Yeah some classes need it... but keep going here and maybe eventually you'll get lucky ;) Or if it doesn't work out to you winning the item yourself, perhaps you can roll well on a bunch of other nice cash loots here and over time gain yourself enough money to buy one for yourself ;)
Akronis Kutskira
52 Reaver of Epic Shadows
i dunno about that now,
i'm a shaman, and would love to have this belt, i melee alot and can acually do an o.k. ammount of damage. and i like to duel so i wouldn't mind haveing one. but if class specific(sp?) armor drops and there is one of the class in the group i either A) won't roll or B) will roll and if i win give it to said person.
i might want to roll on an all/all belt that could help me out, but not on class specific, thats ****
Larendan Nitewolf
Coalition of Power
Lanys
i'm a shaman, and would love to have this belt, i melee alot and can acually do an o.k. ammount of damage. and i like to duel so i wouldn't mind haveing one. but if class specific(sp?) armor drops and there is one of the class in the group i either A) won't roll or B) will roll and if i win give it to said person.
i might want to roll on an all/all belt that could help me out, but not on class specific, thats ****
Larendan Nitewolf
Coalition of Power
Lanys
8 posts
Preach it brother! hehe heya Grey :p
anywho, CAWU is the only way to go...
Dhagda
Warrior of Halas
anywho, CAWU is the only way to go...
Dhagda
Warrior of Halas
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Posted: Jan 18 2002 at 1:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) speak in terms everyone can read...I dont' know what a Lammy is and I dont know whatFFA is orNBG orFBCR
2 posts
FBCR = Froglok Bonecasters Robe i believe
yes lamentation is 9 19 6 sta 6 str AND 20 hp... thought id add that.... great warrior weapon... got one myself and a css (12 24 4 str 4 sta 6 int 6 cha... its for the dmg not stats) and about this belt.... I WANT ONE SOO BAD (fbss sux cause id lose 15 str and 8 ac.. with this it would give almost same ac... some of the str some dex sta and 25 hp... most importantly HASTE! /drool also i feel stupid for trading some silver chitin handwraps for the css and plat... but i luv the css too... (shoulda asked for more) :p
Lammy is short for Lamentation (1hand slashing 9 damage 19 delay, 6 strength and 6 stamina I think)
FFA= Free For All (everyone roll on stuff)
NBG = Need Before Greed (ppl that actually are gonna use the item get privilige)
dunno what FBCR means though...
FFA= Free For All (everyone roll on stuff)
NBG = Need Before Greed (ppl that actually are gonna use the item get privilige)
dunno what FBCR means though...
4 posts
dont flame me, but when when in a group are 6 people doing their job, so all the six shall be entitled to roll on items, that drops, cause they ALL made it first possible, that it drops, not only that one, who can use an item.
i dont see any reason why any of the group caster should just silent look how melle are looting all the drops cause its for melee, the same opposite way.
i have just mid level character int caster, priest and a sk, but never understood, why there are always persons, who think they have more rights to loot than the others (pointing a little bit to tanks).
and no, i didnt have too much luck till now with rolls, the items i won are snakeskin jerkin, snakeskin glove and some two hand weapon in LOIL. but i had a chance to roll on some nice items, and once i will sure win.
and i dislike this need before profit word (i saw it first time now, when i saw these posts), cause if someone gets the very expensive item he/she can currently wear, and sells it a bit later, cause he needs money, or cause he gets better one, is just same "greed" when someone loots it, who cant wear the current item, but can sell it, and get some nice item he can wear.
i imagine:
a group with warrior monk druid enchanter rouge cleric, all are fighting healing mezzing etc.
situation NBG rules:
a monster drops this cool belt ( i hope i will get once so high and be able to ROLL for it)
warrior let his/her belt at bank, he/she needs money, and has some other belt on and says he/she needs the belt, he seems to be the one who realy needs it
monk has not such a good item, he/she seems to be the one who realy needs it
rouge has some haste belt, but feels he needs this one, cause of better stats, he feels he realy needs it
enchanter non twink needs badly more resist or whatever wear, this would be the chance for him/her to get some money to be able to buy it, he/she realy needs the items
druid has his tunic now for about 15lvs, and would wish to be able to buy some new one, to get actually that tunic he will never be able to get, cause he is not a member of large guild, he/she realy feel he/she is the one, who needs the item badly
cleric is not his main, but his main is warrior, and he/she feels, this item would be the best for his/her warrior, and because he/she was doing the job good, he/she knows he/she has the same right to want this item
so who is now that one who needs it more?
the warrior who just currently has wronger belt on, but nobody knows it , or monk who dont have such a belt, or rouge who wish to update his haste belt or enchanter or druid who needs an item, they could get selling the belt, or cleric for a warrior?
i suggest all need it and want! realy much, each most for his/her own weightily reason, that means nobody has the right to decide whose need is better, higher or what ever.
thats why i suggest, to ROLL is a fair way to share loot in pickup groups.
the best way is when someone gets an item, he skip roll for the same item when it drops, till everybody who wish to get the item has it, and than the next roll round for all from beginning.
and yes, i wish there would be more treasures to find for us casters, especially in low/mid levels.
rawsilk and splitpaw tunic looks just tedious, and everybody has it...
i dont see any reason why any of the group caster should just silent look how melle are looting all the drops cause its for melee, the same opposite way.
i have just mid level character int caster, priest and a sk, but never understood, why there are always persons, who think they have more rights to loot than the others (pointing a little bit to tanks).
and no, i didnt have too much luck till now with rolls, the items i won are snakeskin jerkin, snakeskin glove and some two hand weapon in LOIL. but i had a chance to roll on some nice items, and once i will sure win.
and i dislike this need before profit word (i saw it first time now, when i saw these posts), cause if someone gets the very expensive item he/she can currently wear, and sells it a bit later, cause he needs money, or cause he gets better one, is just same "greed" when someone loots it, who cant wear the current item, but can sell it, and get some nice item he can wear.
i imagine:
a group with warrior monk druid enchanter rouge cleric, all are fighting healing mezzing etc.
situation NBG rules:
a monster drops this cool belt ( i hope i will get once so high and be able to ROLL for it)
warrior let his/her belt at bank, he/she needs money, and has some other belt on and says he/she needs the belt, he seems to be the one who realy needs it
monk has not such a good item, he/she seems to be the one who realy needs it
rouge has some haste belt, but feels he needs this one, cause of better stats, he feels he realy needs it
enchanter non twink needs badly more resist or whatever wear, this would be the chance for him/her to get some money to be able to buy it, he/she realy needs the items
druid has his tunic now for about 15lvs, and would wish to be able to buy some new one, to get actually that tunic he will never be able to get, cause he is not a member of large guild, he/she realy feel he/she is the one, who needs the item badly
cleric is not his main, but his main is warrior, and he/she feels, this item would be the best for his/her warrior, and because he/she was doing the job good, he/she knows he/she has the same right to want this item
so who is now that one who needs it more?
the warrior who just currently has wronger belt on, but nobody knows it , or monk who dont have such a belt, or rouge who wish to update his haste belt or enchanter or druid who needs an item, they could get selling the belt, or cleric for a warrior?
i suggest all need it and want! realy much, each most for his/her own weightily reason, that means nobody has the right to decide whose need is better, higher or what ever.
thats why i suggest, to ROLL is a fair way to share loot in pickup groups.
the best way is when someone gets an item, he skip roll for the same item when it drops, till everybody who wish to get the item has it, and than the next roll round for all from beginning.
and yes, i wish there would be more treasures to find for us casters, especially in low/mid levels.
rawsilk and splitpaw tunic looks just tedious, and everybody has it...
No, not a flame, just wanted to say what's on my mind. I personally prefer NBG. (Need Before Greed) The fact is there Are money items, no single group can have Every class in it, or sometimes items will drop that nobody wants to use themselves. These are the kinds of items that should be rolled on by all and sold for money. But I just hate it when a warrior with crapy gear can't taunt good/doesn't have good ac, some cleric goes oom too fast trying to heal, etc etc cause they lost the rolls on the stuff they needed. Yes I am a melee myself, I am a warrior. You say there are less caster items than melee items. (except for monks) But have you actually wondered why that is? It's cause they need it less. They do need it alright, but less still. Melee's (again, monks exception) basically ARE their melee. Really, a 55 warrior in full Crafted isn't much better than a 30 warrior. Honest, when I'm on a corpse run, I'd MUCH rather me a whimpy caster with 10hp that can cast Invulnerability, invis, FD, Gate, port, sow or whatever else than be a naked warrior with 2000hp. We have to beg/pay for any kind of help we need, nearly all other classes get some form of spell or ability to help them. Lastly, most casters have some way to earn their livings. Necro's can solo, so they often can camp their own items, ot giants for pp. Wizzies can solo ok, specially giants I think. Clerics can rez. Chanters and mages, I'll have to admit, don't really know about them. Most of them can even Powerlevel peeps for pp. Please don't point at melee's and call them greedy. We're just trying to survive.
Bear this in mind...
Would you have even had an oppurtunity to roll on this if you didnt have a cleric, chanter and wizard/druid in the group?
Would you have even had an oppurtunity to roll on this if you didnt have a cleric, chanter and wizard/druid in the group?
NBG blows for you right up until your in a group and some ubber mob drops that ubber item that is only for your class. When they NBG group your in hands you that item and says congratz man, I bet you sure don't go..."Wait, I don't believe in NBG and I think everyone should roll on this". You would accept it without question. That is called being a hippocrit. So unless your willing to give up that ubber loot they just handed you, then just step off and be quite on this topic.
Personally I believe in NBG and its truly the only way to go on ubber encounters.
Personally I believe in NBG and its truly the only way to go on ubber encounters.
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NBG don't function in pickup groups... Unless it's a NO DROP item.
Consider this, in the Guardian camp in Seb, nothing drops that would benefit any INT caster, or any of the healers. So if all was NBG, whys should they go there?
If a drop is not NO DROP then all rolls for the items, enough said.
I'm a druid, and I once won a Lammy... Sure enough, I have nothing to use it for, EXCEPT sell it to get better equipment myself.
I have seen Shroud of Nature go to a monk once, did I want it then.. Sure did, did I mind that the monk won it.. Nope, I bought it from him after the camp.. So, pickup groups, don't do NBG unless you all feel good about it.
Wildroot Forestrunner
Preserver of Tunare
Celtica
Antonius Bayle
Consider this, in the Guardian camp in Seb, nothing drops that would benefit any INT caster, or any of the healers. So if all was NBG, whys should they go there?
If a drop is not NO DROP then all rolls for the items, enough said.
I'm a druid, and I once won a Lammy... Sure enough, I have nothing to use it for, EXCEPT sell it to get better equipment myself.
I have seen Shroud of Nature go to a monk once, did I want it then.. Sure did, did I mind that the monk won it.. Nope, I bought it from him after the camp.. So, pickup groups, don't do NBG unless you all feel good about it.
Wildroot Forestrunner
Preserver of Tunare
Celtica
Antonius Bayle
Scholar
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I was hoping to find the haste percentage listed here....I have heard everything from 27 to 40 per cent...
Seeing as everyone else here is talking about NBG vs. FFA I may as well throw my 2cp in.
In a group of guildies / allianced folks / or RL / in-game friends I always do NBG.
In a pick-up group I feel that it should be FFA.
Items that will be an improvement to what I am wearing I use, passing on the old gear (free most times, or really cheap if I am broke).
If I can't use it and someone in guild / friend needs it I give it to them or sell it to them at a very reasonable (read disgustingly cheap) price, I rarely (but will) sell it.
I play this game cause I wanna have the best character I can, at the same time helping my guildies and friends do the same.
At the same time, I ain't gonna keep some item that has no use to me when someone in group really wants / needs it, however, the bottom line - groups should decide the loot rules before items drop.
Here's a suggestion that I have done a few times - when I have won items (or been given them in NBG) in groups I have often lottoed off the items I have replaced with the aquisition of the new toy.
Just a few rambling thoughts.
Seeing as everyone else here is talking about NBG vs. FFA I may as well throw my 2cp in.
In a group of guildies / allianced folks / or RL / in-game friends I always do NBG.
In a pick-up group I feel that it should be FFA.
Items that will be an improvement to what I am wearing I use, passing on the old gear (free most times, or really cheap if I am broke).
If I can't use it and someone in guild / friend needs it I give it to them or sell it to them at a very reasonable (read disgustingly cheap) price, I rarely (but will) sell it.
I play this game cause I wanna have the best character I can, at the same time helping my guildies and friends do the same.
At the same time, I ain't gonna keep some item that has no use to me when someone in group really wants / needs it, however, the bottom line - groups should decide the loot rules before items drop.
Here's a suggestion that I have done a few times - when I have won items (or been given them in NBG) in groups I have often lottoed off the items I have replaced with the aquisition of the new toy.
Just a few rambling thoughts.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jan 07 2002 at 2:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) My understanding is that the haste is 30%. Definately a nice upgrade from the FBSS.
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The Haste is rated at 26%. Very nice upgrade from FBSS.
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Ok, I read all through these posts, and the only thing that seemed to make sense (about all the stupid posts saying NBG) was the one that said USABILITY before PROFIT. Yeah, sure, everyone NEEDS 25k, I know I do, so NBG really doesn't make any sense. So stop your whining and try to get along, or go camp somewhere else. It's just a game people, so you lose a roll, big deal, if you ever run into me, take a look at my gear, doesn't look like I've won too many rolls either, I usually roll a 6 or something. Don't see me complaining. If someone else gets it, good for them, if you don't, camp the thing till you get one, or go camp something else. Or save up 25k or whatever and buy one yourself. Anyway, that's my 2cp.
~Feel free to flame me~
Edited, Sun Dec 30 00:19:35 2001
~Feel free to flame me~
Edited, Sun Dec 30 00:19:35 2001
Well,
58 Shammie here on AntB server. Was playing with a pickup group and we had an ML (Druid with X`Agon guild). Well the Gridle dropped and I said Grtz Melee and the Druid stated that this is a FFA roll. I then proprosed that the 2 melee should only roll and they give up thier FBBS so then the remainder could roll on it. She denied this request and we all ended up rolling for it. I then sent a tell to the 2 Melee from the Ninth Legion that if I win I will let them roll on it.
Well guess what??? I won the gridle and kept my word and Heinze from Ninth Legion was very grateful for this gift. But the Druid was furious at me and soon after going LD during a fight in which out chanter died. She left with about 250pp in Group loot and about 2k in gems and a diamond. The remainder stayed to get a rez for the poor chanter which happened 25 mins later.
I found this terrible evil druid and she gave me 255gp as my share. I then asked her about the gems etc..... Opps..... I forgot about them and gave me a 158pp fire emerald ring. I then asked her if she was going to give the remaining loot the to other group members and she told me that she gave them a tell to get ahold of her to get thier share.
Well..... THIS EVIL DRUID has ripped this group off and an earlier report told me she went LD after a BD was dropped never to be seen again.
So as for myself, I am glad that I followed the Need before Greed Rule and made the others in the group believe that there are nice players out there.
GRTZ to HEINZE of the Ninth Legion on AntB server who came out with a SURPIRSE GIRDLE that day :)
58 Shammie here on AntB server. Was playing with a pickup group and we had an ML (Druid with X`Agon guild). Well the Gridle dropped and I said Grtz Melee and the Druid stated that this is a FFA roll. I then proprosed that the 2 melee should only roll and they give up thier FBBS so then the remainder could roll on it. She denied this request and we all ended up rolling for it. I then sent a tell to the 2 Melee from the Ninth Legion that if I win I will let them roll on it.
Well guess what??? I won the gridle and kept my word and Heinze from Ninth Legion was very grateful for this gift. But the Druid was furious at me and soon after going LD during a fight in which out chanter died. She left with about 250pp in Group loot and about 2k in gems and a diamond. The remainder stayed to get a rez for the poor chanter which happened 25 mins later.
I found this terrible evil druid and she gave me 255gp as my share. I then asked her about the gems etc..... Opps..... I forgot about them and gave me a 158pp fire emerald ring. I then asked her if she was going to give the remaining loot the to other group members and she told me that she gave them a tell to get ahold of her to get thier share.
Well..... THIS EVIL DRUID has ripped this group off and an earlier report told me she went LD after a BD was dropped never to be seen again.
So as for myself, I am glad that I followed the Need before Greed Rule and made the others in the group believe that there are nice players out there.
GRTZ to HEINZE of the Ninth Legion on AntB server who came out with a SURPIRSE GIRDLE that day :)
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This shouldn't be a NBG roll, the druid isn't there to get loot for random melee's. What you do with your loot is your choice, and i'm sure he was very greatful, but as i said, NBG in pickup groups is horse ****. /disband
Reox Ironfoot
46 Dorf Pally
Druzzil
Reox Ironfoot
46 Dorf Pally
Druzzil
short and sweet - the game was designed for multiple style's of play, as is evident in the different classes. If someone likes to play NBG then that is their perogative and you can chose to not group with them. It's far from horse s**t as you put it. It is just yet another way to play an amazingly diverse game. Also the druid was very lame to get furious with him for letting the melee's roll. It became his item when he won /ran and he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.
/applaud the shaman for being so kind. :)
/applaud the shaman for being so kind. :)
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i totally agree. as the person above me said, wouldn't you casters ******** about how lame NBG is be pissed if some 5ac 500 mana 25 int/wis robe dropped, and the warrior won? you can use it, but he can sell it for an obscene amount of money and get a good piece of equipment. whenever i get into a group, even if its not NBG, if i win a roll on an item, i will give it to the person that needs it most, and if nobody needs it, then i will take it and sell it for a profit. i applaud the shaman for his acute sense of honor. what is wrong with helping someone out, even if yeh don't know them? you will still be able to get more money at a later time, but why not be nice for once and make someones day. you will end up with a LOT more friends that way, and in the future will be invited to raids, etc. so that you can get your good gear. being nice once in a while will help you out a LOT more in the long run than being a ******* child of innoruuk.
/rude ****** whores who have no respect for other peoples feelings
/rude ****** whores who have no respect for other peoples feelings
#Anonymous,
Posted: Dec 05 2001 at 3:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) haha let me say soemthing here
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I agree with Nurtalbik. Clearly NBG can be abused, and often is I believe. If using open roll and a Warrior is denied a sword, that Warrior always has the option to barter for the item, or wait for a drop and sell it to buy the one they want. The itemazation in EQ seems to be most friendly to melee types, and this leaves other classes in the lurch. NBG is for hunting with friends or guildies. If Crystal Chitin armor drops in Velks, and I need a paw of oppala more than the warrior needs a new set of sleeves for example, then why shouldn't I get the sleeves so I can sell them and get the paw? To me thats NBG, so may as well just use open roll and everyone is happy.
all i can say is if this where to drop in a group i was in i would want my fair roll. not because i'm going to sell it but because i am going to use it! i am a shaman and i melee/solo alot and a haste item (not to mention one with ac,let alone stat +'s) would be killer to have. flame if you like, but i know how i play my shaman, and i play him well.
Larendan Nitewolf
p.s. btw those PoA class haste items rock, wish they would give shamans and lesser version of one.then i wouldn't have to try and buy/camp this kinda stuff :)
Larendan Nitewolf
p.s. btw those PoA class haste items rock, wish they would give shamans and lesser version of one.then i wouldn't have to try and buy/camp this kinda stuff :)
The simple fact is if you are going to camp this mob in hopes of this item dropping, you need to make it clear that the group will not be doing NBG or not NBG. I don't like the term NBG anyway...Its not that casters are greedy, or tanks or anyone for that matter. People want to roll on this item because it is a valuable item. Casters can sell it and buy something useful for themselves. Melee can use it, or casters can Twink their melee with it. I have a War, and I know if I camped this mob, I would want a chance to roll on this item for my war. Yea, he is a twink but he will be very valuable to my guild in the long run and will need nice items like this. I say all pickup groups should be open roll. Unless you all agree NBG. If you get in a NBG group, and don't like it...leave. If you get in a group that is not NBG, and don't like it....leave.
Simple
Alos, NBG doesnt always work. You dont know what people have. What they are using may not be what they have in the bank. Are they playing a twink? Do they camp this spot for just the rare drops and say NBG and then go sell it in EC? Fact is, you dont know.
The only thing I can say NBG on is the class armor drops.
Remember...everyone CAN use a item, weather to put it on themselves, or sell it for something that they can use on themselves.
Simple
Alos, NBG doesnt always work. You dont know what people have. What they are using may not be what they have in the bank. Are they playing a twink? Do they camp this spot for just the rare drops and say NBG and then go sell it in EC? Fact is, you dont know.
The only thing I can say NBG on is the class armor drops.
Remember...everyone CAN use a item, weather to put it on themselves, or sell it for something that they can use on themselves.
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I think it is wrong to think that way. NBG should be in effect for an item such as this. Melee in group if they can USE the item. Should get the item. Not for a caster to twink with or sellin EC. Would be a waste. If a caster item drops well then CASTER gets it.
"I think it is wrong to think that way. NBG should be in effect for an item such as this. Melee in group if they can USE the item. Should get the item. Not for a caster to twink with or sellin EC. Would be a waste. If a caster item drops well then CASTER gets it. "
Compare caster drops vs melee drops sometime...
Compare caster drops vs melee drops sometime...
If you want to compare melee drops to caster drops, let's compare melees to casters as well. ie soloing, damage dealing, versatility. (speaking from a warrior's point of view). We're tanks straight up. we hit and get hit. Look at everything that casters can do compared to that. then try thinking about why there are more melee drops than casters. VI have gone for balance between all races/classes. where on combination lacks, it is made up for in another area. sounds fair to me, but that's just imho. feel free to flame me :P
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I think your being a bit to general about "casters" vs "melee"
I have 2 charecters that I have leveled from scratch, an enchanter on Xev and a warrior on Seventh Hammer untwinked. Enchanter from level 1 to 50 in 57 days played time, warrior 1 to 50 in 5 days played time. I wasn't able to effectivly solo with my chanter after level 12, I soloed to 45 with my warrior easily and had time for some trade skills and faction work besides. If you have something specifically in mind for your arguement please doen't drag all casters down with you. According to some polls I've seen enchanters are viewed as the hardest class to play well, and from what I've played (every classs up to level 35 minimum) this has been true. When I think of loot and grouping, I try to ignore the class entirely, and think about the person at the keyboard. It's about playing with friends, strangers or guildies and every situation is unique.
Chilipepper Heartfyre 53 Warlord Seventh Hammer
Gedal Ogiona 50 Enchanter Xev
I have 2 charecters that I have leveled from scratch, an enchanter on Xev and a warrior on Seventh Hammer untwinked. Enchanter from level 1 to 50 in 57 days played time, warrior 1 to 50 in 5 days played time. I wasn't able to effectivly solo with my chanter after level 12, I soloed to 45 with my warrior easily and had time for some trade skills and faction work besides. If you have something specifically in mind for your arguement please doen't drag all casters down with you. According to some polls I've seen enchanters are viewed as the hardest class to play well, and from what I've played (every classs up to level 35 minimum) this has been true. When I think of loot and grouping, I try to ignore the class entirely, and think about the person at the keyboard. It's about playing with friends, strangers or guildies and every situation is unique.
Chilipepper Heartfyre 53 Warlord Seventh Hammer
Gedal Ogiona 50 Enchanter Xev
Yes, I was being deliberately general. Compare caster drops to melee drops is (imo) ridiculous. That leads to the inane arguement "how would melee get these drops with no casters?" and the even stupider rebuttal "how would casters get these drops without melee?"
I wasn't actually comparing the difficulty of playing the classes. My point (not very well made, I admit) was that (at least warriors) melee are heavily gear dependent whereas casters are not (as dependent). It's called class-balancing by Sony/VI.
Ever seen a melee tank naked? I've seen casters do their job naked.
I'd love to know how you soloed your warrior to 45 untwinked in 5 days played time. (+ faction and trade)
As for loot *shrugs* I'll always do NBG if I have a choice. Which means most of the time I don't get a look-in at loot.
Edited, Sun May 26 18:19:46 2002
I wasn't actually comparing the difficulty of playing the classes. My point (not very well made, I admit) was that (at least warriors) melee are heavily gear dependent whereas casters are not (as dependent). It's called class-balancing by Sony/VI.
Ever seen a melee tank naked? I've seen casters do their job naked.
I'd love to know how you soloed your warrior to 45 untwinked in 5 days played time. (+ faction and trade)
As for loot *shrugs* I'll always do NBG if I have a choice. Which means most of the time I don't get a look-in at loot.
Edited, Sun May 26 18:19:46 2002
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I was in seb last night and one of these dropped, there where 2 melee's in the group and 4 casters, 54 enc, 56 cleric, 60 war, 51 rogue ( me ), 60 druid, 55 sham, we agree'd to nbg before we went down, and after about 5 hours of our group one of these dropped, and the cleric had to leave, so we got succor'd to zin and preseeded some lottos, and when it came to this the warrior wanted it to default to me, he had a cof and felt I needed it as I have no haste item, the 54 enc said that he wanted it to sell and that "nbg doesn't count on 35k+ items", yeah...uh huh, sure, and if something dropped for you and I lotto'd on it, i'd get yelled at...sad thing is my story is COMMON, and while the good casters outweight the bad ( although it doesn't seem like it often ) I think it is unfair for this board to only have the caster point of view.
you agreed to terms b4 going down and he reniged HOSER caster group should stand up for u i would!
allways agree on loots b4 going in to battle
Zaphod ench 56
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allways agree on loots b4 going in to battle
Zaphod ench 56
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I lean strongly toward NBG as of my first excursion into Seb. Before I had thought open roll was a good policy, except obviously on class specific items, like kunark armor. My grp was 4 guild, including me, and 2 pick ups. While fighting our way to the Crypt we picked up one of these babies. We got a few items in the Crypt and after 3 or 4 hours we decided we were done, so we headed to ZO then rolled for the items on NBG terms. When we got to this, the Cleric demanded it to be open roll so it was fair, and as he had been loot king, we didn't have much choice. When he won he offered to sell it to me for 25k because he didn't need it. I tried to get a GM to take it away, but they wouldn't. Ever since that I have ONLY done NBG in my grps and ALWAYS loot myself. Its greedy people like that that ruin the game for those of us trying to get better gear.
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HELLO?!?!?!
What makes him Greedy? Just because he was doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING AS YOU? Trying to get better gear! I don't know about you but 25k(or the 35k it sells for on MM) would do WONDERS for my gear selection. I could buy the shield I have been to broke to buy coz of Dot costs, and all the Resist Gear I NEED for Guild REQs.
I think it is EXTREMELY greedy to say NBG in a pickup group. EVERYONE there is there for XP/LOOT, and everyone should have EQUAL rights to the drops that can be sold because(if they are doing their job) they are all doing EQUAL parts to get/hold the camp.
It's one thing to have NBG in a group of friends or Guildmates, or hell even on Raids. But its another thing to call someone GREEDY just because they want the same thing that YOU DO, BETTER EQUIPMENT!
What you think he was just gonna take that 25k put it in his bank and sit on it forever to laugh at you?
What makes him Greedy? Just because he was doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING AS YOU? Trying to get better gear! I don't know about you but 25k(or the 35k it sells for on MM) would do WONDERS for my gear selection. I could buy the shield I have been to broke to buy coz of Dot costs, and all the Resist Gear I NEED for Guild REQs.
I think it is EXTREMELY greedy to say NBG in a pickup group. EVERYONE there is there for XP/LOOT, and everyone should have EQUAL rights to the drops that can be sold because(if they are doing their job) they are all doing EQUAL parts to get/hold the camp.
It's one thing to have NBG in a group of friends or Guildmates, or hell even on Raids. But its another thing to call someone GREEDY just because they want the same thing that YOU DO, BETTER EQUIPMENT!
What you think he was just gonna take that 25k put it in his bank and sit on it forever to laugh at you?
-REDACTED-
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What happens when you reach lvl 60? Does EQ become a game of who has the most money then? If that's the case then what do you do with your money? Wait, I know...I saw it not long ago in oasis, a lvl 12 with a fungi tunic and an FBSS. I would love to have a fungi tunic and FBSS at 12 or even my current lvl of 24. Hell, I would probably wear it til I reached 60. I'm not knocking twinks, I've used my 35 druid to buy gear for my rogue. What I am trying to say here is you all are 50+ and sitting here arguing like a bunch of kids. Try posting something useful like how did you kill the mob or how tough was the mob. I do agree on letting the ones that can use it roll on it but damn people if all the melees in the group have it or something better then it should be open lotto regardless of wether they are melee/hybrid/pure caster. 'Needing' an item to give to someone or sell is not a need, it is a want....learn the difference.
cya!
cya!
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funny how you only see people complaining about their group not being NBG on melee item boards... I don't think I've ever seen a caster complain about losing an item to some melee... I know I personally haven't.
Reason for this is item drops for casters are very very rare... in the past 55 levels I've seen about 5 item loots I can actually use. (trash items aside =P) If all groups were NBG I'd still be wearing raw silk.
Reason for this is item drops for casters are very very rare... in the past 55 levels I've seen about 5 item loots I can actually use. (trash items aside =P) If all groups were NBG I'd still be wearing raw silk.
It is true that melee items are more common than pure caster items. However, you must remember that us rogues, warriors, and monks are much more dependent upon our gear to make us effective than are straight casters. Granted, gear will make a big difference for casters, too, but consider this. A naked 54 wiz can still toss off several 500+ point nukes, while my naked 54 rogue can punch for about 4.
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"...us rogues, warriors, and monks are much more dependent upon our gear to make us effective than are straight casters"
Not really , u re need ac/agi/dex and casters rely on wis/int items.
IF u re naked at 54, u will not generally run through 10 zones naked because at this level, you have always a cler in group who can rez
Not really , u re need ac/agi/dex and casters rely on wis/int items.
IF u re naked at 54, u will not generally run through 10 zones naked because at this level, you have always a cler in group who can rez
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Dependent on your gear? As a rogue you need weapons. You're ac is as secondary as 50wis/int for a caster w/ any good tank.
The point is people need to actually care what you have for gear in order to give up a 50k item to a stranger. Consider this.
The point is people need to actually care what you have for gear in order to give up a 50k item to a stranger. Consider this.
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/agree Cruuser
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sweet! 25 mana! by the time my druid rolls on this i'll have 200 wis without a belt and can put mana gear on! hahahahaha
this is the first and last time i'll ever post on this site. i hate everyone who seems to spend more time flaming each other back and forth than actually playing the game. or doing anything anything else for that matter, serving only to make it harder to find the legitimate, usefull, thought out information.
my apologies to everyone else like me, as even posting this was hypocritical. like i said, this is the only time i plan on ever posting on this site.
maybe i'll see you in the game, 35 druid named jossie on rodcet nife
=),lol,<huggs>,=P,roflmao.
p.s. i hate all that sh*t too.
this is the first and last time i'll ever post on this site. i hate everyone who seems to spend more time flaming each other back and forth than actually playing the game. or doing anything anything else for that matter, serving only to make it harder to find the legitimate, usefull, thought out information.
my apologies to everyone else like me, as even posting this was hypocritical. like i said, this is the only time i plan on ever posting on this site.
maybe i'll see you in the game, 35 druid named jossie on rodcet nife
=),lol,<huggs>,=P,roflmao.
p.s. i hate all that sh*t too.
Anonymous
I have a funny story to tell you all.I was in Chef group the other day thid drops like always off a random knight.My main a 56 warrior and a 57 SK were the only tanks in group,he had FBSS and i had swirlspine.So we try to convice the group to do NBG cuase its an obvious upgrade for either of us...group says no.I roll and am winning till the 60 chanter rolls and lo and behold chanter wins.I am not pleased by this turn in events,but i do the nice thing and say GRATZ.Then chanter tells the group wow this will make my son real happy,now mb its just me but thats worse then selling it or twinking it.Sons char is 55 war not even in group but he wins RBG BLEH and more BLEH. Every step you take,makes you more weary
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People give loot to their friends and family all the time, quit whining cause you didn't win. *****
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Yes, I too got this drop in Kithicor while doing a mid-size guild raid on the cabin in Kith trying to get a Kedge Robe to drop... 8(
At least I got this though... whoohoo!
At least I got this though... whoohoo!
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This was dropped by one of the the dark elves that are part of the Rogue Epic in Kithicor the other day.
And perhaps Need before Greed is an innaccurate term. Perhaps it should be Usability before Profitability.
And perhaps Need before Greed is an innaccurate term. Perhaps it should be Usability before Profitability.
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