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whats this go for in the bazaar now as of 2006?
11 posts
Just saw this tonight on Povar. 13,000 plat is what the seller wants for this gridle.
13 posts
Adressing NBG
Anyone that says nbg on a 20k item in a normal group is viable is a moron. In fact, anyone that says a cleric doesn't have just as much right to roll on this item as a monk or war is a noob. When you get to bot smid and an ornate bracer mold worth 50-75k drops, and the cleric sure as heck can use it, no way that a melee wont roll on it, thats just retarded. On the other hand, if an item is no drop, or you are in a group of friends or guild, and have agreed to a NBG policy BEFORE you killed mob that dropped uber item, nbg is fine. Any melee claiming that a cleric or wizzy or mage or druid shouldn't roll on this is greedy, pure, plain and simple. Just because you CAN use this, doesn't mean you wont sell it and keep using your crappy old schw instead of this, since now you can affor a chos or other uber item. NBG doesn't work on cash items in normal groups or pick up raids. When you gotta shell out 5k or 20k for a spell, you gotta get money from somewhere, and buffing (temp or virtue) dont make much when it costs you 10pp min per buff, and you make maybe 20pp per buff, thats 10pp profit, you get robbed. Chanters get more pp for kei, but when their spells cost 20k, hell they can use it... If you are gonna do a Vox or Naggy raid, and say that ALL loot will be nbg, you will not have a raid. Period. Because no cleric or druid or sham or chanter (am i making myself clear) will ever go on a raid, where they will likely die cause of some noob, if there's no loot they can roll on, only to watch a twink monk walk away with a CoF. Nuff said. Clerics spend tons of money on dots, and rarely get more than anyone else loot wise. In fact since they are medding all the time to heal your mana seive butt, they dont get to loot from the light-speed ninja wars and such. Monks dont loot, not cause they aren't greedy (referring to the noob ones, not good monks, i love mine), but because anything over about 3 wt (unless full of tinks bags) makes them drop tons of ac. NBG is not realistic for normal pickup groups or pickup raids, only for nodrop gear, or in guild raids/groups or among friends or as agreed during game progress (happens a lot in ldon, esp with lots of twinks not wanting to sell gear, unless its worth about 3k+). Grow up and dont ***** with my clerics, in fact if you scream nbg, you will never be in an uber guild or groups, people will hate you and call you the noob you are.
Pocheur
55 (for the next few hours :P) Rogue
Archuv 65 druid
Terris Thule
Anyone that says nbg on a 20k item in a normal group is viable is a moron. In fact, anyone that says a cleric doesn't have just as much right to roll on this item as a monk or war is a noob. When you get to bot smid and an ornate bracer mold worth 50-75k drops, and the cleric sure as heck can use it, no way that a melee wont roll on it, thats just retarded. On the other hand, if an item is no drop, or you are in a group of friends or guild, and have agreed to a NBG policy BEFORE you killed mob that dropped uber item, nbg is fine. Any melee claiming that a cleric or wizzy or mage or druid shouldn't roll on this is greedy, pure, plain and simple. Just because you CAN use this, doesn't mean you wont sell it and keep using your crappy old schw instead of this, since now you can affor a chos or other uber item. NBG doesn't work on cash items in normal groups or pick up raids. When you gotta shell out 5k or 20k for a spell, you gotta get money from somewhere, and buffing (temp or virtue) dont make much when it costs you 10pp min per buff, and you make maybe 20pp per buff, thats 10pp profit, you get robbed. Chanters get more pp for kei, but when their spells cost 20k, hell they can use it... If you are gonna do a Vox or Naggy raid, and say that ALL loot will be nbg, you will not have a raid. Period. Because no cleric or druid or sham or chanter (am i making myself clear) will ever go on a raid, where they will likely die cause of some noob, if there's no loot they can roll on, only to watch a twink monk walk away with a CoF. Nuff said. Clerics spend tons of money on dots, and rarely get more than anyone else loot wise. In fact since they are medding all the time to heal your mana seive butt, they dont get to loot from the light-speed ninja wars and such. Monks dont loot, not cause they aren't greedy (referring to the noob ones, not good monks, i love mine), but because anything over about 3 wt (unless full of tinks bags) makes them drop tons of ac. NBG is not realistic for normal pickup groups or pickup raids, only for nodrop gear, or in guild raids/groups or among friends or as agreed during game progress (happens a lot in ldon, esp with lots of twinks not wanting to sell gear, unless its worth about 3k+). Grow up and dont ***** with my clerics, in fact if you scream nbg, you will never be in an uber guild or groups, people will hate you and call you the noob you are.
Pocheur
55 (for the next few hours :P) Rogue
Archuv 65 druid
Terris Thule
8 posts
Guess I'll be rolling on parchment drops then...melees need cash too.
Yeah you do that, and see how many groups your dumb *** ends up with.
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And that's exactly his point. Anybody who goes in on an item that's an upgrade for a member of the group so they can sell it... is an ***. I keep a list next to my keyboard of names of people who do stupid things, including excessive greed, and these people don't get groups with me or anybody I know.
It's funny how people always claim NBG is crap when they could sell the item in question, but as soon as somebody said, "Okay so melees will start to roll on parchments" you tried to defend NBG for casters lol. Whaa whaa whaa my spells cost XXXX... Well, the pants I want cost 225k. :/
It's funny how people always claim NBG is crap when they could sell the item in question, but as soon as somebody said, "Okay so melees will start to roll on parchments" you tried to defend NBG for casters lol. Whaa whaa whaa my spells cost XXXX... Well, the pants I want cost 225k. :/
Well at any rate 90% of all droppable gear is crap, and shouldn't be an upgrade if you are in a position to be rolling on parchments. And to drop the 10% that isn't crap you will likely not be in a pick-up group.
Yzuki <Stromm> 65 Bard
Yzuki <Stromm> 65 Bard
I never realized just how fortunate I am to be in a great guild. I refuse to group outside of it because of this nonsense. Whenever we have played I've always been the weakest character - hence I feel I have little if any claim to anything. I didn't main tank the mob, I didn't provide uber buffs, hell I carried the jockstraps of everybody else. Still, anytime it came to loot everybody piped in hey Laird, you need this? Now that was NBG in the extreme sense, I never asked for anything and on several occassions turned down items I wanted because another character in the group could have used them as well.
BTW, nice belt!
BTW, nice belt!
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whats the highest and lowest haste item in the game... i want a higher haste item then this.....
Rogue...42....46k....Nameless Server
Rogue...42....46k....Nameless Server
gauntlets of dragon slaying would be an upgrade 41% haste or u could get RBB which is 36 if i remember correctly
Shroud of survival. 46% haste
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=21885
Oh and runed bolster belt is 31% not 36%.
Cloak of flames, Cloak of crystalline waters, and cowl/custom cowl of mortality are 36% haste, among others.
Edited, Thu Feb 5 12:16:56 2004
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=21885
Oh and runed bolster belt is 31% not 36%.
Cloak of flames, Cloak of crystalline waters, and cowl/custom cowl of mortality are 36% haste, among others.
Edited, Thu Feb 5 12:16:56 2004
That's complete bologney.
Most drops in our NBG groups are not any good for melee -- if you have characters that are in need of equipment, and a good piece drops that one in the group can use - they should get it.
People like you, who think you have a right to sell stuff that drops that players in the group need - frankly should be on more and more ignore lists.
If the group states need before greed - get lost!!!
Most drops in our NBG groups are not any good for melee -- if you have characters that are in need of equipment, and a good piece drops that one in the group can use - they should get it.
People like you, who think you have a right to sell stuff that drops that players in the group need - frankly should be on more and more ignore lists.
If the group states need before greed - get lost!!!
In a pickup group, everyone who participated should get to roll. Tanks like to whine NBG, because plain and simple, they have more loot chances that way. Playing a 53 Shaman, I usually get to watch the tanks loot a mob before it hits the floor. Many a time have I gone out with a group and came back with not a single thing from a mob, whether we are talking about gear or vendor trash. When you are talking about high level spells that do indeed help the main tank that cost 10-60k, it certainly is fair to get a roll on a Cloak of Flames or whatever the loot. Is the caster gonna sell it, hell yeah. But lets face it, is the melee that won the item gonna sell it, most likely. Most people who cry the NBG do it because they want to be the one who sells it. Priests and casters need to smarten up, and find out loot rules before embarking on any endeavor where decent loot may fall. I never understood why so many Clerics go on Vox and naggy raids. The only thing worth going for is the cloaks, if they won't let you roll on it then tell them to f***k off. Instead you get a crappy hammer and the melee gets a 50k cloak, nice. I
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2 things.
1) Greed is not class specific.
2) Those same clerics who don't help the others. Won't get help when they need it.
Your logic is sorely flawed.
I will agree you must get loot rules ahead of time.
Use your logic. See how many come for your last epic kill when there isn't any loot for them.
1) Greed is not class specific.
2) Those same clerics who don't help the others. Won't get help when they need it.
Your logic is sorely flawed.
I will agree you must get loot rules ahead of time.
Use your logic. See how many come for your last epic kill when there isn't any loot for them.
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Ha ha, you tell him to use his logic, a cleric epic is worth 15 wars to a guild anyday! People dont help with epics for the loot, they help (mostly guilds or just nice peeps) because they want to help the other person. A melee that says he wants an rbg because its an upgrade really means "i want this uber item to sell if i feel like and nbg will increase my chances." You will never get people showing up to kill Rage for loot, lmao, you stupid. Getting a 96 percent mana free rez on a raid, you wont complain about ANY cleric. Caster gear is waaaaaaaaaay more rare in game than melee.
Edited, Sat May 22 05:18:57 2004
Edited, Sat May 22 05:18:57 2004
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I realize this post is a year old, but still I feel the need to say something to prevent some innocent newbie from reading this an believing it. As the raid leader for my guild, one thing i have learned above all else is the need for -balance- in a raid. If i had 20 warriors show, and not a single cleric, then yes I would trade 15 warriors for a cleric. Same if I had 20 clerics and no warrior. Same with -any- classes. There isn't a single class in everquest that I consider less valuable than any other. And as for "Caster gear is waaaaaaaaaay more rare in game than melee." that may be true. But have you ever heard of spells? Maybe not gear technicaly, but gear is nothing more than the things you need to function in your class. Once again, I think it all balances out.
#Feebil,
Posted: Nov 22 2003 at 11:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You obviously have more to learn about EverQuest.
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I thought they said this thing is very rare two (yes I said 2!) of these bad boys dropped in chef in less than an hour. Granted I've been playing for a very long time and these are the first 2 Ive ever seen drop period but still 2 in an hour weee
Haste 27%
at level 57 adds appx 65 hp
drops in Kithcor off generals friends and in sebilis off multiple frogs.
end trans <<STOP>> reading further posts will only waste time as there are only like 4 posts with any useful information and 50 theories on proper loot splits
at level 57 adds appx 65 hp
drops in Kithcor off generals friends and in sebilis off multiple frogs.
end trans <<STOP>> reading further posts will only waste time as there are only like 4 posts with any useful information and 50 theories on proper loot splits
The only way this doesn't go to a melee class is because every melee person that is there to loot it has a better haste item, in which case /random for who just made 20K+ in bazaar!
Whether in your guild or not, the melee you take this away from would have contributed more dps, shortening the fight for everybody, reducing casting of heals, snares, slows, DoTs . . .
There is PLENTY of other stuff to farm for peridot plat that doesn't have relatively uber haste (can't do much better without killing a dragon). Taking this to sell for 2000 peridots is just plain GREED! And to the druid who said (boo hoo) your spells are so expensive you need uber loot to pay for them: go loot your spells! Spells that expensive are looted! Get a group or go kite them and get it the same way the tanks get the gear you think is free and cheap.
Need before greed works. And that Ranger you beat on the roll has to go loot or buy spells for great expense or effort as well, only he has to melee for it, WHICH THIS BELT MAKES EASIER.
If I wasn't such a forgiving guy, I wouldn't help or group with any caster that managed to get this over me just so they could make cash. You'd better have a melee alt!
Note to tanks: Peridots are 10-12 pp depending on your charisma, buy a stack when you can or donate generously for the buffs.
Edited, Wed Jun 4 19:19:45 2003
Whether in your guild or not, the melee you take this away from would have contributed more dps, shortening the fight for everybody, reducing casting of heals, snares, slows, DoTs . . .
There is PLENTY of other stuff to farm for peridot plat that doesn't have relatively uber haste (can't do much better without killing a dragon). Taking this to sell for 2000 peridots is just plain GREED! And to the druid who said (boo hoo) your spells are so expensive you need uber loot to pay for them: go loot your spells! Spells that expensive are looted! Get a group or go kite them and get it the same way the tanks get the gear you think is free and cheap.
Need before greed works. And that Ranger you beat on the roll has to go loot or buy spells for great expense or effort as well, only he has to melee for it, WHICH THIS BELT MAKES EASIER.
If I wasn't such a forgiving guy, I wouldn't help or group with any caster that managed to get this over me just so they could make cash. You'd better have a melee alt!
Note to tanks: Peridots are 10-12 pp depending on your charisma, buy a stack when you can or donate generously for the buffs.
Edited, Wed Jun 4 19:19:45 2003
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You show me one war or sk that contributes more dps than a wizzie or necro (casting on a main mob)when wizzy's are nuking for 5-6k and necro's can drop 800dmg a tick with dots. It's rediculous to try to attribute worthiness of looting an item based on dps. While a monk or rogue might out dps EVERYONE else (my rogue sometimes bs's for 1100dmg with disc and can double bs) it doesn't mean they deserve an item more than a sham cleric or druid or chanter. Maybe they contribute 0 dps. But if you dont slow mobs, haste melee and mez adds or heal the melee, you all die. When that wizzy evac's your group and saves your butt, you wont complain he's greedy. Get a brain and get out of DL and SolB. And you will never find a ranger that spends a fraction of the pp on spells compared to a chanter sham or cleric or druid. Thats just absurd to say a ranger needs the pp for spells!!! (a few lvl 65 or lower drop onlys, but very few and nothing compared to pure casters) By the way, hardly ever do people hand clerics a peridot. In fact (especially when a group wipes) clerics dole out over 100pp in just gems in a lot of groups, never do they complain, and rarely are they offered loot to compensate, its just part of their job. But refusing them loot that they can sell and buy a peice of gear (with lots of wis, ac and mana and focus effect) is dumb and selfish of a melee. Just because i'm a druid and loot an rbg dont make me greedy, i can sell it and buy ornate boots, which will save me 15-20% mana on ALL spells, thats a lot more dps and heals/buffs.
Edited, Sat May 22 05:33:48 2004
Edited, Sat May 22 05:33:48 2004
#REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 19 2003 at 11:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So just because there is a slight chance that the melee is going to ***** you over and have lower gear on him so he can claim 'upgrade', you think you should be able to steal a very usable melee item from a tank that could TRULY need it? So that Warrior also should roll on the +15 WIS item that would drop or such too, right? Just in case YOU are the BSer(after all, you do seem to 'know' people that do it). I say NBG in all cases because it will mostly balance out unless you keep killing mobs with ONLY melee drops, and the chances of somebody using the item INCREASE....even if some are BSing. No more crying, casters...melees should be the ones rolling
NBG does not work unless you are grouping with RL friends for guildies you know will hang with you for the long haul. Who the hell cares how much quicker the group's tank will kill stuff when you will probably never see that person again and they will walk off with an item worth 25k. I'm not in the game to contribute to the equipment supply of strangers so for any pickup group every item regardless of class should be a random roll. That way its fair to everyone. If your stuck on NBG then you better find a guild where no one ever quits and plan to never group with strangers. Common sense will tell you that over the course of several years everyone's odds of winning a roll on nice items eventually evens out even if you are that tank who lost this item to a caster, someday you will win a caster item that you will only want to sell. Besides, if you look at the distrubution of item types that drop you will see that casters have a much smaller loot table game-wide vs. melee items so again with NBG certain class types will get screwed more often than others.
Roll on the stupid thing and if you lose suck it up and take it like a man. Its only a game.
Roll on the stupid thing and if you lose suck it up and take it like a man. Its only a game.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 30 2003 at 5:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) in my experience its usually only 1 at the most 2 ppl who disagree with NBG. I see u are one of those ppl..........very very very sad
13 posts
NO ONE in high end pick up groups WILL EVER agree with NBG on a cash loot item over 10k (or more, unless they are generous) NO ONE will ever pass on a 50k peice of loot in a pickup group.
Why is disagreeing with NBG a BAD thing? He's totally right.
WHY pass on phat loots when someone in your group of strangers says they can use it? You just passed up a chance at 20k.
NBG is saved for situations where the good of 1 person benefits the whole (see: guild grouping)
If this dropped in a normal XP group, where I knew 1 or less of the people, I would roll on it, even though I have 41% haste already. I need gear just as badly as everyone else, and 20k will help me. On the other hand, if you're ridiculously twinked and rolling in plat, more power to you; a good number of us aren't so lucky.
You'll not find yourself so strict on NBG when you've the chance to roll on a 50K+ piece of Ornate Plate in BoT with a group of people you may never group with again.
WHY pass on phat loots when someone in your group of strangers says they can use it? You just passed up a chance at 20k.
NBG is saved for situations where the good of 1 person benefits the whole (see: guild grouping)
If this dropped in a normal XP group, where I knew 1 or less of the people, I would roll on it, even though I have 41% haste already. I need gear just as badly as everyone else, and 20k will help me. On the other hand, if you're ridiculously twinked and rolling in plat, more power to you; a good number of us aren't so lucky.
You'll not find yourself so strict on NBG when you've the chance to roll on a 50K+ piece of Ornate Plate in BoT with a group of people you may never group with again.
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Oh how RIGHT you are. Those are the people who whave a bag of lower gear they carry and switch when something good drops. As he said "NBG is saved for situations where the good of 1 person benefits the whole (see: guild grouping)" Tanks STOP your crying. You can Tnk if the mob can't be slowed, Mezzed, Rooted. Or you can't be healed. So lets see an unbuffed tank with adds that can't be mezzed!!!!!!! I play a tanks aswell as casters....
Scholar
17 posts
NBG is abused, you are totally right.. What I cannot agree is the "Let's see an unbuffed tank with adds..". Same I can say about almost any class in game - cleric? He can tank? Yeah at level 9. Any class in game is important in group, not just YOU, casters ("Ooo I just summoned an 100% WR bag! Gimme 40pp for it; Oooo, I just rezzed you, pay me 100pp; Hmmm.. want Clarity? Pay me 10pp"). The only crying are YOU, casters - most of you can save money on buffing people. And how suppose an SK (War, Pally, etc.) to save money? Aggro buffs? Hehe, never heard about one wanted it.
Same as saying "Doh, why KEI spell is so expensive???". You know why? Because you gonna make the double of what you paid in just one month (if you are lazy).
Same as saying "Doh, why KEI spell is so expensive???". You know why? Because you gonna make the double of what you paid in just one month (if you are lazy).
13 posts
I've seen lvl 65 clerics tank LDoN with mobs hitting 500+
"make double what you paid (kei at about 15k for spell = 30k) in one month"
even getting 100pp per cast (not counting freebies and the 30-50pp per cast donations of poor younglings) that's a whopping 3000 kei casts minimum, lol lazy chanter whining? gimme a break.
Edited, Sat May 22 05:50:45 2004
"make double what you paid (kei at about 15k for spell = 30k) in one month"
even getting 100pp per cast (not counting freebies and the 30-50pp per cast donations of poor younglings) that's a whopping 3000 kei casts minimum, lol lazy chanter whining? gimme a break.
Edited, Sat May 22 05:50:45 2004
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Add to that the fact that NBG is abused ALOT. I've grouped with people who will exclaim "Oh thats an upgrade for me!" so they end up getting it because of the NBGers in the group. Then later that night I see that dude in the bazaar selling the item. Lame.
Sorry Clerics...but your argument that you should get the uber drops so you can sell the item to cover cost of Peridots does not FLY!!!! First simple solution to the problem...Make those you are going to SYMBOL provide their own Peridot...I carry as routine a stack of peridots on both my characters (I dual box)...I also like the post I read where the person explains that a clerics job is Healer and they become much more efficient at their job if those they need to heal have HP buffs that they provide...So SYMBOLS make you job easier...And if you can't afford your own peridots then make those you group with bring their own...but do not expect to have automatic claim to great loot to cover your cost...I have quit hunting in Sebilis for this very reason...Twice in one week grouped with the same cleric...a RBG dropped and both times it was awarded to the very same Cleric in one week...an item that sells for a easy 20K...that times 2 equals 40K that buys an awful lot of peridots...IMHO unless you are in a guild raid...ALL items should be rolled on everytime they fall...and the only reason anyone should be excluded from a roll is if they already have won a specific item that raid...
Soriano Thunderforge 52 Dwarven Paladin (Innoruuk)
Soriano Thunderforge 52 Dwarven Paladin (Innoruuk)
Not that I totaly disagee with your post but in most exp grind situations symbol only makes my job easier when it is on the MT. That wizard, necro, rogue, ranger or druid that wants it does not make my job easier.
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Sorry to say this but, your basing this on false logic. It must be your opinion that the tank never ever loses agro for this to be true, granted maybe the wizard and the necro wont but the ranger and rogue can most certainly use along with any other group member (slowers). If your group dies you die. If a buff request is made and you have the mana to support as a caster and certainly as a cleric you should fill that request if possible. Most often clerics get the first gem or whatever loot that equals up to roughly 100pp in addition to money made from the spells.
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What he was saying is that dishing out an extra 50pp an hour to buff the casters (who for many in good groups with cc and agro management wont get hit much excluding chanters and shammies and if tank can keep agro NOT using a wurmy lmao) doesn't help the cleric make mad cash, in a 5 hour group thats errr...about (6 x 10 x 5) 300pp he shells out, lucky if he sees 100pp.
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This also drops off of froglok krup enchanters near where the chef spawns!
#REDACTED,
Posted: Apr 27 2003 at 2:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I noticed someone mentioned that clerics complain about dot costs for aego and such and symbols. Thats absolutly true and I think its a crock. It comes with the job. You dont complain to your boss that you need gas money because he had you drive outta stte when you pull home 100G's a year for the job. Cause that would seem a bit rude and down right arrogant.
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Pal, you are a MORON. At higher levels, 60+, a cleric can easily chew through 2k worth of dots per week, ya, that's right, 2k. There is NO profit. Even if I am lucky enough to be in groups that follow this rule, on the whole I LOSE plat every week.
As for comparing to an employment situation, if travel is a part of your job, you get a milage reimbusrment. Never heard of or worked for a company that made it's employees pay for extended travel costs. Think through your arguments before making them, that comparison was just plain dumb.
Never ***** about gems covering dot costs in one of my groups, you or I will leave. And in the pick up groups I have seen, jerk off bard goes before a decent cleric.
As for comparing to an employment situation, if travel is a part of your job, you get a milage reimbusrment. Never heard of or worked for a company that made it's employees pay for extended travel costs. Think through your arguments before making them, that comparison was just plain dumb.
Never ***** about gems covering dot costs in one of my groups, you or I will leave. And in the pick up groups I have seen, jerk off bard goes before a decent cleric.
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You should either get in a guild that contributes to reagents, or ask the group for compensation. If the group is not reasonable enough to understand reagent cost, find another group.
Being a monk, I almost NEVER get loot unless it is a specific item. I prefer that the spell classes have the nice spells and reagents to cast them.
Being a monk, I almost NEVER get loot unless it is a specific item. I prefer that the spell classes have the nice spells and reagents to cast them.
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/agree I think 60+ necro's pets should start paying for their dots to *sheesh people's thoughts*. What you gonna want next pp for mana reimbursement. Ok warriors and melee start charging for dmg substained while on the job. I mean they do get beat for us, they ones that die they most. And trust me 3 or 4 deaths fast 96% rez blows and is not that hard to do sometimes. So guess they need xp reimbursement too. Or we can start charging group for dmg, maybe 2sp for every hp dmg. Even better let SOE make a laywer class and all class sue everything.
I think if most clerics asked group for pp donations to cover this adventure's dots, most would donate pp. And I bet most half way high end guilds makes sure their clerics have pp for dots. But bet it's not buy allowing them 75% of the loot profit. And from group stand point, I stick with /random #. I myslef, form group stand point, believe if you can't use or have superior item then you don't roll, unless no one needs or can use then it is up for all to roll to sell in bazaar.
But, to declare you deserve more of the booty then others cause of your cost is total BS, not to be mistaken for Backstab. That, IMHO, is stupidest thing I ever heard. I totaly agree with helping take care of the clerics and warriors, they heart of taking on anything truely worthwhile and powerful. Surely all other classes are important, but we build around them 2. But, to endulge a few, while starving others makes no sense.
But, your preaching your pp cost to advance in lvs and power to the wrong one, priest buddy. Cause it cost any class hella lot of pp to perform at peak power, which is what symbols help you do. Be it through spells cost, dots cost, armor for ac and melee stats or for ac and caster/priest stats, or be it through weapons for melee destruction or waepons to improve a casters/priest casting powers it all amount to huge pp for any class. But, I don't ask others to lay my road with golden bricks or guess this case platnium bircks. A balanced group does not equal one being 60% of it, but at best 50% and atleast 16.6% roughly.
Edited, Wed Jun 4 17:41:47 2003
I think if most clerics asked group for pp donations to cover this adventure's dots, most would donate pp. And I bet most half way high end guilds makes sure their clerics have pp for dots. But bet it's not buy allowing them 75% of the loot profit. And from group stand point, I stick with /random #. I myslef, form group stand point, believe if you can't use or have superior item then you don't roll, unless no one needs or can use then it is up for all to roll to sell in bazaar.
But, to declare you deserve more of the booty then others cause of your cost is total BS, not to be mistaken for Backstab. That, IMHO, is stupidest thing I ever heard. I totaly agree with helping take care of the clerics and warriors, they heart of taking on anything truely worthwhile and powerful. Surely all other classes are important, but we build around them 2. But, to endulge a few, while starving others makes no sense.
But, your preaching your pp cost to advance in lvs and power to the wrong one, priest buddy. Cause it cost any class hella lot of pp to perform at peak power, which is what symbols help you do. Be it through spells cost, dots cost, armor for ac and melee stats or for ac and caster/priest stats, or be it through weapons for melee destruction or waepons to improve a casters/priest casting powers it all amount to huge pp for any class. But, I don't ask others to lay my road with golden bricks or guess this case platnium bircks. A balanced group does not equal one being 60% of it, but at best 50% and atleast 16.6% roughly.
Edited, Wed Jun 4 17:41:47 2003
17 posts
I think the point that is being overlooked is that clerics don't mind absorbing some of the gem costs. The problem comes from EVERYONE wanting buffs ALL the time. I don't demand donations or dots for buffs. I do tend to group with those who are willing to help me by providing a dot or pp when they can. Yes it's part of my job, but staying alive is a GROUP effort. Think of someone other than yourself for a minute. How would you like to shoulder that cost because it's "your job." Flame away.....
Edited, Thu Jun 3 18:54:21 2004
Edited, Thu Jun 3 18:54:21 2004
4 posts
According to Magelo
27% Haste starting at level 26.
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As a warrior at level 57 the stamina on this item will give me about 40 hitpoints. Add this to the hitpoints on it already and you get...
65 Hitpoints total for this item.
27% Haste starting at level 26.
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As a warrior at level 57 the stamina on this item will give me about 40 hitpoints. Add this to the hitpoints on it already and you get...
65 Hitpoints total for this item.
14 posts
Just leaving my 2cp here onall this "Loot theory"
NBG is only good in guild raids and groups of friends. NBG should NEVER be used among strangers. I repeat, NEVER AMONG STRANGERS!!
Why? How do you know that Joe Warrior really "needs" the item droped? Did you inspect his bags and see if he stashed his nice item to make you think he "needs" said dropped item? Oh no? You can't? OOOOOHHHHHHHH I see. Also how do you know that he isn't going to sell that Warrior only item? YOU DON'T.
NBG when used among strangers is nothing but an excuse for greed mongers to have their loot.
That said, EVERYONE in the group SHOULD roll on regular loot. For NoDrop stuff, only those who can use it should roll, and if no one in the group wants it is cool to invite guildies to loot or people in the area, NOT TWINKY ALTS :(
Edited, Tue Mar 4 20:49:14 2003
NBG is only good in guild raids and groups of friends. NBG should NEVER be used among strangers. I repeat, NEVER AMONG STRANGERS!!
Why? How do you know that Joe Warrior really "needs" the item droped? Did you inspect his bags and see if he stashed his nice item to make you think he "needs" said dropped item? Oh no? You can't? OOOOOHHHHHHHH I see. Also how do you know that he isn't going to sell that Warrior only item? YOU DON'T.
NBG when used among strangers is nothing but an excuse for greed mongers to have their loot.
That said, EVERYONE in the group SHOULD roll on regular loot. For NoDrop stuff, only those who can use it should roll, and if no one in the group wants it is cool to invite guildies to loot or people in the area, NOT TWINKY ALTS :(
Edited, Tue Mar 4 20:49:14 2003
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 22 2003 at 6:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) STFU you paranoid little *****. "maybe hes hiding gear in his bags so that i wont get the loot?!?!?!?" You sound really gay so just shut up
I completly agree with you. In fact I take it to the next lvl. Yes I agree in Guild situations you should always go NBG but that shoudln't always apply. Example:
I was in KC getting my bards Petrified Werewolf Skull for my epic and 2 guildies came to help. One of them being a SK. Yes you knwo whats coming. Nocti blade ended up dropping and we all (There was 3 people that we grabbed in zone that were LFG) without hesitation immediatly congrats the SK. He was a 2HSer but I assumed he would like to have it for trainging 1HS. No. The skull drops and we all leave. I immediatly go to nexus to check on the dragon scales to see if maybe I could get one of them cheap (Was ona epic binge)
And who do I see "/auc WTS Nocti Blade 3k" but our very own SK from our guild. Which I am really good friends with the guy and I didnt really mind but if the ppl we picked up in zone knew what he did I am sure they would have been pissed.
So this is one of those rare moments that you have to ask your self what is best for everyone. You have guildies AND strangers in grp. I am sure the SK was afraid one of them would win the roll and thats why he didnt dispute but would he have done the same if it had been an all guild group?
I leave you with that to ponder on.
I was in KC getting my bards Petrified Werewolf Skull for my epic and 2 guildies came to help. One of them being a SK. Yes you knwo whats coming. Nocti blade ended up dropping and we all (There was 3 people that we grabbed in zone that were LFG) without hesitation immediatly congrats the SK. He was a 2HSer but I assumed he would like to have it for trainging 1HS. No. The skull drops and we all leave. I immediatly go to nexus to check on the dragon scales to see if maybe I could get one of them cheap (Was ona epic binge)
And who do I see "/auc WTS Nocti Blade 3k" but our very own SK from our guild. Which I am really good friends with the guy and I didnt really mind but if the ppl we picked up in zone knew what he did I am sure they would have been pissed.
So this is one of those rare moments that you have to ask your self what is best for everyone. You have guildies AND strangers in grp. I am sure the SK was afraid one of them would win the roll and thats why he didnt dispute but would he have done the same if it had been an all guild group?
I leave you with that to ponder on.
18 posts
you said "how do we know Joe doesnt have something nice stashed away"
I think I read somewhere that SOE assumes a "People are basically good" ideology. If we could be certain that every player is honest and that he who says he NEEDS the item indeed really does, than would you have any objections to NBG in open raids? I wouldnt, but I realize a select population of us cheat, lie and steal but I say "letem be" as long as I dont stoop to that level, I know I only add to the honest population in EQ and on every raid I lead, I always NBG because I remember how it felt losing epic items at level 40+ to people who wanted them for cash (Diamonds, blocks of permafrost). Kinda irritating but oh well. If one by one we all started to play like this (NBG), I think eventually the ********* will be filtered out.
Im on Lanys and as always I have low/middle end giveaways for mostly melee classes if anyone NEEDS something...lemme know :)
-Catraris
Lanys Server
Level 50 warrior of Tribe of Providence
I think I read somewhere that SOE assumes a "People are basically good" ideology. If we could be certain that every player is honest and that he who says he NEEDS the item indeed really does, than would you have any objections to NBG in open raids? I wouldnt, but I realize a select population of us cheat, lie and steal but I say "letem be" as long as I dont stoop to that level, I know I only add to the honest population in EQ and on every raid I lead, I always NBG because I remember how it felt losing epic items at level 40+ to people who wanted them for cash (Diamonds, blocks of permafrost). Kinda irritating but oh well. If one by one we all started to play like this (NBG), I think eventually the ********* will be filtered out.
Im on Lanys and as always I have low/middle end giveaways for mostly melee classes if anyone NEEDS something...lemme know :)
-Catraris
Lanys Server
Level 50 warrior of Tribe of Providence
13 posts
You are stupid if you think people wont lie to you and loot a 10k item just to put it on an anonymous mule in the bazaar, you will never know if they sell it. 60 percent of eq'ers will slit your throat for a 30k item, at least 60 percent lmao, don't be suprised or naive because we doubt the integrity of people we dont know. If 100 people found a wallet laying in the street with $3000 in it, how many would turn it in to police?...Few, most would take cash and throw it back on the ground...
2 posts
Looted this off the Advisor in Kithicor.
Coldman Shivering
55 Blackguard of the White Rose
<Forge of Fury>
Tunare
Coldman Shivering
55 Blackguard of the White Rose
<Forge of Fury>
Tunare
#REDACTED,
Posted: Feb 20 2003 at 3:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Look at this whining and complaining, gotta love it. Reality for these people has been reduced to pixels. I don't care if you flame me, because I don't care what you have to say, you're nobody important. Anyway, to hopefully cure the world of stupidity, I say only one thing. If this is what is left of you, go live underground and get out of the way of people with purpose and meaning.
44 posts
WILL YOU PEOPLE GO TO A FLAME BOARD AND USE THIS BOARD FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE OF PROVIDING ----->>>>>> USEFUL <<<<<<<--------- INFORMATION ON THE ITEMS?!?!?! LIKE HOW MUCH HASTE, WHERE IT DROPS, HOW OFTEN IT DROPS THERE, AND WHAT IS A GOOD GROUP TO GET THE SAID ITEM WITH. LOOK TO THE LEFT. SEE THE WRITING THERE THAT SAYS DISCUSSION? WELL LOOK UNDER IT AND GO TO THE ONE THAT SAYS CLASS. DO YOU DAMN ******** ABOUT WHO SHOULD HAVE WHAT THERE!!!!! 
Edited, Thu Feb 13 15:19:39 2003
Edited, Thu Feb 13 15:19:39 2003
13 posts
OMG PEOPLE, ITS A GAME FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
I have lost rolls, won rolls, been screwed out of loot, spent hours on groups and raids, getting zero XP just so a guildie of friend could get some drop, and been KSed countless times. Somehow i still find it in my heart to enjoy the game. Compared to trials and tribulations of RL stuff, these are petty complaints. BTW, nice haste item, would be a good upgrade to SCHW, but im gonna just wait on Swiftwind i think
Taloola
54 Ranger
Nameless
I have lost rolls, won rolls, been screwed out of loot, spent hours on groups and raids, getting zero XP just so a guildie of friend could get some drop, and been KSed countless times. Somehow i still find it in my heart to enjoy the game. Compared to trials and tribulations of RL stuff, these are petty complaints. BTW, nice haste item, would be a good upgrade to SCHW, but im gonna just wait on Swiftwind i think
Taloola
54 Ranger
Nameless
#REDACTED,
Posted: Dec 02 2002 at 6:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just post the answers to the main question dont put in your philosophy. WHy? NOONE CARES :) People that riddle the boards with their "LOOK AT ME" trash make the boards useless. I hate haveing to sift through a bunch of dog crap. Question----->Answer
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jan 03 2003 at 10:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) and flaming an ijit, make you an ijit. This is my 2 cp...and yes, flamin a ijit what flames a ijit makes ME a ijit. live life and get on with the game.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Dec 02 2002 at 6:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) oh! P.S. Pallys do mega DD
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jan 01 2003 at 7:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You fvcking hypocrite.
11 posts
looted one of these off of Coercer in Kithicor forest after killing general for my epic.
Giladorf
55 Rogue
Edited, Fri Nov 29 22:31:32 2002
Giladorf
55 Rogue
Edited, Fri Nov 29 22:31:32 2002
1 post
Everyone has different needs and drivers.
A group of RL friends and I joined up at the same time and subsequently play together at least once a week in a normally full group. This has many advantages over pick up groups in terms of reliability and consistancy as well as enjoyment.
We play fair together and last night we had only 5 of us in Seb, so we picked up a lovely wizard and camped necro. We got this RBG of a Krupp Shamy and we rolled for it. The enchanter in the group won it. He immediately offered it to me as the party tank for use as they knew how much it would be better for me. I can use this until such time as i stop playing or get a better one. This is a much better way of playing I feel.
By giving me this item to use he ensures the longevity of the group as a whole by my ability to last longer, kill more faster and keep things away from my fellow mage party friends.
There are upsides for NBG and simply rolling as a lot of people just play by themselves for themselves which is a fair cop. I think as long as the loot method is agreed once you join a group - and you stay in the group if you agree to the splitting method - then just play and enjoy what is just a game.
Hey I love EQ for the fun and social aspects, i have rarely met anyone who has been rude or nasty and don't wish to do so. We if we pick up new ppl for a night treat them as we would have them treat us.
Enjoy and GL in the game
Ciao Drax
53 Paladin of 7th Hammer
A group of RL friends and I joined up at the same time and subsequently play together at least once a week in a normally full group. This has many advantages over pick up groups in terms of reliability and consistancy as well as enjoyment.
We play fair together and last night we had only 5 of us in Seb, so we picked up a lovely wizard and camped necro. We got this RBG of a Krupp Shamy and we rolled for it. The enchanter in the group won it. He immediately offered it to me as the party tank for use as they knew how much it would be better for me. I can use this until such time as i stop playing or get a better one. This is a much better way of playing I feel.
By giving me this item to use he ensures the longevity of the group as a whole by my ability to last longer, kill more faster and keep things away from my fellow mage party friends.
There are upsides for NBG and simply rolling as a lot of people just play by themselves for themselves which is a fair cop. I think as long as the loot method is agreed once you join a group - and you stay in the group if you agree to the splitting method - then just play and enjoy what is just a game.
Hey I love EQ for the fun and social aspects, i have rarely met anyone who has been rude or nasty and don't wish to do so. We if we pick up new ppl for a night treat them as we would have them treat us.
Enjoy and GL in the game
Ciao Drax
53 Paladin of 7th Hammer
Hello there dear
I am very happy that you have formed a nightly hunting party and that you have such wonderful friends. Sadly many people have not had the wonderful expierence that you hav had, and are slightly jaded by many of the "loot mongers" that often prevail around Seb. If among close friends NBG is a wonderful way to go -- as long as everyone knows what the standard is, then there will be no arguements or hurt feelings
Otherwise, if not among friends I can only offer that you help to establish clear looting rules on the expected / predicted drops at your camp. It helps to preserve friendships, reputaions, and your sanity
I am very happy that you have formed a nightly hunting party and that you have such wonderful friends. Sadly many people have not had the wonderful expierence that you hav had, and are slightly jaded by many of the "loot mongers" that often prevail around Seb. If among close friends NBG is a wonderful way to go -- as long as everyone knows what the standard is, then there will be no arguements or hurt feelings
Otherwise, if not among friends I can only offer that you help to establish clear looting rules on the expected / predicted drops at your camp. It helps to preserve friendships, reputaions, and your sanity
RANT!
Yeah I am on your side here. I havent had too many great loot encounters when the item can drop you 20-30k. I used to be in Lords of Divine Dystiny on karana. I helped start the guild with RL friends. But left shortly afte rbecause they were some cut throat sumbitches. They'd take the cloak off your back if you weren't lookin. lol And thats how 90% of the ppl are that I run into. One time someone showed me there was still decency left in the world when he traded me a cloak of maelstrom for a crappy sensate eye just to help me out and to get his shammy a wis hand gear. He didnt have to do it..he could well afford it but thats besisdes the point. He still did it. So needless to say i was surprised.
But anyways what was my point..oh yeah lol People naturally have a flexible view of loot orders depending on they're situation. Its ben my experience that it goes like this:
1) Loot drops that would be an upgrade for you.
"Hey man NBG here I have been here all day and lost on that roll 47 times already" - End result? You get the loot cause ppl in grp don't want to seem like **********
2) Loot drops that wouldn't upgrade you but would someone else in grp. But you are the natural greed monger and say "Hey man if you wanna play NBG go join a guild. I been here all day and have lost on that roll 47 times and it was all i came here for. My wifes sisters brother needs that drop because he has cancer" - End result? You get the loot cause ppl are sick of hearing you whin about it.
3) Loot drops but you cant actually think of a good reason as to why you should have it so its "Lets all of us roll then just to be fair to everyone" Because in teh back of your greedy little mind you think 'Hmm there is at least a CHANCE of me getting it this way, besides i been here all day and missed out ont eh roll .. blah blah blah' End result? You will most likly win the roll because cod heads seem to always win.
The point is this. It doesnt matter what loot order you want to set. People are always going to try to manipulate it to suit there looting needs. Even tho eveyone else has bene there just as long waiting for a drop. Why do i know all this? Because I am jaded due to the fact that I have either missed out on nice loot becaus eof missed rolls or because some cod head bags an item and pretends he has crappy gear and needs an upgrade. Its pathetic in my opinion. Don't roll into seb wearing a Thin banded belt and demand the loot because you are too afraid of rolling fairly like everyone else.
Phew...that feels better.
End Rant.
Yeah I am on your side here. I havent had too many great loot encounters when the item can drop you 20-30k. I used to be in Lords of Divine Dystiny on karana. I helped start the guild with RL friends. But left shortly afte rbecause they were some cut throat sumbitches. They'd take the cloak off your back if you weren't lookin. lol And thats how 90% of the ppl are that I run into. One time someone showed me there was still decency left in the world when he traded me a cloak of maelstrom for a crappy sensate eye just to help me out and to get his shammy a wis hand gear. He didnt have to do it..he could well afford it but thats besisdes the point. He still did it. So needless to say i was surprised.
But anyways what was my point..oh yeah lol People naturally have a flexible view of loot orders depending on they're situation. Its ben my experience that it goes like this:
1) Loot drops that would be an upgrade for you.
"Hey man NBG here I have been here all day and lost on that roll 47 times already" - End result? You get the loot cause ppl in grp don't want to seem like **********
2) Loot drops that wouldn't upgrade you but would someone else in grp. But you are the natural greed monger and say "Hey man if you wanna play NBG go join a guild. I been here all day and have lost on that roll 47 times and it was all i came here for. My wifes sisters brother needs that drop because he has cancer" - End result? You get the loot cause ppl are sick of hearing you whin about it.
3) Loot drops but you cant actually think of a good reason as to why you should have it so its "Lets all of us roll then just to be fair to everyone" Because in teh back of your greedy little mind you think 'Hmm there is at least a CHANCE of me getting it this way, besides i been here all day and missed out ont eh roll .. blah blah blah' End result? You will most likly win the roll because cod heads seem to always win.
The point is this. It doesnt matter what loot order you want to set. People are always going to try to manipulate it to suit there looting needs. Even tho eveyone else has bene there just as long waiting for a drop. Why do i know all this? Because I am jaded due to the fact that I have either missed out on nice loot becaus eof missed rolls or because some cod head bags an item and pretends he has crappy gear and needs an upgrade. Its pathetic in my opinion. Don't roll into seb wearing a Thin banded belt and demand the loot because you are too afraid of rolling fairly like everyone else.
Phew...that feels better.
End Rant.
when in doubt of group reliability...'ninja'
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13 posts
Ha ha, yup if i leading group and cash item drops, i ALWAYS loot it first, then decide who gets (however we agreed) keeps people from ninja'ing or just taking and claiming ignorance.
5 posts
I got this off a Froglok Krup Enchante, in the necrosis/guardian camp.
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