I was in a grp recently that dropped Servitor, the chanter had max CHA/INT and a HP face anyway, I had one, the druid had one, the SK didnt want it and nor did the cleric. However, the warrior said it was fine with him, Divine Intervention is based on CHA, and he took one, and the cleric took the other for selling purposes. Odd concept, but sometimes the little things count.
Maybe that DI firing might just save him one time and make it worth it. It is, of course, not his primary mask, since he has a face piece with HPs, but it was interesting to notice how yet another class might get a situational use out of it that isn't generally thought about.
The more I play EQ the more I learn about the arcane little benefits for EVERY class on these all/all items that seem, at first glance, to belong only to one or two obvious classes. Even if its only to lower vendor prices :o)
Ok there seems to be some confusion regarding the focus effect here. I see mages, enchanters, and shamans saying how this focus effect is going to save them mana. I believe you are all confusing Summoning Efficiency and Reanimation Efficiency. Reanimation Efficiency only works on skeleton pets. If you don't believe me check the list of focus effect descriptions on this site.
The boost to Alteration skill will reduce fizzle rate on those specific spells and therefore will save you a little mana indirectly. But this item will NOT make the mage technique of "canni-petting" work more efficiently because it is the wrong focus effect. It also won't keep the shaman pet from costing far too much mana to cast.
Now that I said all of that, I still want one for my enchanter just to free up int and cha boosts taking up other slots. I also want one for my necro. In fact, I think I'll log on now and get a group together. :)
I believe you are wrong actually. My enchanter has Reanimation Haste III on Fabled Nightshade Wreath and it Does indeed work to lower the casting time on my pet. If this one doesn't work, then it is bugged one way or the other, but trust me it isn't just for the undead pets.
My Guild has been farming SoL for this mask and Orbs. He has dropped one or two masks each kill. Being a 65 Chanter with SCM3,Mana Pres 4 item and maxed on alteration I allowed myself to be one of the last to get this item. Necro and Shammy wanted one and let them take it too. Well I received one 2 days ago and guess what. I have fizzled 3 times in 16 hours of play. Thats awesome! I haven't tested the effect on its mana conservation yet but will edit in my findings soon.
Killed him 4 times in 8 days (thanks GoD), and he dropped Wand of Musing/Sombrous Claidhmore on Kill 1 (happy chanter/Claidhmore rotted), Lurid Dagger/Sombrous Claidhmore Kill 2 (grats PvP Paladin), Lurid Dagger/Sombrous Claidhmore Kill 3 (grats druid's alt twinkie tank), and Mask of Pulchritude x 2 (gratZ chanter and druid).
To the person who said a necro should never get this, you are an unmitigated idiot. I have a 100CHA Robe of Dark Beguilement augmented, and I would have happily taken this mask if no one else in the grp had needed it for those times when I go charming or mezzing. CHA is awesome for those occasions when you need to visit Veksar or CoD.
In addition, the moderation to Alteration, which is a necro's usual primary magic specialisation, is not to be sneezed at either.
Just killed servitor with a wizard, rogue, cleric, shaman, warrior and ranger all 65 and sure enough 2 masks. I have to say the mask does suck compared to getting that FT1 20int 100mana wand but still my necro got one of the masks and 15% alteration is a great boost to any necro even level 65, too bad the reanimation stuff only lasts till 60 though...
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Posted:Dec 23 2003 at 6:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ebon Tendrils have accuired several of this item. Would you like to join a friendly, well reputed guild that attains items like this? If so visit our web-site at www.ebontendrils.com for more info on us and how to apply
post has this listed as rare loot, im not so sure, both times my guild has dropped this guy he has dropped 2x this mask. havent seen any of the other "common" loot as of yet but hes scheduled to be up tonight so i guess well see
Whichever way you look at it, and there are many detractors on this site that say this mask isn't all it's cracked up to be, this mask dropped as a double loot last night. I managed to snaffle one and it has pushed my Int to 252 and Cha to 255 with KEI however I now don't have to worry about using my CHA buff!!! As a chanter, this frees me up to divide some of my other slots onto more useful stats, hmmm, maybe I'll get some additional strength to help me carry more gems back from velks or perhaps a little bit more AGI or DEX to help me out when I'm getting beaten on in multi-melee fights. This mask absolutely ROCKS!!! I defy any INT based character who says otherwise.
It's good for necros all around, it's good for chanter because of the cha and the int. Otherwise I'd pass on this mask. Wizard and mages need int/mana and reanimation efficiency and alteration aren't of much consequence to any int caster but necros and maybe mages with their pet heals. Speaking as a wizard though I'll keep my eye of cazic thule. :p I just can't get over having to go through all that hell for my epic and then being able to wear his eye and brain out and around for trophies. *dance*
Liveye (lvl 65 Wizard)
PS- I still wear my carmine robe as well, PoFear rocks sometimes. :p
quote: "reanimation efficiency and alteration aren't of much consequence to any int caster but necros and maybe mages with their pet heals"
....ummm alteration is of huge consequence for enchanters...for one...pull up the enchanter spell list sometime. Most all enchanters pick alteration as their casting specialization.
....and clerics? Yeah they're wis casters, and I don't play one, but I wouldn't think +15% to alteration would be a bad deal for them either. Their heal spells are alteration. Anyone here ever die because a c-heal fizzled? I've seen that happen a few times.
+15% takes your 250 skill up to the neighborhood of 287.5. Not sure which way that's rounded, probably down? So say an alteration skill of 287. This mask is worth wearing for the alteration bump alone, not even considering the stats.
20 AC isn't bad for a face item either. For any class. And the 40 cha well.....some peeps say cha buffs are one of the best kept secrets in the game. Any class in the game could find some use for this puppy, maybe not as an item to wear full time for some of them, but then again....cha is nice for a lot of checks. Not just vendors.
By the way that Reanimation Eff 3 works for mage pets up to lvl 49 as well. As a matter of fact I'm willing to bet that mages are the only class that will use that focus by the time you can get one of these. We can use the mask to make "canni-petting" more efficient.
And the stats help for mezzing/charming in Takish & BOT!
Am I misreading something here? The effect description says it works on spells up to level 60.
Being a magician, I'm sure an enchanter would be awarded this before me, but I certainly wouldn't be at all unhappy to have this item. My int is long since maxxed, but my saves need a boost. This would allow me to free up another slot or two for resist gear.
The mask dropped the other night from Servitor. Me and an Enchanter both rolled for it. I did though let the chanter take it. Saying it's this class or this class...bah rubbish. If it's an upgrade to any class...then it's an upgrade. It's not a Chanter mask, not a necro mask. it's All/All....it's an upgrade.
i would definitely want the enchanters to roll on this one. the combination of high charisma (lulls and mezzes are somewhat dependant on this) and 15% alteration mod (hastes and slows are alteration based, as are mind buffs and charms). Specialization checks in alteration reduce the cost of mana on a certain spell (quick explanation for those unsure: if you make a check for alteration for a spell that costs 400 mana, you could end up with a spell costing 310 mana. However, you don't check before you cast, but during the cast; thus you need 400 mana to cast the spell, but it will leave you with 90 more mana than you normally would have had.)
Since an enchanter in the heat of combat needs mana for mezzes,conjuration based and more effective with 40 extra charisma, I think that giving this to a chanter for the extra mana would be in the best interest for the guild.
It isn't by any means a chanter mask. Necro's charm too and need the cha to hold their charm just as much as a chanter does. While it is true that we dont charm as much (mainly because there aren't as many undead zones as live), but that doesn't mean an enchanter should preclude a necro from getting this at all. I also don't know the spells the Enchanter gets as far as which theirs are predominant, but alteration is the necros prime spell type (DoT's).
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Posted:May 21 2003 at 2:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) not really, its more of , who would gain the most from it, ust because its all doesn't mean anyone should wear it, if i was with u an you were talking like that i'd have to roll on it then, cause hey it is all/all
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Posted:May 25 2003 at 5:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ya but ENCs need CHA, more then they need INT and at the same level as they need Mana. This is nice INT on a mask but what is really nice about this is you can take off the Dex/Cha Rings and Bracers and still end up on top Cha wise...
Will + alteration reduce the amount of mana cost for spells or just reduce the fizzle rate? or increase the chance of specialize alteration to hit.. please
Each spell skill reduces your chance of fizzling for spells that use that skill. If your skill is approx. 15 points or worse below the max in that skill for the level the spell can fist be used (Ex.: max at level 8 is 45, say you had 30), then you will fizzle quite frequently on that spell. As your skill goes beyond the max for the level the spell came available, you will fizzle less and less until that spell rarely fizzles at all.
I can't recall if the base skill affects the odds of the Specialization kicking in, I think that may be based purely on the Specialization, though.
Hmm, wonder if they're gonna kick out some Skill Mod items for Specs anytime soon? Be nice to see 'em in, say, LoY? :) Heheh
This is a ok mask for any int caster, awsome for chanters and necros I guess could have some limited use for it over a Wizard or mage. But ive seen all 4 int casters with this mask, also seen it go to a SK. Its not that rare a drop and the Servitor isnt that hard to take down.
If you guys are still bickering about, OMGZ THE CHARISMA IS SO GREAT, then you must have some pretty crappy stuff. And OMGZ SO MUCH INT. For the love of god, I have *counts slowly to five* five slots that are filled with crap items... and yet I have 149 int as an Iksar Necro... Hence, all I can say is whoopdi doo, its got 15 int =P. As for fear kiting, yar, I do that for factioning. But I prefer charming the undead and slowling one mob and hasting the other. If you don't know what I'm talking about then /smack, go check out The Grey and Tenebrius. As for the AC... why are you getting hit?, you messed up bro, now take your death and learn from it... all I see is alteration here and afflication, those who can use it best should get it. And if it has reanimation efficency 3 then either an SK or Necro should be considered, since only we use that. Your question might be, why in godz name would anyone need that, then you've never killed something with chain pets before =P, or had to set up a camp that would gain you agro in 7 seconds... bah... bunch of whinners... You only deserve something if you put your time in and can use the item, not if you can use the item best. If I want a mez, I'll kill the mob/root/mez it myself/charm it/or fear the darn thing. And if I can't do that, I have no idea why the heck I'm there, since I've never had that problem.
Iksar Necro "its not my name you need to know... its the fact I'm watching... and waiting... "
Sigh, you dont think 40cha on an item is OMG? thats huge pal, even for a necro, charm = cha. you have 149 int and 5 crap slots, um ok, cool you rule. WTH are you and everyone else like you posting about? It is a nice item period. It can be used by several classes period. And each class has some unique benefit from it PERIOD. Pardon my misplaced post but after clicking thru items lists tonite yeesh, its the same BS crap on every link. Save it. And for the post on alteration... 15% yeah, well enchanters wont be using that once they hit a cap... but another class who doesnt have "75%" of their spells alt based and isnt at the cap, now they could benefit from that. Think about it, if 75% of spells are alt base, that skill is gonna be maxed fast every time you level and raise the cap.
..... cha is for charm, and pacify type spells resisted aggro checks, debatedly for fear
It's BS to say it's a necro/sk item just because it has a necro/sk focus effect(though the 20ac and stats do make it look nice for a sk).
As a 60 necro, I would never roll for this item. I look for stuff that gives +hitpoints. Yes this has some nice stats, but I'd bank it for any mask that had more than 50hp and decent stats. The 100 mana I'd save casting a pet is a joke.
Now look at other classes that can use it. I would assume the ac by itself makes this decent for a SK. Ac/int/cha is also good for a bard and chanter. Oh yeah, mag/wiz would like the ac/int/mana.
Other classes would get much better use from it than than I would. I'd rather see my guild become more powerful as a whole than have me get every semi-decent piece of necro gear that drops on our raids.
very much agree with you man.. this in my opinion is bard chanter or sk item.. the ac is the only reason i would even think about sk but the fact of the matter is the 40cha and the 15int are only gonna go so far for him.. bard and chanter would get good stats from this item and the bard and chanter would love the ac since they are lower in the ac cat and using mez .. another thing.. if your strong enough to get this item the chances that as a tank "sk" that u need this item over what you have is very slim.. most guilds if they are smart would give this to a chanter of a bard and most guilds ubber sk's are already better then the ac on this via the stats on an other item.. .. good luck all taygarr wiz of the 55th season the seventh hammer sk of the 58th season cazic thule
Leave it to Verant... the mask I currently wear is the Mask of Fall. +7 INT decent AC/MANA and the effect is Improved Healing. Based on the stats I would expect this item to go to an enchanter before anyone, then bards and never to a necro. But the effect (and I am guessing it has changed based on other posts) it necro only (reanimation summoning). That is pretty lame. The affliction would of been better. At least the enchanter that should get this item has DOT's. Not like it really matters for raids. Only thing Enchanters do on any high end raid it buff. Only thing Necro's do is feed mana. Only thing Druids do is heal, or nuke. Would be nice for grinding though.
Hmm. Not sure how you do things where you are from, but I can say from experience that chanters DO do a lot more than just buff on raids. During break in many times we are still called upon to crowd control unless your guild has enough good tanks to split tank ALL the adds. And when we get to our objective, we are still debuffing (Tash, Cripple, Asphyxiate), or argo controlling (Glam Visage, Horrifying Visage). So even in high end mobs that we have hunted in Ssra (actually ESPECIALLY with those mobs), our job is not done after the buffing is over. Many guilds are finding out they don't have enough 60 chanters for some of the higher end mobs right now and have been keeping their eyes out for good chanters.
I am a 60 level Necro I was given this item. The effect is reanimation Efficiency III The items was a killer up grade for me The mob droped 2 masks i got one guild chanter got other.
Necros are supposed to be the DoT kings...it is supposed to be the ONE THING we are the best at. So why did they make the items with Affliction Efficiency III(by far the most important focus item for Necros) so much better for other classes? One is great for enchanters, one is great for shamans, and the third is for a bard epic?! Well, this just goes to show that the so-called 'caster balancing' act is another excuse to passively nerf the Necro.
To cut off those of you with the 'But they put group spells in for necros!' thoughts running through your heads- The first group spell a necro gets is so uber rare that I am not even sure it drops anymore. Durations and resistances suck on these spells, and they are still too rarely dropped.
And WTF is a Dustscryer's Crystal Ball doing as a Focus III item?!
I'd just like to point out that CHA is not just for enchanters - it helps necro charms as well (at least it seems to for me). So this really is a top notch necro item. In addition I understand (but cannot confirm for a certainty) that the Affliction line of focus items don't relate to mez at all - they relate to HP based harmful spells - can anyone confirm this?
In short (a) this item is great for necros - if you think this nerfs necros I really must disagree - played right we OWN and this item makes us more powerful for sure; and (b) this really is a better item for necros than enchanters for the reasons stated above - but then it's nice by anyone's standards.
That's my 2 cents - now i'm off to poison a few high elven kids and their grannies in GFay ;P
Falrinth Twysted 57 Dark Elven Necromancer Second Age Cazic Thule
Try being a halfling druid (one of the very best druids in the game). Druids may not be the DOT kings, but they sure do live by them most of the time in any given situation.
Now, do a search for Affliction Efficiency III for a halfling druid, and this is the only item that comes up. :)
We'd be lucky to get this item in a group... it screams Enchanter, if not any int caster.
All the other classes are nerfed when compared to druids.... VI seems to favor the druids, making them have the best effects (look at SS tunic), have pets, and port, druids dont need to be able to be good at DoTing! The only people that should be able to roll on Affliction haste and efficiency items (Depending on stats) should be Shammies and Necros, overall, shammies have the best single DoT but Necros are the best DoTers when it comes to stacking DoTs up. Other classes get DoTs but the Affliction focuses should be given to the people that are good at DoTing, not somebody that has a few DoTs but could never out damage a person that is actually good at DoTing. Druids get me angry because they think everything should be made for or should be given to them because they are spoiled idiots. Druids I guess get all the stuff they get because they have to make up for the fact that they are one of the weakest classes in the game.
You *are* kidding right? Necros are not overpowered, and I doubt VI still thinks of them that way. Focus items are pretty crappily implemented in a lot of cases. For instance, a lot of what would benefit a hybrid... will never be used by a hybrid because the stats suck or it is a high enough end encounter that a guild would be silly to let a hybrid use one. I think it sucks, but I don't think VI is out to "passively nerf" the hybrid classes.
These items are just poorly set up. Case in point, Shadel Bandit ring. It is a very nice ring, and it drops in a 50+ zone. However, it now has Summoning Haste II. Wow. so the ring now has an effect that is useless to at most Mages and *perhaps* Shamen, and the II demarcation means that it will not fire on most of the pets used by anyone hunting in FG. VI was not arbitrary with what effects they stuck on various items, but it comes close.
Its not an attempt to passively nerf the necro, and I think you may want to start looknig at what is good about your class before hollering about nerfage. I see the same sort of paranoid attitude on the part of some rangers, and it gets old fast no matter what class is subscribing to it.
Affliction efficiency III has been reported as being added to this item. Only other known items with this effect at this time is the white dragon scale cloak and skywatcher's monocle. This is easily the most obtainable item to get with this effect... and is almost worthless to necros and shamans (the two main DoT classes). Actually, the monocle is the only good item with affliction efficiency III on it. It's really too bad. What were they thinking on this one?
Actually, what most people don't seem to realize is that 'Affliction' on the new focus items refers to all harmful spells with a duration, not just dots. That includes mezzes and slows. Therefore, this effect just goes further toward making this an enchanter's dream mask. : )
It is also quite appropriate for Necromancers and Shadowknights actually. Of course, wisdom based casters will be less than thrilled but hey, it is still better than almost anything for those that use the various time-based spells.
Indeed, Enchanters should be suitably interested though.
as much as i hate doing this consider SK's for this as well AC- we all need that INT-SK's are INT casters CHR-ok thats kinda wasted on SK's ALT mod- SKs use primarily ALT spells just like Necros do
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Posted:Apr 29 2002 at 2:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think chanters will benifit most, at this level chanters prolly have their epic. Hasting takes up a lot of mana, so that mana free haste changes the whole game for them. Here's what it does, it makes a chanter wanna specialize in conjuration instead of alteration. Therefore alteration spell cap becomes 235, conjuration spell cap becomes 252. 15% of 235 = 35.25 add it to 235 = 270.25. In theroy you can have over the character value of 255, or game cap 252 with SoL. Even if you can't get the 270.25 believe me, 252 is much better then 235. The stats are way to obvious and I have no desire to go any further on this subject.
lets face it, yes perhaps the best class that will benifit this item is the chanter, but look at the other stats, how many 20ac face slots do you see, if this drops, and i lose the roll to a tank, id be upset, but i would still congradulate him, and move on... yes this is on ym dream list of gear, and i would love to get this... its all/all.. meaning everyone can use it, and yes every class will benifit from it just the ac alone... anyways lates
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Posted:Apr 26 2002 at 3:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) how many damn times does it have to be said... any guild that can take down the high end luclin mobs DOES NOT ROLL ON ITEMS!!!!!! it is awarded... damn i think you people are deaf sometimes
How about instead of posting wonderful, long-winded reasons for who should get this item you just STFU and worry about who should get it when one actually drops for YOU and the group/raid YOU are with/on? And let everyone else worry about who "should" get it when one drops for them?
It's highly unlikely, after all, that you'll be grouping with the other people that post here anyway.