Ruins of Kunark
the entire list below are arguments about whether this is good ofr bards due to Dex/Cha buff.
IT IS!!!
Dex/Cha does make a difference in song fizzing for bards only. Also dex/cha work in blocks.
Example (and just an example): blocks of 0-120, 121-170, 171-220.
1. stat of 1 to 120 give same bonus
2. if you have stat of 121 it's better than 0-120
3. doesn't matter if you have 170, still same as having 121. Gotta break each cap to get the higher bonuses.
Cha is good for ALL mezzing.
The FE (focus effect) is good for ALL pet classes, espeically those that do Pet Canni.
Those who want to burn their eyes out reading repeats of the same shiet over and over again keep reading the rest of the posts.
My info from some GREAT posts below and personal experiences. Just too much ranting. I'm just trying to help those who have a 56k modem or below from wasting time.
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Posted: Dec 01 2003 at 11:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First off im only gonna say it once this game is human based role's ok for 1 INT is you intelegance Brain storm wake up and secon Wisdom hmm wake up do you have the wisdom needed to cast your spells and how mutch do you have equals thee amount of times you can cast / and 3rd Charisma shall I chamr you too read this and is my charm strong enuff too weeken you so that i may mezz your Brain // and now for the fun wake up keep reading like i said doing this once on my day off Ok now for strength im not gonna anser it you should now this one and now for Stamina and agility and Dex here's a little story to tell first thing this morning I had a Large bowl of oat mill boy did it ever boost my stamina and i decided to Jog a few mile's with my shorts on and Boy did wearing shorts realy help my Agility cause they werent so heavy and because I take care of my self and eat right I seem to have Hi Dex and iot makes me run mutch Faster Thee end now in game language Stamina is going to controll how long your able to hold your own and agility is going to folo stamina and dex is going to play thee biggest part of all game players for it will controll your able ness to hit acurate and you will have more damage done and more weppon procs // ill clue you in on my wisdom of what i just typed I read and help Program alot of this game stuff so all be safe take care and sorry for my not so perfect wording and typing but ive worked all day im tired kk
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jul 04 2003 at 10:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I was just clicking random things on the front page and I come to see all this a'bickerin and a'fightin. Well Yeeehaw!
9 posts
for those who keep saying that DEX/CHA are useless, you guys missed something.
first, ALL casters/hybrids could use DEX to reduce fizzling rate; for bard, higher DEX means less chance to "miss a note", if you don't believe me, go check it out by yourself with 90 dex and 180 dex to see the difference, or go to Concert Hall / EQDiva to ask ppl.
Someone in consert hall has tested the effect of CHA and posted the result:
http://pub147.ezboard.com/ftheconcerthallbackstage.showMessage?topicID=16727.topic
65 using epic w/ mastery3
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148cha
Missed notes: 84
Songs sung: 1052
Missed note percentage: 7.98
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198cha
Missed notes: 73
Songs sung: 1029
Missed note percentage: 7.09
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269cha
Missed notes: 57
Songs sung: 1078
Missed note percentage: 5.29
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305cha
Missed notes: 45
Songs sung: 1105
Missed note percentage: 4.07
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seems like CHA helps to reduce bard's fizzling rate as well.
then, do CHA play a role on mezz / charm? i haven't really test it out by myself, but based on what i read from EQDiva, it was the EQ deverlopers corner officially stated that CHA plays a role on secondary resist check (primary resist check is magic) -- first check the magic resist, then check the CHA. It's from EQ developers, so /shurg.
On the other hand, i am pretty sure that CHA plays a very important role on lull -- when your lull being resisted, how good your cha determined the chance that you will aggro the mob; the better CHA you have, the less chance you will aggro the mob on lull failures -- it's also from offical and being confirmed by some players.
And some bards reported that CHA has magical number - 120 and 200, means that if your CHA is 200+ is better than if you are only 120+ is better than if you are 120-. It also means that it doesn't matter you have 121CHA or 199CHA, they are just the same. That explained why some people won't see any difference between 120 and 170 CHA. However, i also heard someone said that the magical number is 170, some said it's 180, some said it's 220. So, don't take my word about magical number because that could be a hoax.
is hp/ac always > dex/cha for bard? I dunno, it's upto you how to play your bard. i have seen a bard like to charm a lot, have seen a tanking bard who can tank minis better than some average gear sk/palli, have seen a lot of CC bard, have seen a bard don't know how to group but swarm kite all the way to lvl 65, have seen a bard doing good melee damage almost as good as another ranger in group, have seen a bard being single pulling in BoT for a whole day without a single bad pull while another monk died couple times and brought bad pull sometimes. hp/ac is important? yes. hp/ac is the only important stats for bard? no, at least for me it's not. it is situational, remember you are playing a bard but not a tank.
Edited, Wed Mar 5 17:39:31 2003
first, ALL casters/hybrids could use DEX to reduce fizzling rate; for bard, higher DEX means less chance to "miss a note", if you don't believe me, go check it out by yourself with 90 dex and 180 dex to see the difference, or go to Concert Hall / EQDiva to ask ppl.
Someone in consert hall has tested the effect of CHA and posted the result:
http://pub147.ezboard.com/ftheconcerthallbackstage.showMessage?topicID=16727.topic
65 using epic w/ mastery3
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148cha
Missed notes: 84
Songs sung: 1052
Missed note percentage: 7.98
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198cha
Missed notes: 73
Songs sung: 1029
Missed note percentage: 7.09
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269cha
Missed notes: 57
Songs sung: 1078
Missed note percentage: 5.29
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305cha
Missed notes: 45
Songs sung: 1105
Missed note percentage: 4.07
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seems like CHA helps to reduce bard's fizzling rate as well.
then, do CHA play a role on mezz / charm? i haven't really test it out by myself, but based on what i read from EQDiva, it was the EQ deverlopers corner officially stated that CHA plays a role on secondary resist check (primary resist check is magic) -- first check the magic resist, then check the CHA. It's from EQ developers, so /shurg.
On the other hand, i am pretty sure that CHA plays a very important role on lull -- when your lull being resisted, how good your cha determined the chance that you will aggro the mob; the better CHA you have, the less chance you will aggro the mob on lull failures -- it's also from offical and being confirmed by some players.
And some bards reported that CHA has magical number - 120 and 200, means that if your CHA is 200+ is better than if you are only 120+ is better than if you are 120-. It also means that it doesn't matter you have 121CHA or 199CHA, they are just the same. That explained why some people won't see any difference between 120 and 170 CHA. However, i also heard someone said that the magical number is 170, some said it's 180, some said it's 220. So, don't take my word about magical number because that could be a hoax.
is hp/ac always > dex/cha for bard? I dunno, it's upto you how to play your bard. i have seen a bard like to charm a lot, have seen a tanking bard who can tank minis better than some average gear sk/palli, have seen a lot of CC bard, have seen a bard don't know how to group but swarm kite all the way to lvl 65, have seen a bard doing good melee damage almost as good as another ranger in group, have seen a bard being single pulling in BoT for a whole day without a single bad pull while another monk died couple times and brought bad pull sometimes. hp/ac is important? yes. hp/ac is the only important stats for bard? no, at least for me it's not. it is situational, remember you are playing a bard but not a tank.
Edited, Wed Mar 5 17:39:31 2003
Here's another interesting thing about CHA. I have a necro that I tried testing out different CHA on, and whith higher CHA, I did not see a change in how often mez (Screaming Terror) was resisted. However, I did see a difference in the percentage of the successful mezzes that also got a mem-wipe! I'm going to go back some day and get better data, but it seemed like a fairly substantial delta when I crossed over 100 CHA.
For places like LDON where you sometimes have to mez 2 or even 3 targets, and necro mez is very short duration, I find that upping mem-wipe chances means that I have a better chance of living long enough to re-mez something if it breaks before I loop around to it. Then again, I usually prefer to just get a chanter in the group ;-)
For places like LDON where you sometimes have to mez 2 or even 3 targets, and necro mez is very short duration, I find that upping mem-wipe chances means that I have a better chance of living long enough to re-mez something if it breaks before I loop around to it. Then again, I usually prefer to just get a chanter in the group ;-)
Very good post. However, dex does not effect fizzles for casters. Only for bards. Charisma does not effect fizzles for casters either.
18 posts
If you think a bard needs this ring then you don't know the class. CHA and DEX are virtually worthless to a bard. I mez with about the same efficiency at 120 CHA as I did when I was 170.
Bards should invest in STA, hp, and STR (if not capped).
Bards should invest in STA, hp, and STR (if not capped).
5 posts
Oh one more thing about STA , IMHO if you get hit in the high end game, you'll die in no time... cos the mob hit for like 400 + and they quad.... So.. the idea is know when to stop you song and play your song so you dun get aggro.. if you get aggro... extra stat cxan't really help cos the amout of HP you derive from STA is way lesser then any other Tank class... It has to be so.. COS you are not meant to tank.. that's why you dun have the skill to tuant
5 posts
! am a bard... my 64 Dream of terris get less resist when with charisma of 235 compared to 180.... oh... btw dream of terris is 64 mezz song... and same goes for 62 lull song... at least i see the difference in BoT... and if you click on character creation in EQ... it'll say Cha and DEx affect song fizzle... compared to last time when i had very high dex but cha of 120... my current charisma is like my dex above 180... my song fizzle much lesser... unless you tell me it is coincidental...
Briox
64 Bard
Briox
64 Bard
18 posts
If you think a bard needs this ring then you don't know the class. CHA and DEX are virtually worthless to a bard. I mez with about the same efficiency at 120 CHA as I did when I was 170.
Bards should invest in STA, hp, and STR (if not capped).
Bards should invest in STA, hp, and STR (if not capped).
Dont know bout other bards but dex and cha is very important to me and i solo.
Singdarra Eversong 54 bard
Singdarra Eversong 54 bard
12 posts
sholdnt this ring be wortrh more than 800?
31 posts
This ring is total crap ( other than the focus effect) Since this has turned into an off topic bard discussion , bards should stay away from trash like this ring.
~Muse Sournote~
Level 61 class titled bard on xev
~Muse Sournote~
Level 61 class titled bard on xev
35 posts
Crap? This is an excellent ring for bards! I think you're just trying to down play the ring because you want a pair. What effects our twisting of songs? Our dexterity.. Thus this ring has lots of! What effects our ability to mez? Our Charisma.. Also given on this ring! And AC of 8 is great for any class! So stop trying to throw people off, this is an awesome ring for bards!
i would like to say a few things. first off tawnos, i use 7cha 5dex rings. yeah i would love to have a set of these signets because they have better dex and ac. but why would anyone use the godforsaken rings i have now? simple, i'm not a twink and i don't have better. sure i could use ac, but when it comes down to it, it is a matter of whether i want ac or cha. why, for many reasons. one, bards are melee assists, not tanks. if i spent all my time on ac i would neglect other stats that i find more beneficial, when it is pointless to work on ac. it isn't nessecary, but if it is a personal pride thing, i see nothing wrong with it. i solo, and i charm alot, so i need cha. second i am not a tank and rather have crowd control abilities than ac. that's 2 birds with one stone there. so i can't take a hit.... i am a bard not super-man. if i could do everything i wouldn't need a group. (currently i don't anyway, just there for the commaradery) i am just happy that i can do many things well and will forgo one measily thing such as tanking to be able to do that. second, why do you think bards don't get taunt? because we are not tanks. getting stunned just turns a bard into the worlds crappiest tank if you are going that route. second, dex is important, maybe not as important as some would like to think, but none-the-less. all combat skills go off it, not to mention our bard skills. i don't want to miss a note when it counts.
on a different subject, there is nearly no wrong way to play a bard or any character for that matter. it is all personal preference, speculation and you could argue about it all day till you are blue in the face and still be right where you started.
as far as being a mana battery...
face it. everyone is a tool, and ppl only want you in a group to serve a specific purpose one way or another. chanters for mana regen and crowd control, clerics for healing, etc., etc.
if you are not content with your station in life, i hope you are good at soloing :). besides, as long as you prove yourself as a talented bard, i don't think anyone will see you as just a mana battery.
before i go, just wanted to state, not trying to step on your toes, tawnos. you have prolly been playing longer than me and you are my higher up on the totem pole. just thought i would defend the position of the 7cha, 5dex-ring wearing mana batteries everywhere :)
Bellosard Harpysong
39th song, Morell Thule
on a different subject, there is nearly no wrong way to play a bard or any character for that matter. it is all personal preference, speculation and you could argue about it all day till you are blue in the face and still be right where you started.
as far as being a mana battery...
face it. everyone is a tool, and ppl only want you in a group to serve a specific purpose one way or another. chanters for mana regen and crowd control, clerics for healing, etc., etc.
if you are not content with your station in life, i hope you are good at soloing :). besides, as long as you prove yourself as a talented bard, i don't think anyone will see you as just a mana battery.
before i go, just wanted to state, not trying to step on your toes, tawnos. you have prolly been playing longer than me and you are my higher up on the totem pole. just thought i would defend the position of the 7cha, 5dex-ring wearing mana batteries everywhere :)
Bellosard Harpysong
39th song, Morell Thule
31 posts
I know where you are coming from Bellosard , but I must say from experience that 6AC 65HP rings are WAY better than any cha dex ring , and HP rings dont sell for alot of cash anymore. In fact , I would go so far as to say that a 5HP ring is better than 7CHA 5DEX . Do yourself a favor and give up on the idea that CHA does anything for bards at all, and strap on HP gear like most every other knowledgable player has done. Hit point gear is the MOST important area to work towards once you begin singing area of effect songs at higher level, and it will keep you alive until you get there. Your statement " there is no wrong way to play a bard or other character..... " I must say that you are talking out of your a$$ . There most definitely is a wrong way to play every class ! I normally dont respond on these boards but the idiocy factor of your post got the better of me. In short , I hope that anyone reading this realizes that HP gear is the way to go PERIOD!
~Muse Sournote~
~Level 61 bard~
~Muse Sournote~
~Level 61 bard~
7 posts
Muse,
How did you ever get to 61, Your an idiot.
Your statement that cha doesnt have any effect for a Bard is way off base. Anyone that knows as little as you should keep his thought to himself.
How did you ever get to 61, Your an idiot.
Your statement that cha doesnt have any effect for a Bard is way off base. Anyone that knows as little as you should keep his thought to himself.
Jeesh, I just hit level 65 on my bard and still use this ring because I haven't found anything more beneficial for me to fit in that ring slot that is at a decent price. Prior to that I had a +7 cha +5 dex ring and a +5 cha + 7dex ring to keep things balanced.
To those that say DEX and CHA matter none to a bard stop playing your twink bard and leave the real bards to do the job. Sure now I search for gear with ac, sta and HP to increase my chances of survival if I do happen to get bashed on, but really you shouldn't get hit at all as a bard now should you? My cha is at 217 and I rarely fail a mezz, lull or charm these days, sure you could play it that with high ac and hp you can get beat on more until you get that mezz off but that seems more risky to me...
Bonus on this ring is a ac 8 which in my opinion is pretty awesome for a ring slot too, for someone who deosn't have a 3 year old uber lvl 65 shammy with a gazillion pp to fund their twink tank mana battery bard. Playing on Vallon Zek means the +6 svm doesn't go amiss either
To those that say DEX and CHA matter none to a bard stop playing your twink bard and leave the real bards to do the job. Sure now I search for gear with ac, sta and HP to increase my chances of survival if I do happen to get bashed on, but really you shouldn't get hit at all as a bard now should you? My cha is at 217 and I rarely fail a mezz, lull or charm these days, sure you could play it that with high ac and hp you can get beat on more until you get that mezz off but that seems more risky to me...
Bonus on this ring is a ac 8 which in my opinion is pretty awesome for a ring slot too, for someone who deosn't have a 3 year old uber lvl 65 shammy with a gazillion pp to fund their twink tank mana battery bard. Playing on Vallon Zek means the +6 svm doesn't go amiss either
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Posted: Nov 20 2001 at 6:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Anyone know the PC on this? I'm selling one on Xegony if interested.
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Posted: Nov 20 2001 at 6:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Anyone know the PC on this? I'm selling one on Xegony if interested.
Scholar
16 posts
Most of the time I dont rely on just one strategy..... this can be annoying. I usually have 4 bags just with equipment/food/effects on hand. Spare weapons, practice weapons (while i plan to practice) instruments, resist gear, *charisma gear*, ac gear, food, water, gate potions, and things like goblin skull earrings and illusions. Most of the time i use the bare minimum on stats and am fairly pragmatic about my goals. I almost always prefer ac/hp, but if my charms aren't sticking enough, or the mobs are blasting me badly, then i'll compromise a little. I can never stick true to one the entire time, but i also can't keep swapping to tasks because it comes quite tedious. Bring what you need, surround one area of statistics that your aiming for to accomplish your goals and let loose on the rest.
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Posted: Oct 17 2001 at 6:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Bards wearing those godforsaken 7cha 5dex rings are my personal pet peeve. How many times must people be told how worthless dex is compared to other stats before they finally believe it? And as for charisma, if yer under 150 just go get yerself a nice Kobold Jester Crown in upper dogs. plus 30 cha and 15 ac. I wear Twilight helm myself, but never found a better bard hat before that one (including singing steel). Facts are yer not an enchanter, you are a bard. Take off those damn 0ac rings and get in some real combat gear and start playing your bard like it was meant to be played... a jack of all trades. That means being able to take a few hits without crumpling like a little girl. You run around with 7cha jeweler rings yer adding to the common perception that bards are just bad chanters who are supposed to sit around playing manasong. Start taking charge, pull a few mobs... charm the adds. Don't just be another worthless cookie cutter manabattery that people pick up when they can't find a chanter.
12 posts
For such an upper lvl bard, you seem to be awfully narrow minded. I have a lvl 58 bard, and let me tell you, I have had to play many roles in my life - tank, crowd control, and yes mana battery. We are a jack of all trades, and as such, we need to be prepared. I don't keep the my dex/cha rings equipped all the time, but I keep them with me at all times.
This bard's motto: Be prepared.
7 cha/5 dex rings help me do that.
I wouldn't mind owning one of these overseer rings so I could swap out other cha gear for more quote unquote "melee gear." Nice AC on these.
This bard's motto: Be prepared.
7 cha/5 dex rings help me do that.
I wouldn't mind owning one of these overseer rings so I could swap out other cha gear for more quote unquote "melee gear." Nice AC on these.
Nowadays 'mana battery' is merely one of the many things we do together with other things. Now that they have changed the 'pulse mana' songs, there really is only one mana song (and two healing songs) that you can play at all times.
PS: the second healing song is one of those shieldlike icons that I don't recall the name of right away. ;)
PS: the second healing song is one of those shieldlike icons that I don't recall the name of right away. ;)
I have always claimed to be a enchanter rogue hybrid more than anything else as a bard. These 8ac 8dex 8chr are great but would be the last item I would upgrade from my 5dex7chr rings and full pack of chr gear and instruments. We are jack-of-all-trades, so going for pure ac and str would also be a mistake. I run a pair of jagged bands and 5 dex7chr rings for finger slots depending on the group. 45brd on Pover unpowerlvled
4 posts
<shrug> That's ok, one of my pet peeves is bards who try to tell others how to play the game. Considering I'm at 1120 AC even with my dex/cha rings, I believe you can stow it. ;)
Flarestar Bladesinger
Flarestar Bladesinger
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Posted: Oct 17 2001 at 4:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The kobold jesters crown takes off cha I believe. Go check it again. Dex does help with a few things, they have announced it a few times on servers. Many of the things people say that it does affect, is wrong, but it still affects some things. If they want more cha and dex, the can get it.
Scholar
43 posts
Sorry my friend you should check the facts before posting.
Kobold Jester's Crown
AC15 Agi+5 Dex-5 Cha+30 Int-30
Kobold Jester's Crown
AC15 Agi+5 Dex-5 Cha+30 Int-30
I can see your point - kind of. But allow me to say a word in the defense of bards who actually do try to max out their CHA and DEX.
The reason I started a bard is because my druid couldn't get groups in OS. I decided I should have one character for grouping and one character for soloing. When my bard reached level 45 or so, people became very anxious to have me in their group. Why do so many want a bard in their group? Well, as you know - everyone has a plan for you in their group. The caster/priests are glad to have you because you can sing their mana back (face it - they're just using you). The melee types expect you to play haste songs during conflict. And you add a little bit of security because you're a contingency plan in case the enchanter is dead or otherwise unavailable.
Basically, because you're a jack-of-all-trades, you need to prepare yourself for any scenario. Sometimes it helps to carry extra equipment so that you can change your role a bit. Course, its your game - you play it the way you want to play. But so many times, because I could mez and charm I was the glue that held a group together. I like my CHA for that reason - I always wanted to be effective at my most important bardic tasks. Nobody ever complained that I wasn't kicking enough ***, but if I'm slacking on manasong, I get an earful. If theres an overpull and you can't get the mobs mezzed, people might start to wonder if you're worth having around. So I got my CHA to 171.
Still, I always enjoyed melee, and I would always try (oh, how I would try) to keep up with the warriors, pallies, SK's... and sometimes I actually could do a respectable job as long as my weapons were proccing - hence the DEX.
I do appreciate your opinion on the electrum ruby rings, but bards are extraordinary in their diversity - that would make a number of rings appropriate. For other classes, their duties are clearly defined at birth, not quite as true for a bard - how you play your game can vary much more widely. Thats why bards are the most challenging class to play. And that may explain why there are so few higher level bards around, as opposed to druids, monks, warriors... you know what I'm getting at. As a bard, you can control your destiny to a larger extent. Which brings me to my point....umm....I think I made it a few sentences ago. Damn, I really need to start coming up with a thesis statement before I respond to posts.
The reason I started a bard is because my druid couldn't get groups in OS. I decided I should have one character for grouping and one character for soloing. When my bard reached level 45 or so, people became very anxious to have me in their group. Why do so many want a bard in their group? Well, as you know - everyone has a plan for you in their group. The caster/priests are glad to have you because you can sing their mana back (face it - they're just using you). The melee types expect you to play haste songs during conflict. And you add a little bit of security because you're a contingency plan in case the enchanter is dead or otherwise unavailable.
Basically, because you're a jack-of-all-trades, you need to prepare yourself for any scenario. Sometimes it helps to carry extra equipment so that you can change your role a bit. Course, its your game - you play it the way you want to play. But so many times, because I could mez and charm I was the glue that held a group together. I like my CHA for that reason - I always wanted to be effective at my most important bardic tasks. Nobody ever complained that I wasn't kicking enough ***, but if I'm slacking on manasong, I get an earful. If theres an overpull and you can't get the mobs mezzed, people might start to wonder if you're worth having around. So I got my CHA to 171.
Still, I always enjoyed melee, and I would always try (oh, how I would try) to keep up with the warriors, pallies, SK's... and sometimes I actually could do a respectable job as long as my weapons were proccing - hence the DEX.
I do appreciate your opinion on the electrum ruby rings, but bards are extraordinary in their diversity - that would make a number of rings appropriate. For other classes, their duties are clearly defined at birth, not quite as true for a bard - how you play your game can vary much more widely. Thats why bards are the most challenging class to play. And that may explain why there are so few higher level bards around, as opposed to druids, monks, warriors... you know what I'm getting at. As a bard, you can control your destiny to a larger extent. Which brings me to my point....umm....I think I made it a few sentences ago. Damn, I really need to start coming up with a thesis statement before I respond to posts.
Incidentally, you may have found out that Bards solo pretty well too (so if you really like your bard, you can use him/her for both grouping and soloing).
Favorite options include: chant kiting (with a good drum you'll find it hard to output similar dps meleeing), charming (let the mobs beat each other down while you hit those drums) and if you're into mass slaughter there's swarm kiting.
Naturally, there are other ways for bards (which is why I love them, they can kill mobs in so many different ways) but they are usually a little slower.
Favorite options include: chant kiting (with a good drum you'll find it hard to output similar dps meleeing), charming (let the mobs beat each other down while you hit those drums) and if you're into mass slaughter there's swarm kiting.
Naturally, there are other ways for bards (which is why I love them, they can kill mobs in so many different ways) but they are usually a little slower.
Scholar
16 posts
I usually prefer 6ac 65hp rings for the ac and hp boost, but these are definitely superior to all jewelry stat/hp rings. The ac on these is killer, the resist are a nice addition, and very valuable stats, the only thing its missing is hp/mana or some clickable effect. =)
As an enchanter I wear the electrum star ruby rings myself. This would be a wonderful upgrade. And a little extra MR wouldn't hurt. I get tired of swapping out half of my equipment when I need more MR.
Now if only my group could get to the overseer without several CRs =)
The Countess
Now if only my group could get to the overseer without several CRs =)
The Countess
27 posts
Being a Ranger who loves his bow, I really wish to have a couple of these. If you are on Vazaelle and wish to sell them, please contact me. Email: attilaterre_bayle@hotmail.com
I'm usually on in the evenings Eastern Time.
I'm usually on in the evenings Eastern Time.
5 posts
At high levels charisma isnt exactly hard to come by, even with all resists around 100, I have 171 cha. And I haven't finished my epic and neither do I have the shawl from sirens grotto which would put me above 200 cha. Personally I use either MR rings or diamond rings, 65 hp rings hmm, sounds more like unbuffed soloing gear to me.
12 posts
Firstly, to my esteemed fellow bard Jackofspeed. The best ring for your bard was actually the good old Velium Fire Wedding Ring. I think most accomplished bards will back me on this. As for my own bard? Not sure if I want to trade 130hp for 16cha and dex. Svm is nice, but I've got more than enough of that as it is. I will be getting a pair of these somehow, but the verdict is not yet out. For chanters? Go nuts, this is a great ring.
Tawnos Dogslayer
Level 59 Troubadour
Zebrowhatever
Tawnos Dogslayer
Level 59 Troubadour
Zebrowhatever
22 posts
I have to disagree here... I'm a 53 bard on the Quellious server, and honestly, I've worn the 7cha/5dex rings since I was level 10, and I have no plans of giving them up (except for BD resist rings when called for and, should I get a shot at them, these). HP is fairly easy to come by on most things, and I'm a dex/cha *****. The mr on these is a nice bonus, and the 8AC is frankly amazing. A VERY nice upgrade for those of us bards who trust our tanks. ;)
Lauriston Pianoforte
Bard of the 53 Coda
Quellious
Lauriston Pianoforte
Bard of the 53 Coda
Quellious
BD don't make resist rings ;)
6 posts
check again, I do believe silver makes rings
Well yeah but its like 3 or 4 to all saves, waste of a bd when a diamond makes 8 to all...
7 posts
I have to agree, I will probably never give up my velium fire opal rings. Even the coldain ring quest doesn't really match them until the 10th ring. IMHO, HP & resists >> AC >> all other stats.
Edit: Went and checked, the 9th ring is also better than the velium fire opals.
Edit: Went and checked, the 9th ring is also better than the velium fire opals.
Ruldar <El'lar Dobluth>
68 Maestro of The Rathe
68 Maestro of The Rathe
6 posts
This drops off the overseer which is pretty deep in Chardok. He spawned 2 times in about 2 2 1/2 hours (20 min spawn time) and both times dropped this ring. Most of the mobs in the area are 55+ some can be mezed with dazzle while the rest required Glamour. We held the camp easily with a group of 55+, though there were a few rough spots with the quick respawn time.
I got the first one and the bard in the group took the second and I can't wait to go back for another.
Celara Von'Sabrewulf
Beguiler of 57 Seasons
The Hand
Xev
I got the first one and the bard in the group took the second and I can't wait to go back for another.
Celara Von'Sabrewulf
Beguiler of 57 Seasons
The Hand
Xev
Enough people have probably mentioned that this is a nice ring, but to be honest this ring REALLY kicks some SERIOUS buttock. The best I could ever my do through 48 for my bard was electrum ruby rings - like 7 cha, 5 dex or something. But this ring completely smears those. The AC, the CHA, the DEX - its got it all for a bard.
Even though VI are generally a bunch of dinks, they've done a pretty nice job on Chardok. After my first CR in Chardok I swore that I would never go back to that hell hole. After the second CR, I was even more convinced - but if I was still playing my bard, I might try to get his butt in there just for a shot at this ring. (or maybe two ;)
Even though VI are generally a bunch of dinks, they've done a pretty nice job on Chardok. After my first CR in Chardok I swore that I would never go back to that hell hole. After the second CR, I was even more convinced - but if I was still playing my bard, I might try to get his butt in there just for a shot at this ring. (or maybe two ;)
17 posts
dinks? double income no kids?
nt
This is a very sweet ring and yes I agree very good for Bards and enchanters for the charisma. I would like to add though that any Ranger that actually uses his bow would love this item for the 8 dex!
Adita
Ranger of never enough seasons
Adita
Ranger of never enough seasons
Should would like this for my paladin. Hopefully someone in my guild can get me on on the next raid. Revered Souls on Morell-Thule
#REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 15 2001 at 9:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) how pathetic, crying and whoring your name and guild to subtley beg for loot
Bards and enchanters will be after this one for sure.
Man, that's a nice bard item. =)
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