Scars of Veliousthis isn't made for a tank in anyway shape or form no matter what ne1 thinks except hybrids, (which casters should and DO have first lotto on this for a reason) when your raiding you want your casters regaining mana faster not realizing that all the primal/pricless velium bows have better stats for a melee and are easier to come by =P give these kinda items to clerics/dr00ds/(shammies dun need =P)/ wizzies/ and mages, there is a reason those are th classes that lotto on these, btw whoever said enchanters dun need cha, you either don't play a chanter or don't play one very well....
Brain of Cazic-Thule
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43 posts
BullS&^% This is made for all/all meaning anyone can use it, And with all the SV's 100hp, 10str 10sta i do think tanks could use this...
My 2Cp
My 2Cp
this isn't made for a tank in anyway shape or form no matter what ne1 thinks except hybrids, (which casters should and DO have first lotto on this for a reason) when your raiding you want your casters regaining mana faster not realizing that all the primal/pricless velium bows have better stats for a melee and are easier to come by =P give these kinda items to clerics/dr00ds/(shammies dun need =P)/ wizzies/ and mages, there is a reason those are th classes that lotto on these, btw whoever said enchanters dun need cha, you either don't play a chanter or don't play one very well....
#REDACTED,
Posted: Nov 20 2001 at 3:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's very great or not?lol
Anonymous
what exactly does the proc on this do??
Anonymous
1. It's not a proc (procs are the fancy colours that suddenly lights up cause you are hitting a mob), but effect. Effects are either right-clickable (used like a spell of sorts) or they are permanent (i.e you don't have to do anything to start it). This is a permanent effect like that.
2. "Flowing Through I" gives wielder 1 extra mana per tick; compared to Clarity II which gives you a max of 11 mana per tick. One tick is about 6 seconds.
Hope this helps, your truly:
V.M.
2. "Flowing Through I" gives wielder 1 extra mana per tick; compared to Clarity II which gives you a max of 11 mana per tick. One tick is about 6 seconds.
Hope this helps, your truly:
V.M.
28 posts
I don't know how many times we've killed the old Fool, but so far we've only got on of these. :( So yes, it's a very rare drop.
-- Zwoop
-- Zwoop
Anonymous
It's sort of been decided that although forever we've been hearing how important CHA is to an enchanter, it's really not all that important. When you go shopping, take this off and cast the "I Love You" spells on yourself and your merchants. When in battle, cast Tashan-series prior to Charm. You'll never miss the CHA. Most chanters know this now. Some do not.
7 posts
This item is good for everyone. The only negative is -25 CHA. So some people say then no enchanters why would they want this? Guess what for all the same reasons everyone else does. Currently depending on the situation with charisma buff I'm at around 250 charisma and it can be 255. With just one item from either Siren's Grotto or Sleeper's Tomb I could eat the -25 charisma and still be around 250 charisma. So if you aren't in the position of getting these items STFU. Thank You.
Made for specific people? Bah, I dont know anyone who wouldn't want this.
Not neccesarilary caster item though most casters would kill you for letting this go to anyone else nore is anyone going to get it for a while that isn't a casters cuz of FT1
Anonymous
FT doesn't mean a thing on this item. one extra mana per tick?? What is that compared to the stats? Nothing.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Aug 22 2001 at 2:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I hope by the time my ranger is high enough to join in killing Cazic-Thule all the casters on the raid already have their shawls :)
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 30 2001 at 1:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WRONG this can be used by Chanters but because of the negative charisma its not very reccomended unless you are uber in that area also, this is uber for druid and pretty much any class who couldnt use the 100 hp and mana? plus the int will help with many tradeskils and the wisdom will help with those tight situations where someone just is a bit to low on mana to cast a spell normally heh (the first chance i get im breaking into the planes and gonna blow this guys BRAIN out and take it heh.)..................
Anonymous
Charisma isn't all that important, even to an enchanter. Flame away, it's the truth.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Sep 18 2001 at 4:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) >>(the first chance i get im breaking into the
Anonymous
"While this item is fairly uber for every class, (except for me... [chanter] I'd rather have an empty range slot than this in there...)"
Ack!! You'd rather have an empty slot than lose 25 CHA while adding the rest of these stats?? OMG. PEOPLE. It's important that this message reach the eyes and ears of any passing Enchanter. I'll even type it in all caps, only to show that I stand behind these words, and always will (unless Verant changes something)...
CHARISMA IS NOT IMPORTANT, EVEN TO AN ENCHANTER.
Why?
CHA affects two things:
1) The way you con to an NPC -and-
2) The likelihood of a Charm spell *landing* (it does not however effect the duration of a Charm spell)
So let's cover this:
1) NPC Con. Easy enough. Take this off before you go shopping. Put on the appropriate illusions. Cast your various faction improving spells. Cast CHA spells on yourself. Case closed.
2) Charming. The effect lower CHA has on charming is absolutely minimal. And as EVERY GOOD CHANTER should know, have your Tash line UP at all times, and even this minimal nerf on Charm becomes a moot point.
I reckon through the ages there has been many an enchanter who has let an item go due to a decrease in CHA. The poster who said they'd rather have an empty slot than this item... well, I am very very sorry but that is pure i*n*s*a*n*i*t*y.
Anyway. If you don't take my word for it, go to any good Chanter-only webpages. CHA is overrated and most good high-level chanters know this now.
Ack!! You'd rather have an empty slot than lose 25 CHA while adding the rest of these stats?? OMG. PEOPLE. It's important that this message reach the eyes and ears of any passing Enchanter. I'll even type it in all caps, only to show that I stand behind these words, and always will (unless Verant changes something)...
CHARISMA IS NOT IMPORTANT, EVEN TO AN ENCHANTER.
Why?
CHA affects two things:
1) The way you con to an NPC -and-
2) The likelihood of a Charm spell *landing* (it does not however effect the duration of a Charm spell)
So let's cover this:
1) NPC Con. Easy enough. Take this off before you go shopping. Put on the appropriate illusions. Cast your various faction improving spells. Cast CHA spells on yourself. Case closed.
2) Charming. The effect lower CHA has on charming is absolutely minimal. And as EVERY GOOD CHANTER should know, have your Tash line UP at all times, and even this minimal nerf on Charm becomes a moot point.
I reckon through the ages there has been many an enchanter who has let an item go due to a decrease in CHA. The poster who said they'd rather have an empty slot than this item... well, I am very very sorry but that is pure i*n*s*a*n*i*t*y.
Anyway. If you don't take my word for it, go to any good Chanter-only webpages. CHA is overrated and most good high-level chanters know this now.
11 posts
high charisma does affect mezz efficiency
as for the way NPC cons it depends on faction (and chanters have faction boost spells (alliance and benevolence)). Illusions can help in some way (most famous is amulet of necropotence that enables goodies to trade in evil cities)
as a rule for any chanter, first thing is level of mob versus level of chanter then Magic resist from the mob/npc then the amount of charisma from the chanter
alactene
chanter 58th
as for the way NPC cons it depends on faction (and chanters have faction boost spells (alliance and benevolence)). Illusions can help in some way (most famous is amulet of necropotence that enables goodies to trade in evil cities)
as a rule for any chanter, first thing is level of mob versus level of chanter then Magic resist from the mob/npc then the amount of charisma from the chanter
alactene
chanter 58th
8 posts
This is so funny how noob drool over the stuff they can't get i mean you know 60 people that say they can't get the dam item so unless you are planing on joining an uber guild that raids gods and such plz don't plan on getting this item. and speeking of uber hard things to kill i was talking to a guildy who watched king tormax go down it took the guild so dam long it was freakin funny. FYI yes i am also under 46 but i lvl fast(not looking foward too 45 though)
Tichan Dadestroyer
Lvl 42 Halfling Warrior of karana
Tichan Dadestroyer
Lvl 42 Halfling Warrior of karana
That is Sooooo gross. LOL least its a new grafic and cool stats. Darn that ugly beast, just had to have low cha.
47 posts
If this should go to a melee, then a Cloak of Piety should go to a caster....
Melee get Haste items
Casters get mana regen items
Sure, hybrids could use the mana regen.....Just like a druid or shammy could use a haste item....
Melee get Haste items
Casters get mana regen items
Sure, hybrids could use the mana regen.....Just like a druid or shammy could use a haste item....
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 30 2001 at 12:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this item will never go to a melee class, NEVER EVER NEVER...Melee class with this would be shot on the spot.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 30 2001 at 12:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this item will never go to a melee class, NEVER EVER NEVER...Melee class with this would be shot on the spot.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jul 25 2001 at 4:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) first off i agree this should be merited but i know some guilds that just let people roll....saw this goto an enchanter a couple months ago...wtf would a chanter want with this? is the - cha really worth the int? and if your high enough to take down this mob shouldnt you have had 200 int already? personally i think it should go to tank classes that typically have heavier armor but in all honesty this is a GREAT item for anyone to have cept chanters imo its a good way to get resistances up ect anyway..just my 2 cp..
Anonymous
LOL yes the -cha is WAY worth the int, the mana, the str, the ... everything about this item. charisma is pretty unimportant. even to an enchanter, it really only effects if a charm spell lands. that's about it. in shopping situations chanters can control their faction standing.
somewhere along the lines, some fool must have posted ENCHANTERS NEED HIGH CHARISMA!!!!! over and over and over because there are still people who believe it is the end-all stat for a chanter. it's not. it's bearing on life is minimal.
just FYI
somewhere along the lines, some fool must have posted ENCHANTERS NEED HIGH CHARISMA!!!!! over and over and over because there are still people who believe it is the end-all stat for a chanter. it's not. it's bearing on life is minimal.
just FYI
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 18 2001 at 9:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) God, some of you are so ******* clueless. My guild takes this god down every chance we get. This is not a mob where you roll for ****. First of all, you need to be high enough lvl to even have an opinion, if youre not 55+, shut up. Second, you DO NOT roll for stuff like this. It is awarded to you by the guild leader. If you come to an open raid on a god and this btw pretty much never happens but in case it does, then roll but when youre in a guild, you NEVER roll for things like this or pretty much anything. All 3l33t gear is awarded to you. Flame me all you want but the lvl 50+ people here will agree with me
5 posts
Now the loots off of Mr. God has been handed down to Golems and Dracos, yes, including his brain.
Personally, I think this is made for both casters AND tank classes, with several xeptions.
It has Str+Con+AC+100hp these are tank abilities (no dex or agi though, which makes it less good for Rogue/monk - let me say though, it HAS 10 str and it weights 10 hint hint so the weight is rejectable as it NOT being good for a monk) anyway it also has 10wis 10int 100mana which make it a good caster item
lastly it has a proc (don't know what it does yet, gonna check it out in a sec) which seems caster-based to me, but that's just me though
It has Str+Con+AC+100hp these are tank abilities (no dex or agi though, which makes it less good for Rogue/monk - let me say though, it HAS 10 str and it weights 10 hint hint so the weight is rejectable as it NOT being good for a monk) anyway it also has 10wis 10int 100mana which make it a good caster item
lastly it has a proc (don't know what it does yet, gonna check it out in a sec) which seems caster-based to me, but that's just me though
Ever hear of meriting loot? Try it, it saves time and arguement. When first introduced to it I thought it blew, I mean here I am on a raid giving my all for a chance at maybe getting a roll on a Valorium drop ( there are only so many fetid fiends ya know) and then Cazic goes down and drops Uber loot and a coupla items are merited to the guild members of the guild that planned and organized the raid. At first I was like WTF? then I thought about it and it makes sense, because without the Organizers doing the raid I would have never been there in the first place. Besides most folks in nice enough to give out loot on a raid on a need before greed basis and only allowing 1 win on an item for your class till all in your class have a rare etc. Seems the most equitable way to do things. Same thing for all raids specialy dragons, those of you Paladins who are still trying to get your books know all to well the frustration at them not dropping or having the Vox book go to a caster for thier epic. But hey ya know if ya realy want an Item get together with your guild and plan a raid. Everyone I know goes along with the meriting system, specialy cause some items IF they drop are realy hard to get and often folks give up on getting them after a while. And as for this thing you guys have for saying such and such is a better item for (insert your class here) it may or may not be, but if it drops and is not merited to raid leader, main assist or someone who needs a rare for epic etc. it should be open to all who can use for a random. Just don't waste time bickering or 1) You might not get invited on another raid 2) You might get flamed from here and back 3) It may just rot while ya are bickering (seen it happen before)
Just my 2cp
Just my 2cp
Arcturion Obiwanshinobi
Paladin Extraordinare
Luuke
Ubermonk
Stasis
Prexus Server
Paladin Extraordinare
Luuke
Ubermonk
Stasis
Prexus Server
Anonymous
Humz? Did it ever occur to you that:
Without you guys those leaders wouldn't be there.
V.M.
Without you guys those leaders wouldn't be there.
V.M.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 13 2001 at 2:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This item should be for a sk... great stats neg cha for fear... who else needs ac, sta = for hps, int for mana, more hps and more mana...pure casters don't need hitpoits like sk's b/c we are tanks...we have to take a hit.. i would say sk all day... but i don;t kno what the proc is soo can some one tell me... if its like a a godly caster effet ... the caster should get it.. but if its not... this is a sk item
I have posted for many many neg cha items about this so here goes another one. :) Lower CHA does not help you land fear in any way shape or form. I am not even sure on this but I believe that lower CHA helps fear land on you. Not 100% sure on that one but I DO know that it does not help you land fear. I aught to know. :)
Anonymous
CHA has no bearing on fear.
Anonymous
/agree. lower charisma has no effect on your fear spells, nor higher charisma. its a straight up shot against magic resist. it has been exhaustively tested by a good many folks.
Anonymous
IMO this is for everyone except chanters(hmmm i think i'll mez this mob with the -25 cha...doh) and monks(hmm i'll just keep this 10lbls here) and as for it being just sk good idea, im sure no wis/int(except for chanters) casters would want the 10 int/wis or the 100 mana/hp, and what tank(other than monks) would want a free 10 ac/str/sta to add to their equipment......my solution have everyone except monks/chanters type /random 0 1000....
Raabe Soulshifter <Dragons Kin>
Heretic of the 53rd moon
Vallon Zek
Raabe Soulshifter <Dragons Kin>
Heretic of the 53rd moon
Vallon Zek
IMO this is for everyone except chanters(hmmm i think i'll mez this mob with the -25 cha...doh)
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Actually this would be a fantastic weapon for an enchanter (I also play an enchanter). Charisma is really quite an unimportant battle statistic. The only thing it effects, and quite negligibly at that, is Charm. The lower the charisma, the less likelihood of getting Charm to stick. As some other posters have pointed out, above, it doesn't effect how long Charm lasts either. It doesn't effect Mez. It doesn't effect Fear. It doesn't effect any other spells.
Of course CHA is useful in shopping, but frankly any chanter can remove a neg CHA item and cast a host of spells that will make the merchant or mob love him or her.
This would be a fantastic item for *any* caster.
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Actually this would be a fantastic weapon for an enchanter (I also play an enchanter). Charisma is really quite an unimportant battle statistic. The only thing it effects, and quite negligibly at that, is Charm. The lower the charisma, the less likelihood of getting Charm to stick. As some other posters have pointed out, above, it doesn't effect how long Charm lasts either. It doesn't effect Mez. It doesn't effect Fear. It doesn't effect any other spells.
Of course CHA is useful in shopping, but frankly any chanter can remove a neg CHA item and cast a host of spells that will make the merchant or mob love him or her.
This would be a fantastic item for *any* caster.
This is crazy, some Necros say that they LOVE having -CHA... most especially wonder why -CHA is given on many of the best Necro equip. Some believe that the -CHA is simply a role-playing aspect, but others argue that they held undead charms longer!
Verant has to explain this to us... everyone knows how CHA affects Bards or Enchanters, but they NEVER explain it to Necros and SK's... even pally's for that matter... but nobody cares about pallys
Verant has to explain this to us... everyone knows how CHA affects Bards or Enchanters, but they NEVER explain it to Necros and SK's... even pally's for that matter... but nobody cares about pallys
Pain Lord Darknyss Grimscale
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
92 Iksar Crusader of the Greenmist
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 25 2001 at 8:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) dude shut up! i'm a paladin and i bet you that if we were the same level i could womp your a$$. if we were both level 60 you would have no chance, that includes us both haveing all our epics. i'll i have to do if keep chian stunning you and when needed heal my self as well as root and flash of light you. lets see you cann't see whats going on you cann't move and you cann't attack me....your screwed!
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 2:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) imo i would say this is for #1 pure caster
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 06 2001 at 2:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) if its range then why cant you throw it???
Because eventually you would. One wrong click, and this priceless item flung into oblivion. Thank Verant for this bit of foresight.
Is there some reason you would WANT to throw it??? Maybe I'm just missing something here?
Also, the wisdom and protection dieties are like that too.
Is there some reason you would WANT to throw it??? Maybe I'm just missing something here?
Also, the wisdom and protection dieties are like that too.
Anonymous
why on all these sights that show an awsome item Pallie's think they need the most, well heh ya would need it to take my Shadowknight down. why? ya ask, cause all Sk's own Pallies hands down, no doubt about it =p
Anonymous
tanks do need this item, especially those that can cast. a pure caster might make more use out of it, but being a paladin i would love to have infinite breeze on me. i am always oom. i only have to wait 16-20 lvls before i can get there.
If you are always OOM, try sitting down. You don't sit in a fight? Odds are it is because people don't start dropping like flies when you go OOM. Perhaps it should go to someone that has people dying when they call "OOM!!! :(". i.e. A Cleric. Enchanters can take mana from caster mobs to regain mana, I have seen Enchanters mesmerizing an army of mobs in a long fight and have plenty of mana, while the healers were going OOM which resulted in an evac. Shamans have mana regens, and Druids just don't pack enough bang for the mana to be granted this item. Of all the classes other than the Clerics, I would have to say that Shamans have the highest claim to this item. If a guild were short on Shamans, but had plenty of Clerics around, the Shamans might get higher priority.
47 posts
Shaddup, you wrong crass, this not for you....you want all caster item too? mebbe creric item, this not for you......
Gimme that Cloak of Piety
Gimme that Cloak of Piety
Anonymous
Hehe a damn boat...classic
Newbieboy
Newbieboy
Anonymous
and 10 stones is a damn boat you may as well be holding a spare set of crafted. the Stats on this this are great but then again many items i have searched for with less weight can make up for the desired monk stats.
40 monk..i know not that big a deal...
Abaen Mendelevium on the Inno server
40 monk..i know not that big a deal...
Abaen Mendelevium on the Inno server
Ignore this post. boy ask a question about a class you haven't played, and get slammed for asking. thanks.
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