#Anonymous,
Posted:Apr 13 2001 at 1:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) u know all u are stuipid.. why are u argueing on who can get what.. go camp these with some friends or guilg mates if u are worried bout it... recently i went on a naggy raid with my druid.. CoF dropped i wanted it for my monk... when the person LEADING the raid said only roll on stuff u can use said that there were NO arguments.. and u know what i really wanted the CoF for my monk.. u know what i say suck it up and deal...
hehe call me crazy but I havent seen wyverns in Skyshrine (mainly cuz everyone ther ehates me and I havent wandered tooooo far) are they deep in, and how hard are they in relation to the other mobs in SS (assuming that there ARE wyverns in SS) (=
1) Rolling on items sucks 2) All/All doesn't mean ***** yer friends (the people you should be grouping with) out of armor they would benefit more from.
I keep hearing the same arguments that casters use for rolling on RBGs. Simply lame.
This is a monk item. Then maybe enchnater. All other melee have comparable and readily avaiable armor at the appropriate lvl to camp these. An ehcanters proly gets hit the most of casters (shaman too, but they can wear plate).
No other classs would benefite NEARLY (not even close) as much as these two.
I must beg to differ on one point. I don't know much about any other class's available armors for legs, but if you do a search here on Allakhazam's for rogue useable leg armor, there isn't an AC 15 leg armor listed as easy to obtain as this one. I'm not saying who might "need" the armor more, but that this particular melee class does not have comparable and readily available leg armor. From glancing at the listing here on the database, I noticed that other 15 AC legs useable by rogues are found in places like the Dragon Necropolis, Old Sebilis, Western Wastes off of 50+ Dragons, or Kael Draccal from 50+ Giants. I honestly would have to say that I would demand a chance at getting these legs if they dropped in a group I was hunting with. And I would not sell them.
Shamans can't wear plate, they can wear chain...the only reason totemic looks like plate is cause Verant that the olive color looked like crap as a chain armor, the same goes for Rubicite.
Some engage in strange talk about what classes should or shouldn't try to get these or the rest of the EQ society will be angry at them. What kind of talk is this?
It says ALL/ALL that mean YOU (Yes YOU the reader!) can try to get them or roll for them if you want and especially if you helped in killing the mob.
You my friend, are a moron. It's idiots like you who play their enchanters and roll against the monks in their groups for KD's. It's idiots like you I enjoy training when they go linkdead in Grup and can't find their way out. It's idiots like you that make me a ninja when the wizard in my groups says, "Hey! I have a monk twink, I wanna roll on that IFS!". It's idiots like you who lack the common sense to play nice with others that truly make this gaming community suffer.
yes but.. if you're not going to wear an item, just go sell it, you're usually looked down upon by others for rolling on it.. yes I know all/all means anyone CAN wear them, but it dosen't mean that the item is best for all classes If a caster tried to roll on a pair of these.. they'd have some VERY spiteful monks out to get them for the rest of their EQ lives
Not to point out the obvious, but they are all/all right? That means anyone can wear them right? Wasnt sure about that, being a rock stupid tank and all, could I get a clarification what all/all means please? /petition What exactly does all/all mean?
Hey! look! brand new and fresh out of the box its a pair of 1ac 50 cha leggings and thier all/all! i think ill roll on that like a dumbass and ***** you chanters cuz im a monk and i need to buy my food cheaper! ~go suxxor one
all/all means use your thick skull and some common sense to determine which class could use them most effectively. If a warrior rolls against me on these, I sure as hell better see him wearing them the next time we meet.
I really am amazed at how all of you belonging to different classes can argue about who can receive diff items. I have an idea, how about who gets the highest roll get's the item. It isn't fair to say to someone, sure you can wear it, but you can't have it k. That isn't with the true spirit of the game. If a guy wins the roll, and is an enchanter, so what if he wants str. That's his thing. We all play differently, and should be allowed to do so. It isn't up to others to tell us what we can and can't do, GM's and verant do that enough already. It's a game stop bickering over small stuff. If you don't enjoy it stop playing. Just my take on the situation.
Casters....your all a bunch of morons. I have a 56 necro and guess what....I dont go for AC I go for Agi. Why??? Cause its hard to cast a spell when your tanking dumbasses. God I always yell at the casters that wanna be tanks. Its better to not be hit and get that spell off then to get smacked around and not land a spell. If you wanna be a tank be a tank. Let the tanks in your group do the tanking while you cast. Jesus what next warriors that want to cast spells? My 2cp
Hmm...doesn't go for AC, goes for AGI...my agi buff spell adds 18 agi which equates to 6 AC...so to replace these greaves that guy needs some legs with +45 AGI... anyone got some of those?
#Anonymous,
Posted:May 15 2001 at 8:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) stoopid fooker Agi improves dodge and evade rates which means you dont get hit at all besides just adding a tid bit of AC you freaking rock
Last I checked Defense capped at 145 with the formula 3xlvl+3 which would max it at somewhere around lvl 48 (this is for casters obviously) and I since the ac per skill is significant I would prefer my chanter to have been in a couple of fights instead of just running around in a circle and getting the crap beaten out of them. I bloody need that chanter (and everybody else).
IMAO it is better to get spanked in a controlled environment than raped later on.
Disclaimer: No offense or whatever to rape victims of course; I'm trying to get a point across and I don't use tact when in a bad mood. Don't ask
Enchanters will get beat on. Especially in SoV with the high resist rates. Now, currently, when I'm buffed, I've got a 200 agility (augment + shaman agil buff). I have 200+ int. I have 200+ cha. I have 2750+ hp's, with aegilism, stamina, and shield of the magi. Next level will see me top 2800, fully buffed.
And with all that, I get clobbered. So, yes, we go out of our way to max resists, ac, hp. Some of us sacrifice int/cha for it (int is overrated anyway, mana regen matters more than int and cha doesn't do that much to help resist rates). Some don't. I happen to be a don't. And inspite of that, my goal is to be able to make 800 AC, buffed (no bard). Can I do it? Not sure yet, but I should reach 750 once I acquire a few items... including these pants.
In most parties, the number one drain on clerical mana is the enchanter. In most raids, the one class you can least afford to have one or two die of is the Enchanter, especially the high level ones (there tend to be quite a few clerics). A resist or two, a mob or two beating on him and the cleric is chain casting. Odds are, if I die, the group or the raid goes down with me... because my groups cleric will be the next to die.
Lastly, you seem to be under the assumption that agility helps you cast. It doesn't, not directly. All it does is maybe help you get hit for a bit less or missed by a thing that could have hit you. Which happens to be the exact same thing AC does.
My 2cp? Don't go trying to tell members of the one int caster class that routinely gets beat on what they need for gear.
We need to find out what drops these, whether it is a hard one like Lord Yelinik or just a really rare spawn with a rare drop. I would spend many months hunting here to get a pair of these. ;o)
But those pure casters who've gone AC are gonna pay an arm and a leg for these unless it's something they can just go solo camp. Eitherway I wouldn't expect to see them go for anything cheep for a good while ;)
Personally I feel whoever gets these from a roll and wants to can use them. ***** all the people say this class or that class shouldn't try to get these. What kind of talk is that?
We all pay same $10 per moth to play this crack game.
These are the best monk usable pants out there. Casters can get Golden Efreeti Greaves or Flayed Paebala for their ac needs, heck Paebala even has int on it.
i would murder any caster trying to get their hands on these. i dont care what a caster wants, tanks should get these first and foremost (unless they have blood runed, heh) and whomever doesnt have them after that can get them. let the casters play with their black chittin legs and give these to the people who need ac and str the most (warriors, hybrids, rogues, and monks)
To the jerk who posted anon on 07JAN, saying he would murder the casters for trying to get this item. FU!!!! What's the matter? Are you jealous? If we were on a PVP server, and I ran into you, I would charm you, and walk you into the LAVA.
I hope you meet many horrible deaths in EQ. I hope you loose all of your items.
I hope your mommy takes away your computer privileges, you narrow minded, scum sucking, bottom feeding parasite.
Casters rule.
I have been put on the earth to taunt you and put you in your place.
We casters need AC and HP also. We have few choices for armor. Since we cause the most damage with our tactics, we are the focus of the Mobs attention. If you tanks are not able to taunt the mob off of us, we will need the HP's and AC to survive. We try to stand back as far as we can so we don't get hit. But the fact is, we do get hit once in awhile.
So stop crying like a bunch of fricken babys. Who ever wins the roll gets its. Plain and simple.
Casters have very few other good choices when it comes to getting AC--particular the higher level casters who have hit their int/wis cap and desperately need it. These are one of the best leggings for casters to date--you had better believe we are gonna roll for them if they drop P
Most melee types should have better AC leggings by the time they are high enough level to attain these. All in all, the class that most desires this piece of equipment is most definately monks. The AC to weight ratio for something 10 AC higher than their planar leggings speaks it all. Anyway, if there are melee in the group with less than 15 AC for their leggings, it SHOULD go to them. If a monk is in the group....give it to the monk. You gimpy casters moaning about your AC should just STFU. Whether or not your AC is 550 or 580 wont make a difference in any high level encounter. You will still get raped whenever you get hit by that level 45+ mob. Unless you plan on farming crap from mobs that are 20 levels lower than you, then you might notice a real difference in your feeble tanking abilities.
Speaking as an enchanter who desperately needs AC, if you aren't gonna include me in the lotto you better have fun learning how to run to hunt without us. I personally have not gotten 200int 200cha (it's not hard though). The reason is because I have switched over to AC and HP items. I find, and most enchanters do, that 90% of the time I die it's with at least 25% of my mana left.
Personally I feel that these would serve a monk far better than a pure caster. They have over 3x the AC of my current legs. Heck there are tons of caster armours with AC better than monk specific gear.
These pants are crucial to monks, and this is coming from a wizard. If one of my monk friends were there, i would let them loot it cause that ac isnt gona do me any good, and I'm happy with my chitin leggings. Cause when you think about it.. those pants will do a better job saving your life on a monk than you..
OK, i agree that enchanters die fast because of their messes and stuff, but if a tank in the group has less than 15ac then they need those more than some bum enchanter, also if there is a monk that would use them, monk gets after a low ac legging owning tank... rogues wouldnt want i think, but then an enchanter can have them... however, in most groups i am in, everyone who would use them over their current gear rolls, unless of course its class specific... however, being a ranger who goes for the highest ac possible, i already have had 18ac leggings since lvl 35!!! BOOYYYAHHHHHH legolaas--------40 ranger sol ro!!! yo mama!
Monks Pure casters, possibly druids, those the only folks who have any business rolling on these. Another tank asken to roll cuz their curent legs are less then 15ac is like a tank asken to roll on a PMM cuz it has more AC then their curent mask, there's a whole lot of better **** out there for you, this is the best for those classes I just mentioned!
While it's true most pure caster's don't tank that much, chanter's tend to do it alot. Sometimes more then 2ndary melee classes. Specialy when you're the highest lvl char present and you're doing alot of the pulls to get singles and dubles rather then 5s and 6s. Self buffed+Reso I've got over 700ac, and there is a very noticable difrence over 700, most low end blue mobs miss me about 50%, 50% of the hits that land hit for alot less then full damage, many times just for 10s or 20s. Don't say now this is just a result of being high lvl, I've been in 59 for a while now, about half of that time being under 700ac and I didn't notice much change to the amount I'd get spanked by mobs till I went over 700. My Goal is to be somewhere around 750-800 buffed, I know it's doable, an enchanter on my server already hit 750, and for as much as our class tanks unassisted we can sure use it.
although everyone may have a good point. hard core fact is monks should get it first. Then let the squabbling begin.
best wearable monk armor before this: *drakkel wolfhide leggings ac9 (velious) *gatorscale leggings 7ac (yes, midlvl junk is the best monks had, not even planar gear beats it)
<sigh>
but i guess i'm wasting my breath, if casters can't solo it the whine about having to roll against melee for it
Good ac for casters, I would say. also is good for Monks, only 1.5 weight. Rangers could use this, it's better AC than Ivy Legs, although some of the + stats on Ivy Legs are a bit better. It's a tossup, your preference.
Don't think Warriors would use it too much, however. Crafted greaves are, what? 17 ac, right? Not sure. I play a ranger that would like to purchase these on the Tribunal. Send me a tell -- Menuven. I'm hunting around the Tower of Frozen Shadow and in the Crystal Caverns. Thanks.
I can see monks getting this... but not casters. They're only +5 mana, and there are much better mana items that are easier to get for both int and wisdom casters, not to mention int/wis items. Heck, even Black Chitin leggings give more mana than that. These are really meant for monks and rogues if you ask me. Strength is kinda hard to come by for rogues without sacrificing AC until they start getting the "uber" armor. This is considerably better than sebilite scale for rogues.
my iksar warrior would use these - 15ac, 7str? do you even know how hard it is to find str legs, let alone iksar usable? LOL. crafted is for sissies anyway :)
Crafted is AC14 +1Srt & weigh 7.5. With better AC, Buffs & weight, the Oiled Greaves are far superior for any tanking class... or any race/class that can use the AC & Str (HiElf Clerics and Human Paladins/Warriors come to mind as obvious candidates)
These are essentially vastly improved Mith Legs for the new Millennium :)
Yes but you never know with these new velious armor....although the icon looks like leather the leggings might not. Take cured tizmak for instance...do they look like leather? no. So just be confident =)