Oiled Greaves  

 

Oiled Greaves (wt 1.5 AC: +15 Str: +7 HP: +20 Mana: +5) vs. Black Panther Leggings (wt 0.6 AC: +8 Str: +4 Dex: +5 Sta: +5)

Thoughts?

I'm inclined to sell the Oiled and bank the extra plat for other slots. I'm 30 Iksar Monk and play to casually to count on ever seeing 45 (it aint happen'n). So what would you do?

Edited, Sun Jan 18 18:39:54 2004

Very true,
Ya know i hear so much damn flaming towards monks..Ppl need to get over it.i think some are pissed because monks are such a versatile class.. that being said i think it makes us warriors pissed to see some ac35 item go to a monk...if i was in the situation i wouldn't really care.monks deserve there goods just as i do. and my time will come ya know. So its no biggie to get all pissed over someone crying monk....the class i am sick of atm hehe is greedy druids lol porting fer 50pp LOL kiss my a$$ i will just walk. or clerics asking 40pp fer a damn 90% ez. no ty i will waste my time regaining my exp. I don't charge fer my services to make sure you casters stay alive. No matter what any cleric can ***** about and i do here it alot is "Well we waste our mana on you to keep your a$$'s alive."Well here is a situation for ya clerics. I waste my HP to make sure you stay alive. I smile back and say here ya want the mob so bad? As i Stop attackin when he nukes the mob and it turns around grining grimly at him and eats his face. Enjoi u made a new friend....

All i am saying is ppl ***** WAY to much. Get over it everyone stop being so stuck on your damn class. every class is just as important. So don't ***** at your monkee fer his bad pull that made yer cleric go OOM on the arrive of his pull and gets the group killed. Or don't ***** at the ranger who keeps clicking Taunt *lol* and makes the mob kill him. Let em die...let em get their item.stop ******* its a game. your time will come too.....

Criking .. can we get back to the Greeves? Seems post after post who should get these and why.

If you're camping them, work it out with your group/guild. It doesn't matter what people say here, especially if your group mates dont even read this.


Now, may I ask a question?
Where exactly do/can these drop? Everybody said "in the bank of SS". Do they ralize SS is devided into three parts? And on top of that, people saying a duo can do these, and I know a duo that's KoS can not get to the back of SS.

Can anybody please clerify as to the location these have been droping at?
Is it in the back of the first part of SS? Across the bridge over the Shrine? Back at the Maze? Past the Maze and in the Central part of SS with lots and lots of stairs and lots and lots of Wyverns ( also a place you can't "duo" too )?
Any confirmation would be of assistance.

Thanks

Sithr
60th Iksar Grandmaster
Mithaniel Marr

These greaves are good for any class that can use them... i'd hope tanks would get these before casters....

Well, I'm a little late on the posting (as the guy who posted about what classes needed did it last year), but first off, you do NOT stick Shm's in the same group as clr's and druids. Shamans depend on AC before mana, depending on the way they want to raise their char. Enchanters do NOT go with the other int casters either, as they use Cha, as do Necros if you raise them in undead/partial undead dungeons; i.e. Kaesora, Kurns, KC, and etc. Second off, Sks depend on Int AFTER Str, unless they are a De (like myself) which uses Str first, sine my base str is 90. Finally, the idiotic "group Cleric" that posted probably doesn't do too much grouping if he/she acts as rejected as he does on the ************************

Korra L'Veldriss

What do these awesome Leggings drop off of in SS? Any Wyvern or a named one? Or something else?

If you are going after this item, it is almost certainly with guild assistance. If you are using a guild group or raid to go after it, then you will be going by guild loot rules. If you don't abide by guild loot rules, you will probably be hunting a new guild very soon. Generally, guild loot rules lean strongly towards merit and NBG. This item USUALLY gets awarded to a monk (but not always). Who gets it depends on guild rules and the circumstances at the moment.

Now, if you are guildless or going after this item with a group of strangers for any reason, don't expect NBG. Sometimes you will get a group of strangers willing to do that, but often you will not. I prefer NBG in ALL situations, even where it is to my disadvantage, but I sometimes find myself in a group of strangers who don't want to do that. At that point, I usually decide to go along with their loot rules. On rare occasions, I will find a polite excuse to leave and go to another group or go practice my cooking skill or do a faction quest or something else to kill time. I generally only do this if the people I am grouped with are particularly annoying or greedy or incompetent.

I hate to see flame wars over who should get what. The classic conflict on these boards is usually over whether or not an item is a monk item or not. Often, it is started by an innocuous appraisal of an item that points out its value to a certain class. If someone says, "Wow!!! What a great monk item!!!", you shouldn't get mad. They have not said that it ISN'T a warrior item or a shadow knight item. Saying that something is a great monk item does not mean it is ONLY a monk item. If they say, "This is a monk item, so all you greedy @##@%&ers back off!!! Mine, mine, mine!!!", then feel free to flame them (assuming they aren't joking).

It should be noted that what I have written here may not be applicable on PvP servers. Things are quite a bit more mercenary there.

As some of you might have guessed by now, I play a monk. The vast majority of equipment that a monk uses is ALL/ALL or (at the very least) usable by all melee classes. If you look up an item that is monk only, you will not see any "What a great monk item!" comments unless someone is just making a joke. The same is true of virtually any item out there that is restricted to one class only. The limited selection of equipment that can be used by a monk (regardless of weight) combined with the weight limit placed on monks makes us acutely aware of what items are next on our list of potential upgrades. When a monk discovers a potential upgrade he didn't know about before, he is often ecstatic about it and posts something about the item's monkly potential. Generally, right after he posts something, he is immediately attacked by people who have never played a monk (or at least not a high level one) and don't understand our predicament. They have READ things about monks and THINK they understand, but they don't.

Why is there such venom towards monks? I can think of one reason right off the bat. There is a period of transition for most players when they go from self-centeredness to guild-centeredness. This usually occurs about the time that people become high enough level to go on raids. At this time, the self-centered player goes on his first few raids and sees an item he would love to have get dropped, but it is automatically given to a monk and he isn't even allowed a shot at it. He then learns that even when he makes a higher level, that monks lower than him will still be given priority with the item in question. He is incensed and feels that monks are being given an unfair advantage and carries a chip on his shoulder. Later, when he gets an item BETTER than the one he had to pass on and that is superior to anything a monk could get outside of ToV or Sleeper's Tomb, he may change his attitude towards monks, but not before he has blasted them on numerous message boards.

Another type of person who SOMETIMES carries a grudge against monks is the person who remains guildless. Occasionally, such a person will not appreciate NBG in the same way that a guilded person will and finds the concept of "monk items" to be particularly annoying. Often, because they are not in a guild, this person will have below-par equipment for their class and the "monk items" are actually upgrades for them.

Another type of person who dislikes monks is the kind that has been burned by a monk. Sometimes the monk that got on their bad side was an annoying or vulgar or spiteful person. Usually, though, the monk that made the bad impression was one of the many monk twinks that have become so popular lately. These twinks often level from 1 to 50 in about a month and rarely have the skills needed to play a monk the right way. They will train people in their own party through incompetent pulling, train people at the zone-line, or do any of the other numerous things that an unskilled monk can do to create a collosal mess. That is not to say that all twinked monks are a waste of space. Some monk twinks are well played.

The guild I am in is my second guild. My first guild was a monk-only guild which ended up dissolving when the guild leader and several other members got fed up with EQ and took an extended break from it. We had rules that prevented us from playing twinked monks, getting power-levelled, getting higher level assistance on quests, or buying quest components. The time in this monk-only guild served to provide my guildmates and I with really intense monk skill development. Some of the very best monks on my server came from that guild. To give you an example of what I mean, some of my ex-guildmates (some of whom are in my current guild as well) get invited to raids held by other guilds so they can pull for them. They have their own monks, but ours are better hehe. People still remember our guild, even though it was small and disbanded almost two years ago. That's how good we were.

If you have seen a monk ***** things up repeatedly, odds are good that he is somebody's twink. Do not judge all of us by their poor performance. Also be aware that what appears to be a *****-up may be the result of a skilled monk making the best out of what should have been a HUGE *****-up. That train of four monsters that hits your party on a bad pull and gets you killed might have been much bigger and wiped out half the zone if the monk hadn't known what to do.

There are many places where other classes can pull as well as monks. In some situations, other classes can do a BETTER job of pulling than monks. There are many situations, though, where there is just no substitute for a skilled monk. So don't carry a grudge against monks in general or you might find that you are shooting yourself in the foot when you get into a "monk-required" situation.

These soloable by a level 55 warrior?

Yeah, it is very, very true that a person can trade an item or sell an item and use it to enchance their person, just like a person in that group could have used the item to begin with and benefitted. But, here's the ringer.. Say you are playing.. hell, who cares. Say you're playing in some high level zone and an item that you've never ever thought would ever drop, does, right before your eyes. And not only is it WAY, WAY rare, and nearly priceless, but YOU are the only one who can use it in the group. Hmm.. Now, you just lost the roll. Later that week you see Joe Smith sell that item for dragon haste, and a pair of uber weapons for his new level 4 ranger twink that won't even get much play for a while until he's nice and fully twinked a few months later.

Now, how do you feel about need before greed? You talk smack now, stating that o well F U I can use the money to buy what I want.. Most things in everquest, in the end game/high level game, are NOT for sale. Tell ya what, I put your name on this little list I keep by my computer, I call it the "to avoid" list. You, are obviously very greedy, and I won't be grouping with you ever.

The item dropped off a one of the many wvyerns in Skyshrine.

Oddly many warriors and others rolled for this item and me (lvl 56 monk) won. In my humble opinion this is a a ranger or monk item. Now I know everyone likes to complain about this but think about it. When you raid somewhere and an item likes this drops it should go to those that need most. Monks can only wear leather. Our highest ac item on most gear is like 10 at best. and most armour pieces are lower. I was using gator scale before I got these. As any good monk knows AC, HP and light weight are what a monk needs most. This item offers all of those things. This is one of the best droppable legs in the game for a monk. I have passed on many items that I could have used but they were crappy to me and I had better. We all play to have fun.

i do want to know WHAT the drop off of very
desperately no one has even brought up the
issue...these are so damn rare because no
one knows how to get them and this board
might help a few peeps actually get this nice
greaves...

Now now a warrior should be able to roll on an
SMR because he may be able to trade the 4k for
something and on and on for a very very MUCH more usefull in battle item ( 9int might give 4% more
mana ) ....4k can be used better than the item
iteself...this happens in many many cases
in why lower guk is such a loved place...everyone
gets to roll on fungi...Now if only sebillis were like that... =*( in sebilis a caster would never get a fungi tunic when he may use the 40k
to buy part of a mana robe get amulet of necroptance etc...Theres nothing wrong with what some call greed...money is simply in the same value of items and sometimes much much more