Dedgerex's Flintforged Cudgel
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its f%^king bull$%it that shamans cannot use this i mean wtf
Scholar
45 posts
First of all this doesnt go for 20-40k, I got one for 14k and that has been standard price whenever I checked in baz (Maelin server).
As for dps, while it is slow - by the time you can use this you are getting within the range of AAs in where you can get weapons affinity and that AA that lets you crit.
So if you are sporting those AAs then this baby isnt too bad at all (and most of you should have some decent haste by now which helps), but if you dont have any of these AAs I think this weapon is just a big aggro getter for not much extra dps if any. You're probably better off spending your money on crystals for a don weap and auging it instead.
As for dps, while it is slow - by the time you can use this you are getting within the range of AAs in where you can get weapons affinity and that AA that lets you crit.
So if you are sporting those AAs then this baby isnt too bad at all (and most of you should have some decent haste by now which helps), but if you dont have any of these AAs I think this weapon is just a big aggro getter for not much extra dps if any. You're probably better off spending your money on crystals for a don weap and auging it instead.
31 posts
Also, if you put it in secondary the delay doesnt matter, as offhand hits are governed by Dual Wield, not weapon delay.
Just to clarify and possibly correct this statement:
Dual wield is checked every time the offhand weapon's delay comes up. It is not checked based on primary weapon's delay, but on the delay in the dual-wielded offhand weapon. So, unhasted you get a DW skill check every 2.7 seconds with this weapon. If you pass the dual wield check, you get a swing. If you have double attack on offhand, it then does a Double Attack check to see if you swing twice.
And the ratio on this is lower because the proc is supposed to make up for it. Proc rate is 50% less in offhand, which means a weapon like this takes a big hit for being offhand.
However, it is now a good option for Imbued Ferocity (proc once every swing with innate proc) for classes that have that AA. Up to 30 seconds of continuous casting of a 622 point DD is nice.
Dual wield is checked every time the offhand weapon's delay comes up. It is not checked based on primary weapon's delay, but on the delay in the dual-wielded offhand weapon. So, unhasted you get a DW skill check every 2.7 seconds with this weapon. If you pass the dual wield check, you get a swing. If you have double attack on offhand, it then does a Double Attack check to see if you swing twice.
And the ratio on this is lower because the proc is supposed to make up for it. Proc rate is 50% less in offhand, which means a weapon like this takes a big hit for being offhand.
However, it is now a good option for Imbued Ferocity (proc once every swing with innate proc) for classes that have that AA. Up to 30 seconds of continuous casting of a 622 point DD is nice.
Scholar
17 posts
Selling for 10k on Povar.
Going for between 4 - 10k on Drinal/Maelin in January of 2012
Some mobs where you need bane weapons to hit them, are still affected by procs, which would make this weapon great on high end luclin mobs if you dont have your bane weapons yet. Or if you get really bored and can keep your pet alive and have the aa's to not lose the pet on camping..... give it to your pet along with the weapon from Charasis with the same proc.... fun stuff :)
give a 20-40k weapon to a pet? i dont think so...
HELL YEAH I WOULD! Some pets, like the level 68 SK pet would kick serious *** with it. Who cares about money? It'd #*%&ing rawk to see some guy's pet blast the living #*%^ out of something over and over, quite probably saving YOUR *** at the same time.
I once gave one of my pets a proc'ing sword (it was worth about 1k, and well wanted on Seventh Hammer for it's stats) and the Mistmoor shield. It ripped the hell out of everything, but who am I to care? I just wanted Jabober to look great!
I once gave one of my pets a proc'ing sword (it was worth about 1k, and well wanted on Seventh Hammer for it's stats) and the Mistmoor shield. It ripped the hell out of everything, but who am I to care? I just wanted Jabober to look great!
would you pay 20k for a Crudge???
Overall the proc rate might be 1 per 30 seconds, however, that's just an AVERAGE.
One mob may not recieve any procs at all, the next 4 in a row.
I've had this weapon and a Delightful orb (just to see big damage) on my BST. I had four consecutive procs with the two weapons, 3 from this and one from orb. totaling around 2500 damage in rougly 3 seconds. Too bad it was in PoJ ; )
One mob may not recieve any procs at all, the next 4 in a row.
I've had this weapon and a Delightful orb (just to see big damage) on my BST. I had four consecutive procs with the two weapons, 3 from this and one from orb. totaling around 2500 damage in rougly 3 seconds. Too bad it was in PoJ ; )
If a procing aug is added to a procing weapon does each proc have an average rate of once every 30 seconds or is it only once every 30 seconds per weapon.
Edited, Thu Jan 6 15:47:48 2005
Edited, Thu Jan 6 15:47:48 2005
10 posts
Some fool decided to turn this fine weapon to his Tribute Master. What a waste I thought but really can't blame the guy for being a total ******.
Did you ask how much Tribute the Fool got for it?
Hate to say it but If it was worth 5-figures of Tribute I would of done the same thing if I could not get 5-figures of pp out of someone.
I would like to make two points about tribute and it's importance. I have noticed those playing on a blue server tend to overlook the details of the game. Tribute is just another example.
1. Tribute Effects are not always what they appear to be. If it says XXXX focus effect. Most just think because it has the same or similar name it is the same. Only through experience and attention to detail will you find this to be incorrect. Enough said research on your own.
2. Item Value in PP vs Tribute. Let us say the above weapon is worth a lot of tribute. 20k + .
It states the pp value is 42kpp above. Perhaps this is true. I guess . Now I do not play melee classes much. My highest is low 50's. So I am not an expert on weapons. With that said I would never pay 42k, 32k or even 22k for this weapon.
Why?
Well the Required lv kills the appeal - 55.
Ratio is brutal at a 2.25 "Excellent" << note Allakhazam has been using this ratio grade system for a long time.
dmg-12 dly-27 ( Velious Era this weapon would be Uber ) Today I am not so sure. Melee types chime in please, 42k ? Or can you find better for cheaper?
Reminds me of a Club of Ice Ocean with better stats but same suck ratio. Not a good example just saying thats what it reminds me of.
Then we come to the Conflag proc. 622dmg ! Hot Dog now that is something that makes this weapon SWEET !
<sigh> But then you read the posts on how often it goes off or should I say doesnt. Well that kills the appeal for me. I want a weapon that is fast , hits hard and has a proc. like a Cleric Hammer. That is what I call good. Slow , hard hitting that will proc. once a fight blows IMHO.
This weapon vs Omens of War weapons is what ? Good ? Bad ? You tell me.
Stats = Velium gemmed weapons that sport awesome ratios like the dagger and long sword - dmg 16 , dly 20 can be purchaced for 12kpp. 2 aug slots.
or
Help me out here folks what is that bad *** 1h slash weapon(s)? that drops in Wall of Slaughter? You know the 1h slash that has Shadow Knights swapping out beloved 2h weapons for.
Well I bet the guy who turned this weapon into the tribute master was just as addicted as myself to the type V effects and was sporting a fairly common weapon from Wall of Slaughter that just kicked *** all over this one.
Foolish? Perhaps in the eyes of someone lower level. Just remember one mans junk is another mans treasure. If I showed you some of the items I dumped into tribute you would have a stroke.
If Clarity is the EQ version of Crack !
then
Tribute is the EQ version of Heroin !
Edited, Tue Feb 15 11:29:40 2005
Hate to say it but If it was worth 5-figures of Tribute I would of done the same thing if I could not get 5-figures of pp out of someone.
I would like to make two points about tribute and it's importance. I have noticed those playing on a blue server tend to overlook the details of the game. Tribute is just another example.
1. Tribute Effects are not always what they appear to be. If it says XXXX focus effect. Most just think because it has the same or similar name it is the same. Only through experience and attention to detail will you find this to be incorrect. Enough said research on your own.
2. Item Value in PP vs Tribute. Let us say the above weapon is worth a lot of tribute. 20k + .
It states the pp value is 42kpp above. Perhaps this is true. I guess . Now I do not play melee classes much. My highest is low 50's. So I am not an expert on weapons. With that said I would never pay 42k, 32k or even 22k for this weapon.
Why?
Well the Required lv kills the appeal - 55.
Ratio is brutal at a 2.25 "Excellent" << note Allakhazam has been using this ratio grade system for a long time.
dmg-12 dly-27 ( Velious Era this weapon would be Uber ) Today I am not so sure. Melee types chime in please, 42k ? Or can you find better for cheaper?
Reminds me of a Club of Ice Ocean with better stats but same suck ratio. Not a good example just saying thats what it reminds me of.
Then we come to the Conflag proc. 622dmg ! Hot Dog now that is something that makes this weapon SWEET !
<sigh> But then you read the posts on how often it goes off or should I say doesnt. Well that kills the appeal for me. I want a weapon that is fast , hits hard and has a proc. like a Cleric Hammer. That is what I call good. Slow , hard hitting that will proc. once a fight blows IMHO.
This weapon vs Omens of War weapons is what ? Good ? Bad ? You tell me.
Stats = Velium gemmed weapons that sport awesome ratios like the dagger and long sword - dmg 16 , dly 20 can be purchaced for 12kpp. 2 aug slots.
or
Help me out here folks what is that bad *** 1h slash weapon(s)? that drops in Wall of Slaughter? You know the 1h slash that has Shadow Knights swapping out beloved 2h weapons for.
Well I bet the guy who turned this weapon into the tribute master was just as addicted as myself to the type V effects and was sporting a fairly common weapon from Wall of Slaughter that just kicked *** all over this one.
Foolish? Perhaps in the eyes of someone lower level. Just remember one mans junk is another mans treasure. If I showed you some of the items I dumped into tribute you would have a stroke.
If Clarity is the EQ version of Crack !
then
Tribute is the EQ version of Heroin !
Edited, Tue Feb 15 11:29:40 2005
Your argument's logic is sound, but it's not based on reality. Riwwi-dropped items aren't going to tribute for 6 figures. In fact, nothing tributes for 6 figures, I am pretty sure.
Here's a little trick. Click on the Lucy's Entry listed beside this item. Now, look at the Tribute value. 120 trib.
Sell the 1HB and buy Mistletoe Cutting Sickles in the bazaar; trade skillers are probably selling them for 400ish and their tribute value is 1312.
Also, proc rate with no AAs in Weapon Affinity (WA0) with max dex should be right around 2 procs per minute, average. That means that this weapon might add 16-20 DPS to your base melee; quite nice for a BST whose only double attack is from AAs. Proc has a mod of -10 tho, so will be resisted fairly often.
Edited, Fri Sep 9 08:41:11 2005
Here's a little trick. Click on the Lucy's Entry listed beside this item. Now, look at the Tribute value. 120 trib.
Sell the 1HB and buy Mistletoe Cutting Sickles in the bazaar; trade skillers are probably selling them for 400ish and their tribute value is 1312.
Also, proc rate with no AAs in Weapon Affinity (WA0) with max dex should be right around 2 procs per minute, average. That means that this weapon might add 16-20 DPS to your base melee; quite nice for a BST whose only double attack is from AAs. Proc has a mod of -10 tho, so will be resisted fairly often.
Edited, Fri Sep 9 08:41:11 2005
Lol.....
What you said isn't quite true.
This weapon sucks?
Oh plz.
If you were smart enough to get out your Dex maxed you'd be surprised at how much Damage you'd do in a 1 minute fight.
Using Delightfull Orb and This w/like 280 Dex + the AA where you can proc more will make this thing sweet.
Now of course, by the time you get that type of AAs, you'll probably have better.
No doubt, as for the Velium being more damage, some people are willing to have a slower, lower atk weapon with a great effect added.
Some people might get a 46% Haste item?
So what does this dly become?
Then some people might add a 50-150 Proc dmg to it, making it even more damage overtime if proced!
In the end, I'd use this and Delightful, yeah it can be resisted, but it won't nearly be resisted as much as your swings on piecering the monster will be, though the proc will take more time to proc... Possibly.
I've had my bro proc with one weapon about 7 times in only about 50 Seconds!!!!
Now that is wow, pretty lucky I suppose, he had a 50 DD and 50x7 = 350, then thinking 625x7=...
Too lazy to think it through, but yeah, you can see the damage out put.
---> This may even be more DPS if auged with another DD aug because when it procs it procs for about 3-12 hits worth - now that is A-LOT!
So it's double-sided you see, though like you said, one man's **** is another man's treasure.
Guess the guy who tributed it didn't care too much for it possibly because:
1. He is rich
2. Just stupid
3. Didn't need but wanted X amount of tribute.
4. Probably gets them commonly and what better than to get a huge amount of tribute off what you get commonly?
- I've seen one of these drop, I've seen one Mace of Dark Glory drop, I got the Mace, friends was farming for this 1HB so he got it, but he played with it with his wife's Bst she did some insame damage because it proced so many times; I think she said her Dex was about 305-325.. I think.
Anyways hope that explains some more.
- If anyone wants to sum up what I've said in a paragraph please do so, but I'm glad to make it this long :P *LoL!*
What you said isn't quite true.
This weapon sucks?
Oh plz.
If you were smart enough to get out your Dex maxed you'd be surprised at how much Damage you'd do in a 1 minute fight.
Using Delightfull Orb and This w/like 280 Dex + the AA where you can proc more will make this thing sweet.
Now of course, by the time you get that type of AAs, you'll probably have better.
No doubt, as for the Velium being more damage, some people are willing to have a slower, lower atk weapon with a great effect added.
Some people might get a 46% Haste item?
So what does this dly become?
Then some people might add a 50-150 Proc dmg to it, making it even more damage overtime if proced!
In the end, I'd use this and Delightful, yeah it can be resisted, but it won't nearly be resisted as much as your swings on piecering the monster will be, though the proc will take more time to proc... Possibly.
I've had my bro proc with one weapon about 7 times in only about 50 Seconds!!!!
Now that is wow, pretty lucky I suppose, he had a 50 DD and 50x7 = 350, then thinking 625x7=...
Too lazy to think it through, but yeah, you can see the damage out put.
---> This may even be more DPS if auged with another DD aug because when it procs it procs for about 3-12 hits worth - now that is A-LOT!
So it's double-sided you see, though like you said, one man's **** is another man's treasure.
Guess the guy who tributed it didn't care too much for it possibly because:
1. He is rich
2. Just stupid
3. Didn't need but wanted X amount of tribute.
4. Probably gets them commonly and what better than to get a huge amount of tribute off what you get commonly?
- I've seen one of these drop, I've seen one Mace of Dark Glory drop, I got the Mace, friends was farming for this 1HB so he got it, but he played with it with his wife's Bst she did some insame damage because it proced so many times; I think she said her Dex was about 305-325.. I think.
Anyways hope that explains some more.
- If anyone wants to sum up what I've said in a paragraph please do so, but I'm glad to make it this long :P *LoL!*
My wife is a 62 ranger and I am thinking about getting this Dedgerex Flintforged Cudgel for her as a present. Right now, she is dual-wielding Sceptres of Destruction, the stats for which are as follows:
MAGIC ITEM
Weight: 0.2 Size: MEDIUM
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Damage: 12 Delay: 18
Ratio: 1.5 Amazing
Damage Bonus: 13 (lvl 65)
Comparative Efficiency: 102
Offhand Efficiency: 41
Str: +10 Dex: +10 Sta: +10 HP: +50 End: +50
Weapon Skill: One Hand Blunt
Classes: Berserker Beastlord Ranger Shaman Druid Cleric Paladin Shadowknight Bard Monk Rogue Warrior
Races: All Races
Slot 1: Type 4
I have never played a dual-wielding class and I would appreciae some guidance about whether this Dedgerex Flintforged Cudgel would be a better weapon for my wife to use in her off hand.
We typically duo together and I am a 65 Paladin. She generally pulls with a bow and snare and, by the time I have landed three stuns on the incoming mob, there is very little problem with her taking aggro. If she does, the mob is usually just about dead in any event. Would she do more damage when meleeing with this in her off hand? Thanks for any advice from dual-wielding gurus.
Rangers might wish to comment on the comparative virtues of bow use -- and there is no doubt bow use is great in many circumstances. However, I am concerned about hunting in areas where bow use is impractical; e.g., the mushroom area in lower Sebilis. Again, any advice would be greatly appreciated.
MAGIC ITEM
Weight: 0.2 Size: MEDIUM
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Damage: 12 Delay: 18
Ratio: 1.5 Amazing
Damage Bonus: 13 (lvl 65)
Comparative Efficiency: 102
Offhand Efficiency: 41
Str: +10 Dex: +10 Sta: +10 HP: +50 End: +50
Weapon Skill: One Hand Blunt
Classes: Berserker Beastlord Ranger Shaman Druid Cleric Paladin Shadowknight Bard Monk Rogue Warrior
Races: All Races
Slot 1: Type 4
I have never played a dual-wielding class and I would appreciae some guidance about whether this Dedgerex Flintforged Cudgel would be a better weapon for my wife to use in her off hand.
We typically duo together and I am a 65 Paladin. She generally pulls with a bow and snare and, by the time I have landed three stuns on the incoming mob, there is very little problem with her taking aggro. If she does, the mob is usually just about dead in any event. Would she do more damage when meleeing with this in her off hand? Thanks for any advice from dual-wielding gurus.
Rangers might wish to comment on the comparative virtues of bow use -- and there is no doubt bow use is great in many circumstances. However, I am concerned about hunting in areas where bow use is impractical; e.g., the mushroom area in lower Sebilis. Again, any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I wouldn't switch to this without some of the Weapon Affinity levels to make it proc more. It's 50% slower, so you'll do 2/3 of the damage in melee and the proc will only be once every 30 seconds on average without max dex and Weapon Affinity. With a 12/18 weapon she should be averaging 30-40 per hit and can easily get 15 more hits than the Cudgel between procs, easily.
Now, if she can get her WA AAs and Dex up to a point where she sees other weapons proc more than once every 30 seconds, more like once every 15 seconds or so, then this would be worth it.
Now, if she can get her WA AAs and Dex up to a point where she sees other weapons proc more than once every 30 seconds, more like once every 15 seconds or so, then this would be worth it.
Proc rate decreases the higher your haste too. So when she fights in groups the procs will be even fewer.
no no no no no. once again, someone does NOT understand how avg proc rates works. the "proc rate" STAYS THE SAME. the "chance to proc per swing" is what gets smaller!!
I have a quarter. I flip it twice. Probability dictates that it will land on heads once, and tails once. there's your probbability refresher. now for proc rates:
your average proc, has a natural proc rate of 2 times per 60 seconds, or 1 time per 30 seconds. regardless of what the weapons delay is. now, with a little thinking, you will realize this is just a probability. The actual "chance to proc per swing" value, will be adjusted by the game, automatically, to compensate for changes to weapon delay caused by either haste or slow spells, so that it MAINTAINS THE SAME PROC RATE, dictated by probability.
SO: if a weapon has a 30 second swing (300 delay), with an average proc, it means it has a ~95% chance to proc each swing (nothing in EQ being 100% garunteed). Now haste the weapon by 100%; this causes a reduction in weapon delay by half (divide by 2). Delay is now 150 (15second delay). To maintain that "proc rate" of 1/30sec (or 2/per mi), the game automatically resets the "chance to proc each swing" value. so now, at 150 delay with the same weapon, your chance to proc each swing is 50%. In the ideal world of probability, one swing will proc, and the other wont, and bingo, you still ahve a once per 30 second proc rate.
Now, yes, you can get lucky, and it will proc a lot more than probability dictates. And yes, it may never proc at all. That's due to the random number generator (think, rolling dice, or flipping the coin). Remember, probability all takes place inside an ideal world, where each outcome happens a set specific amount of times.
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also note, the number here are an example, made nice and round for understanding. there are other procs with really high proc rate, such as the summoned cleric hammers (procs several times in a minute), and some with lower proc rates than 2x/min. but the avg proc, is 2x/min.
Edited, Sun Nov 21 11:33:20 2004
I have a quarter. I flip it twice. Probability dictates that it will land on heads once, and tails once. there's your probbability refresher. now for proc rates:
your average proc, has a natural proc rate of 2 times per 60 seconds, or 1 time per 30 seconds. regardless of what the weapons delay is. now, with a little thinking, you will realize this is just a probability. The actual "chance to proc per swing" value, will be adjusted by the game, automatically, to compensate for changes to weapon delay caused by either haste or slow spells, so that it MAINTAINS THE SAME PROC RATE, dictated by probability.
SO: if a weapon has a 30 second swing (300 delay), with an average proc, it means it has a ~95% chance to proc each swing (nothing in EQ being 100% garunteed). Now haste the weapon by 100%; this causes a reduction in weapon delay by half (divide by 2). Delay is now 150 (15second delay). To maintain that "proc rate" of 1/30sec (or 2/per mi), the game automatically resets the "chance to proc each swing" value. so now, at 150 delay with the same weapon, your chance to proc each swing is 50%. In the ideal world of probability, one swing will proc, and the other wont, and bingo, you still ahve a once per 30 second proc rate.
Now, yes, you can get lucky, and it will proc a lot more than probability dictates. And yes, it may never proc at all. That's due to the random number generator (think, rolling dice, or flipping the coin). Remember, probability all takes place inside an ideal world, where each outcome happens a set specific amount of times.
--
also note, the number here are an example, made nice and round for understanding. there are other procs with really high proc rate, such as the summoned cleric hammers (procs several times in a minute), and some with lower proc rates than 2x/min. but the avg proc, is 2x/min.
Edited, Sun Nov 21 11:33:20 2004
If you have less haste, a proccing weapon is better. as you get more haste, the proccing of the weapon does less of a % of the weapon's dps. So if you're hasted out the wahzoo most of the time, you might be wasting your $ on a weapon like this that does most of it's dmg through the proc... if you're usually hasted max get a better dmg/dly weapon!
Not because the proc actually gets less or more, but because the dps of the weapon improves with haste, and proc rate stays the same.
Not because the proc actually gets less or more, but because the dps of the weapon improves with haste, and proc rate stays the same.
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Got this yesterday for my 65 Ranger. And it's just fun. Did not spend AAs in Weapon affinity yet, but I will now. Procced in Riwwi 2-5 times and thats a lot of Damage (and eyecandy, of course ;) )
It's a very, very nice toy ;)
It's a very, very nice toy ;)
19 posts
I just want you people to realize one thing.
As a bard, it is VERY easy to get down to 10 delay even on a 27 delay weapon, or damn close to it.
Even with a 34% WORN haste, using Warsong of Zek, you can get damn close to the 100% cap. Now, add in Composition of Ervaj, for 110% at least(If Brass mod doesn't add to it). You essentially have a 11 or 12 delay weapon. Delightful Orb of Forgotten Magic is what 19/30? Bard Haste can bring that down to about 13-14 Delay too.
So for people to say that a 16/20 owns a 19/30 that has a 320 dd proc, you are full of crap if you have the right kinds of haste.
Now, does a 12/27(640), own a 19/30(320)? Delightful orb averages about 110(215ish on crits), the Cudgel is about 85ish(160ish) with a 640 dmg proc. The actual DPS is about the same, however you have to figure that Bards and Beastlords get a mediocre double attack.
As a bard, it is VERY easy to get down to 10 delay even on a 27 delay weapon, or damn close to it.
Even with a 34% WORN haste, using Warsong of Zek, you can get damn close to the 100% cap. Now, add in Composition of Ervaj, for 110% at least(If Brass mod doesn't add to it). You essentially have a 11 or 12 delay weapon. Delightful Orb of Forgotten Magic is what 19/30? Bard Haste can bring that down to about 13-14 Delay too.
So for people to say that a 16/20 owns a 19/30 that has a 320 dd proc, you are full of crap if you have the right kinds of haste.
Now, does a 12/27(640), own a 19/30(320)? Delightful orb averages about 110(215ish on crits), the Cudgel is about 85ish(160ish) with a 640 dmg proc. The actual DPS is about the same, however you have to figure that Bards and Beastlords get a mediocre double attack.
so much incorrect stuff in this post.
-10 delay isn't a minimum. the logs just don't parse anything finer... you can still lower the delay to less than that.
-Composition of Ervaj, for 110% at least - Composition of Ervaj does stack, but it is v2 haste, it does not allow you to go over the haste cap (100%)
-haste does not give you more procs. A 16/20 gets more advantage over the 19/30 w/ proc the more haste you have, since the whole dps of the weapon increases linearly from the haste. The 19/30 w/ proc is better than the 16/20 with no/low haste or if you are slowed, since the proc damage stays the same, but the weapon damage is less.
Edited, Thu May 4 14:43:41 2006
-10 delay isn't a minimum. the logs just don't parse anything finer... you can still lower the delay to less than that.
-Composition of Ervaj, for 110% at least - Composition of Ervaj does stack, but it is v2 haste, it does not allow you to go over the haste cap (100%)
-haste does not give you more procs. A 16/20 gets more advantage over the 19/30 w/ proc the more haste you have, since the whole dps of the weapon increases linearly from the haste. The 19/30 w/ proc is better than the 16/20 with no/low haste or if you are slowed, since the proc damage stays the same, but the weapon damage is less.
Edited, Thu May 4 14:43:41 2006
You can also get below 10 delay, thats just the minimum for the animation for each swing, you still can attack faster then 1 second per swing.
Time and again it has been shown in parses that procs are time based not swing based. Avg number of procs on most weapons is about 1 every 30secs. Haste does not increase the number of procs.
Also you must consider that procs get resisted and on bosses this proc will likely be resisted 100% of the time making this a pretty crappy weapon.
"So for people to say that a 16/20 owns a 19/30 that has a 320 dd proc, you are full of crap if you have the right kinds of haste."
You assume that procs are never resisted. 16/20 will beat 19/30 unless the procs lands for full every time. If the proc is 50% effective I'll bet that the dps is about even between the 2 weapons but the 16/20 has the edge.
Edited, Mon Sep 27 09:51:39 2004
Also you must consider that procs get resisted and on bosses this proc will likely be resisted 100% of the time making this a pretty crappy weapon.
"So for people to say that a 16/20 owns a 19/30 that has a 320 dd proc, you are full of crap if you have the right kinds of haste."
You assume that procs are never resisted. 16/20 will beat 19/30 unless the procs lands for full every time. If the proc is 50% effective I'll bet that the dps is about even between the 2 weapons but the 16/20 has the edge.
Edited, Mon Sep 27 09:51:39 2004
Technically they are not time based. The game gives a weapon a chance to proc that based on delay, makes it proc on average every 30 seconds, as a base. Then some weapons, like Cleric hammers, have an adjusted rate to improve the chances.
WA and dex increase the chance, improving the frequency. If it was purely just 'oh, 30 seconds have passed, proc', I wouldn't go 2 fights with no proc than have it proc 4 times in the next fight. It averages out to every 30 seconds if parsed over a night of fighting, but some mobs avoid being force struck and others get it good :)
WA and dex increase the chance, improving the frequency. If it was purely just 'oh, 30 seconds have passed, proc', I wouldn't go 2 fights with no proc than have it proc 4 times in the next fight. It averages out to every 30 seconds if parsed over a night of fighting, but some mobs avoid being force struck and others get it good :)
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I use the steel hilted flint dagger myself. I think the stats alone would make this weapon worth more even though it does have a required lvl of 55. I just dinged 55 myself recently and when someone auctioned it off in PoK, I about dropped my jaw. Beastlords don't get much in the way of decent weapons so something like this is nice. But this is just my opinion.
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I've used the Steel Hilted Flint Dagger and it was fun, but not much else.
I am positive this is a lot better, but having just dinged level 55 Beastlord, I am probably not going to use the Dedgerex.
I'd rather be doing consistant damage that cannot be resisted than inconsistant damage that has a very good chance of being totally absorbed by the mob.
Don't forget the aggro this proc produces as well. Even with the crap Steel Handled I frequently steal aggro from the main tank and cause the cleric to have to constantly heal me.
This weapon seemed badass when it came out, but little by little I think people have realized that it isn't so hot. It goes down in price an average of 15-20% every couple of weeks on Veeshan. I might buy one when it goes below 10k.
I am positive this is a lot better, but having just dinged level 55 Beastlord, I am probably not going to use the Dedgerex.
I'd rather be doing consistant damage that cannot be resisted than inconsistant damage that has a very good chance of being totally absorbed by the mob.
Don't forget the aggro this proc produces as well. Even with the crap Steel Handled I frequently steal aggro from the main tank and cause the cleric to have to constantly heal me.
This weapon seemed badass when it came out, but little by little I think people have realized that it isn't so hot. It goes down in price an average of 15-20% every couple of weeks on Veeshan. I might buy one when it goes below 10k.
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Paid 28k for this on TT. pretty sweet with weapon affinity aa and 245 dex, can knock in 4 procs = 2500 extra dmg a battle. if i happen to proc crit that's still 3145 dmg. 65 monk in Valon was like,"where you been all this time?" kick out our wizzy in ldons lol
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You are all forgetting one big thing. At higher levels mobs resist fire more. In Cazic Thule This effect is useless. However, I love it anyways, a good melee will be ready for all situations. I have found this effect works best in LDONs where the mobs don't have 50000 hitpoints each. They also do not resist it as often. When I have this equiped I proc usually 4 times a fight, which helps out a great deal. In the end though it is the luck of the draw, I have had this thing proc once 3 fights in a row with a 255 dex and I have had it proc 4 in a row in one fight. If you like it, use it, if you don't sell it and let someone else enjoy it.
BTW fully hasted, this thing is deadly, IMO from experience.
BTW fully hasted, this thing is deadly, IMO from experience.
This weapon has no proc modifer. It will proc about once every 30 secs with 305 dex. All weapons proc at exactly the same rate unless they have a modifer. Despite what some people may claim about their favorite weapon, very few weapons have modifiers. 625 every 30 secs is 21 dps. You would be giving up far more than 21 melee dps to have this proc, so overall not worth it. If you put it in secondary it will only proc half as often as primary.
I can't figure out where you got your 30 second number. I have seen this proc back to back. I have seen most of my procing weapons proc back to back.
Sometime three times in a row.
Once had this go off 4 times in an under 30 sec fight. I don't often see my melee DPS break 200.
Do I think this is an Uber weapon? No. I still use my Prismatic and Swifty.
But it is a lot of fun.
-wogai
Edited, Fri Jul 30 12:31:39 2004
Sometime three times in a row.
Once had this go off 4 times in an under 30 sec fight. I don't often see my melee DPS break 200.
Do I think this is an Uber weapon? No. I still use my Prismatic and Swifty.
But it is a lot of fun.
-wogai
Edited, Fri Jul 30 12:31:39 2004
This statistic is an average proc rate. People have done extensive parsing, and find that over 250 DEX (almost no change up to 305) the main hand will proc 2 times/minute, and the off hand 1 time/minute. Each rank of Weapon Affinity will add 10% to the proc rate, so with WA5 you will get 3 procs/minute main hand and 1.5 procs/minute off hand...again on average. All of us have seen a weapon proc many times in a row...and you have probably had fights where there were no procs at all. It is averaged over a long period of time to be this way.
Game on,
The Oneiromancer
Game on,
The Oneiromancer
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Personally as a 61 beastlord who doesn't do big raids or go deep in the planes I have found this weapon to be an excellent choice.
I use it along with a Steel Hilted Flint Dagger in my off hand and 2 levels (so far) of weapon affinity. I proc like mad and generally take things down almost twice as fast now as I could at level 60 with a copper hammer of striking and a waning light katar.
I use it along with a Steel Hilted Flint Dagger in my off hand and 2 levels (so far) of weapon affinity. I proc like mad and generally take things down almost twice as fast now as I could at level 60 with a copper hammer of striking and a waning light katar.
In general this is true. However, if you have Weapon Affinity 5 this raises your proc rate by 50%, to once ever 20 seconds, making the dps what, 31.5 based on your previous number? The difference is very noticeable, and so it depends on your situation. Right now my setup (Slave's Hidden Orb with +2 damage augment and 75 point lifetap in main, Velium Inlaid Claws with 50 point lifetap in off) is more dps than having this cudgel, but once I get Weapon Affinity 5 the cudgel becomes better...and I would probably put a 125 or 150 point proc aug in the cudgel too, and just have a pure dps setup and a tanking setup.
Game on,
The Oneiromancer
Game on,
The Oneiromancer
I have to agree. Unless this procs like jackrabbit in heat the proc dps is not going to make up for the horrible 12/27 dmg/dly ratio. A 16/20 wep you can get for half the price will serve you much better.
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Anyone have any idea what the graphic is on this weapon? Wondering if it looks like the Pic on the link (Soulstripper) ? Thanks in advance =P
Doesn't look like the soulstripper...actually looks exactly like the Troubador's Mace, if you know what that looks like.
Here is what it looks like worn (sadly my computer is slow, so this hand you see is pre-Luclin models, ack): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/ErikVKing/DedgerexsFlintforgedCudgel-worn.jpg
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Posted: Jul 02 2004 at 4:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok , you guys talking about 15k and 50k .. whatever..sold on the Tribunal YESTERDAY in UNDER 30min for 180k .. so, put down the pipe and move along now.
Shouldn't that read On crack you must being
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Save your pp this item is not worth more than 15k. It doesn't proc enough to make up for the dmg/dly. And my dex is at 305.
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Procs pretty often for me, and my DEX is only 220. Had it proc 3 times in one fight before. 15k? please, a class that gets ingenuity AA could get crit procs for 1250. Worth alot more than 15k, not that I plan on selling it anytime soon.
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Posted: Jun 29 2004 at 10:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 1700000pp?!??! What ever you are smoking Allakhazam be sure and sell it before it's gone. You'll make a fortune!!!
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Posted: Jun 29 2004 at 10:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 1700000pp?!??! What ever you are smoking Allakhazam be sure and sell it before it's gone. You'll make a fortune!!!
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Saw it on auction channel just a few days ago in Mith-Marr Bazaar, was 50kpp which sounded about right to me. Very nice weapon, hopefully can afford it or even loot one for myself someday =)
I upgraded my Beastlord with this weapon from my steel hilted flint dagger. I was really pleased with my steel hilted flint dagger, because it outdamaged my SoD with ease.
From my first experience with the Dedgerex's Flintforged Cudgels is that it procs as often a the steel hilted flint dagger.
With the improved damage and stats, this weapon is really worth a closer look, even for the tank classes.
The steel hilted flint dagger is only for bst and ranger, this weapon is open to even more classes. I never understood the beastlords that prefered a dps only weapon over a steel hilted flint dagger only because it is piercing and not h2h.
The Dedgerex's Flintforged Cudgel is 1hblunt ... so what?
All I can say the Dedgerex's Flintforged Cudgel and the Steel hilted Flint Dagger outdamageing ALL weapons I can BUY with my beastlord (and I tried all), as long as you have not a mob that is immune to your procs. :D
From my first experience with the Dedgerex's Flintforged Cudgels is that it procs as often a the steel hilted flint dagger.
With the improved damage and stats, this weapon is really worth a closer look, even for the tank classes.
The steel hilted flint dagger is only for bst and ranger, this weapon is open to even more classes. I never understood the beastlords that prefered a dps only weapon over a steel hilted flint dagger only because it is piercing and not h2h.
The Dedgerex's Flintforged Cudgel is 1hblunt ... so what?
All I can say the Dedgerex's Flintforged Cudgel and the Steel hilted Flint Dagger outdamageing ALL weapons I can BUY with my beastlord (and I tried all), as long as you have not a mob that is immune to your procs. :D
I have a Steel Hilted Flint Dagger and a Fury Edged Short Sword. Level 56 Ranger, 255 Dex. The Steel Hilted Flint Dagger processes at a very very poor rate for me, and alway has since I got it at level 50. On the other hand, the Fury Edged Short Sword processes at an amazing rate, often 5 times a fight. I use the Polished Obsidian Tomahawk which even processes more often then the Fury Edged Short Sword in Primay until it processed, then swap hands so the Fury is in the Primary. If the Dedgerex's Cudgel only processes as well as the Steel Hilted Flint Dagger, it will not be worth it. Look elsewhere.
You are probably off-handing the SHFD which will always proc less then a weapon that is equiped in the main hand.
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it just me or is this a rather high damage proc? i thought the sarnak summoner's dagger was high at 265 albeit i do not know the proc damage of every weapon out there but this one seems high to me.... /shrug
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Well guy there's the Steel Hilted Flint Dagger with the same proc and Fury Edged Short Sword with Shock of Swords a proc that Decrease Hitpoints by 580 to 600. This is just 2 examples and there are others if you know how to do the research.
"look a train,oh it's a bard no wonder"
"look a train,oh it's a bard no wonder"
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That's the idea, Element. It comes from riwwi, a fairly high level zone, and the ratio totally sucks for where it's from, but the proc makes up for it. Think of the steel flint dagger from way back, or the ethereal destroyer from time, bad ratio, big proc.
Theres actually a few items that have this proc on them, including another weapon, however the ratio is alot better on this then the hilted dagger ( forget the name off the top of my head) I know theres also a BP that drops from Velk that has this effect on it. I can see this weapon going for 30k+ (at least on bertoxx)
There's one other weapon with this proc. One other is a 25 secondish clicky robe, the other is a 3-charge click wand.
Comparing a 25-second cast time item for wizards only to a melee weapon with this proc is... well... no comparison :P
Comparing a 25-second cast time item for wizards only to a melee weapon with this proc is... well... no comparison :P
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That's the idea, Element. It comes from riwwi, a fairly high level zone, and the ratio totally sucks for where it's from, but the proc makes up for it. Think of the steel flint dagger from way back, or the ethereal destroyer from time, bad ratio, big proc.
ED 16/20 bad ?
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Heh, compared to other time weaps 16/20 is horrible.
for the record, ED is 16/22, and by GoD/time standards, its a terrible ratio.
Scholar
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And has a -15% Proc Modifier...
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