Legacy of YkeshaAll I have to say, is PERFECT for a rogue with some masks.
Charm of Deception
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23 posts
Dont forget that bards use the same masks... and that charisma boost would be a BIG help too! And with the extra dex to stop missed notes on songs... i cant see WHY this isnt a great charm for bards! AND chanters too! (granted, giving a rogue that much of an extra chance to hit is great too!)
As for other illusion using classes, well i see my buddy rogues using theirs LONG before i see the mana spent for wolf and bear forms, so i think mask users will get the most out of them.
As for other illusion using classes, well i see my buddy rogues using theirs LONG before i see the mana spent for wolf and bear forms, so i think mask users will get the most out of them.
Lol, perfect for my ranger with wolf form : )
Also good for:
Shaman in bear form
Chanter using any illusion - for charisma, and extra HP always good.
Necro in skeleton form
Any melee with Boon of the garou on them, or imp form
Even decent for a druid in wolf form, as the sta would give a few extra HP, which would benice if stunned while quadding
Or for anyone who wants the extra stats bad enough to burn an illusion potion to get them.
Probably a few I forgot, but these ones are what came to mind.
Shaman in bear form
Chanter using any illusion - for charisma, and extra HP always good.
Necro in skeleton form
Any melee with Boon of the garou on them, or imp form
Even decent for a druid in wolf form, as the sta would give a few extra HP, which would benice if stunned while quadding
Or for anyone who wants the extra stats bad enough to burn an illusion potion to get them.
Probably a few I forgot, but these ones are what came to mind.
Wood elf Crown, thx
Ok, I keep reading in this thread that some people think Charisma affects mez length or mez resists. Charisma ONLY affects three things in game.
1) Prices selling and buying from NPC's
2) The "break check" that an NPC does every so often while charmed. In other words if a charm will break early or will hold for the duration.
3) The chance that an NPC will aggro AFTER it has resisted an attempt to lull/pacify.
Charisma has nothing to do with how long a mez will last or or the chances of the intial cast of the mez landing. Mez will last for the duration of the spell unless it is broken/dispelled early and the resist check is based on caster level againt NPC level and its resists levels.
With that being said. This dropped from the mob named above and was an easy kill for my 52 monk and 52 cleric. He spawned in the temple after we had killed another minor named mob ToFS style. He did not hit overly hard or fast. Just as a side note though both characters had a good set of buffs and are well twinked though not super duper uber twinked.
This charm works when you are in ANY form other than your orignal. This means bear, wolf, project illusion, form change from Grieg's End, potions etc etc.
As far as who it could benifit from it the most... Heh, I would say anyone who can inherently change form without needing potions, project illusion or a NPC proc. That would include anyone who can change thier own form without out side intervention. Everyone who does not have a charm could get it and use it and if you want it go for it!
<Edit> Yes, I forgot about Divine Intervention and that line of spells. As far as mez like I said I read a dev post about Cha and mez/charm. I wish I could find it again so I could link it.
Edited, Tue Apr 1 17:03:08 2003
1) Prices selling and buying from NPC's
2) The "break check" that an NPC does every so often while charmed. In other words if a charm will break early or will hold for the duration.
3) The chance that an NPC will aggro AFTER it has resisted an attempt to lull/pacify.
Charisma has nothing to do with how long a mez will last or or the chances of the intial cast of the mez landing. Mez will last for the duration of the spell unless it is broken/dispelled early and the resist check is based on caster level againt NPC level and its resists levels.
With that being said. This dropped from the mob named above and was an easy kill for my 52 monk and 52 cleric. He spawned in the temple after we had killed another minor named mob ToFS style. He did not hit overly hard or fast. Just as a side note though both characters had a good set of buffs and are well twinked though not super duper uber twinked.
This charm works when you are in ANY form other than your orignal. This means bear, wolf, project illusion, form change from Grieg's End, potions etc etc.
As far as who it could benifit from it the most... Heh, I would say anyone who can inherently change form without needing potions, project illusion or a NPC proc. That would include anyone who can change thier own form without out side intervention. Everyone who does not have a charm could get it and use it and if you want it go for it!
<Edit> Yes, I forgot about Divine Intervention and that line of spells. As far as mez like I said I read a dev post about Cha and mez/charm. I wish I could find it again so I could link it.
Edited, Tue Apr 1 17:03:08 2003
7 posts
You are correct, Magic resist is what effects the resist rate of mezz, but I have experimented and found that high charisma also has small effect on the resist rate. I find if I am having a hard time landing mezz I Tash and it lands.
Scholar
40 posts
i havent tested it myself but many people have and most have said that higher CHA makes your mezs resist less often.
CHA also helps lull/harmony type spells and divine intervention
CHA also helps lull/harmony type spells and divine intervention
26 posts
My testing has shown that cha does indeed affect the initial chance of mez being resisted. Though not by leaps and bounds, but if you reduce your cha to 20, mezes have a significantly harder time of landing than if your cha is 255. a few days of testing with some neg cha gear, vs full cha + cha buffed will show the same thing to anyone who takes the time to test it.
It is not a teribly noticable however, if your cha is in a normalish range for an enchanter.
THe break check you refer to that charmed mobs get, is made every 6 seconds.
It is not a teribly noticable however, if your cha is in a normalish range for an enchanter.
THe break check you refer to that charmed mobs get, is made every 6 seconds.
WHile I agree that Cha has nothing to do with mez, I think limiting it to only three things is a bit short sighted. One thing I can think of off the top of my head that Cha effects is death pact.
2 posts
Please people before you post something read the eq book that came with the game it says right under stats description that dex is for procs, missle weapons, and among other things less spell interuptions
thanks
thanks
I hope you are being sarcastic. Among my favorite lies, the book also says dex makes you hit faster in melee which extensive parsing has disproved. I don't know who wrote that book or why, but my advice to anyone who is trying to figure out how the game mechanics really work is to burn it.
That book is old, you'll notice that nothing newer ever makes that claim. Channeling skill is what affects spell interruptions. Not dex.
15 posts
I have to completely disagree with you yet again. I have been doing some research while buffing newbs in the newb zones when i get bored. I can literally take 2 steps while casting and only interrupt about 1 in 10 casts with a 255 dex, and Channeling of course maxed. strip it down to my original 75 Dex, and i can't even take 1 step without interrupt. Channeling is a skill, yes, and i do agree it may have something to do with it, but DEX definitely has an effect.
I have done another test as well. The Phase spiders in Dragon Nec. I was altering my dex in each fight. again with 255 dex even the little forced shadow step, i was interrupted about 1 in 15 times. and again with a 121 Dex (with different armor keeping most other stats similar. charisma was lowered to base, as well as Str raised by 3. HP and Mana stats were also lowered. wisdom was raised from 229 to 255) I was interrupted 29 out of 30.
For those of you who doubt me... Test for yourself. You will come with similar if not identical results.
(you're probably wondering why would a druid have gear to raise his dex instead of wisdom... simply a druid of the mid 50s in groups or raids are there for 2 things, Spot heals and Evacs, either way interruption could mean the end. my raid gear is the max dex, my solo gear is max wis. And YES it was definitely a pain to find the gear to get my dex to 255. it's at 236 naturally, buffed at 255)
Edited, Mon Jun 9 06:50:52 2003
I have done another test as well. The Phase spiders in Dragon Nec. I was altering my dex in each fight. again with 255 dex even the little forced shadow step, i was interrupted about 1 in 15 times. and again with a 121 Dex (with different armor keeping most other stats similar. charisma was lowered to base, as well as Str raised by 3. HP and Mana stats were also lowered. wisdom was raised from 229 to 255) I was interrupted 29 out of 30.
For those of you who doubt me... Test for yourself. You will come with similar if not identical results.
(you're probably wondering why would a druid have gear to raise his dex instead of wisdom... simply a druid of the mid 50s in groups or raids are there for 2 things, Spot heals and Evacs, either way interruption could mean the end. my raid gear is the max dex, my solo gear is max wis. And YES it was definitely a pain to find the gear to get my dex to 255. it's at 236 naturally, buffed at 255)
Edited, Mon Jun 9 06:50:52 2003
9 posts
hehe...and everything in the book is absolutely correct, right?
/chuckle
/chuckle
NO class is over looked when that is on the usable class/race info.
14 posts
would this by any chance work for necros while in Lich or Call of Bones or Arch Lich and whatnot? would really like to know...
5 posts
The chance of avoiding an interruption is NOT based on dex, it's based on your channeling skill. Dex affects how quickly you learn weapon skills, and how often a weapon will proc.
"You regain your concentration and continue your casting". That's channeling, not dex.
Murias Leafstorm
60 Hierophant
Druzzil Ro
"You regain your concentration and continue your casting". That's channeling, not dex.
Murias Leafstorm
60 Hierophant
Druzzil Ro
Channeling skill does not keep you from being interupted.
The channeling skill determines your chance of regaining your concentration, and thus finishing your casting, AFTER being interupted.
The channeling skill determines your chance of regaining your concentration, and thus finishing your casting, AFTER being interupted.
Um, interruption is defined as not regaining concentration. Channeling skill determines your chance of regaining concentration after being hit or moved.
You are partially correct. I have tested this to a very lengthy test, all while keeping the same channeling ability and modifying my dex from 80 to 255. At 255 it was near impossible for me not to channel through being hit, unless I was knocked back or stunned. At 80, I was having an incredibly hard time getting any spell off. And this was done with green mobs to dark blue mobs beating on me, not simultaneously, as that woulda made my cleric friend rather mad. But I can say with 100% certainty that having a high dex is important to getting your channeling to kick in. And btw, my channeling was maxed 204, at my level 52, when I tested this. The only thing I have had various results with dex were on crits with spells. I once had my dex at 255 and crited 7 times in less than an hour, and was only level 36 at the time. And the last time I had my dex that high I only crited once in 4 hours, which is what my normal rate is, btw which was level 52 also. I think that at some point a long time ago, dex was used in calculating spell crits, but it appears that is no longer the case. The weird thing is criting on a melee spell proc, it does tend to happen alot more with an incredibly high dex, but that could be a normal rate, only I notice it more due to procing so frequently. I will need to test it alot more to determine if it is the case. And as an evac class, I believe in maxing out my dex as soon as I can without sacrifincing int / mana / focus effects. Anything to help me save my party, save my butt, and save the hassel of lengthy CR's.
19 posts
Granted this item would be best for a chanter becuase they rely heavily on cha, but this charm is good for ANY class, yes I repeat, ANY class. Everyone seems to keep saying rogs get thrown in with all the illusion casting class's becuase they have illusion items. Well guess what, thanks to luclin and PoP EVERY class can now benefit from this type of item wether they are in a group or not. There are quite a few items in the game that ALL class's can use that give an illusion. Granted, some are not easy to come by, but you can always buy the pots that change you, and the lvl you have to be at to obtain this item, if a chanter/bard actually needs that 10cha that bad they are not a very good chanter/bard. By then they should have well over 200cha if not max'd. So don't go giving it straight off to them just becuase of their class, let the person that will most benefit from the item get it. That 10dex and 6sta very well might help say a ranger more or even a monk who like a rog need all the hps they can get. Just becuase an item leans towards certain class's more doesn't mean it was made specifically for them, it very well might do just as good for another class. Like most items it's situational according to who's there and what gear each person has at that time.
12 posts
Ok honestly people, look at it. It was obviously made for Chanters... then bards.
Im sorry but in a group I would give this to chanter over any other class. The CHA could mean the diff between that mez holding or not. And crowd controll is WAY more important than how high some other class wants to get their CHA.
Don't get me wrong, a bard would make good use of this item. So could a Rouge, 10 dex when they use their masks is nothing to skoff at.
Any other class using it? Then your just getting silly.
Im sorry but in a group I would give this to chanter over any other class. The CHA could mean the diff between that mez holding or not. And crowd controll is WAY more important than how high some other class wants to get their CHA.
Don't get me wrong, a bard would make good use of this item. So could a Rouge, 10 dex when they use their masks is nothing to skoff at.
Any other class using it? Then your just getting silly.
33 posts
I think it neccisairy to point out a class you either overlooked or neglected to mention... WARRIORS, the higher the dex the more they will both crit and proc, the sta helps add hp's and lessen the possability of neg effects once stamina bar is drained (no neg stats above 120 but still hit slightly slower and for less on average)
Although my Ogre would make the ugly tree look beutiful with his 1 cha with this item he would still have a charisma of around 6 (BTW I have found a low cha DOSE help hold agro)
But it only works when not in true form you may say... A warriors best friend after 44 is Boon of the Garu =)
now I'm not saying it's ideal for them but if you are talking classes that gain the most benifit, look at those who will be fighting (or selling) while under an Illusion, It would also come in really handy in a few zones in luclin where you get your form altered everytime you get hit...heh
look at those who crit, proc, backstab, charm, or just plain want to have a higher cha to lessen agro chances
Be safe an good hunting
Bdday 52 druid Tunare
Crod 47 Warrior Tunare
Although my Ogre would make the ugly tree look beutiful with his 1 cha with this item he would still have a charisma of around 6 (BTW I have found a low cha DOSE help hold agro)
But it only works when not in true form you may say... A warriors best friend after 44 is Boon of the Garu =)
now I'm not saying it's ideal for them but if you are talking classes that gain the most benifit, look at those who will be fighting (or selling) while under an Illusion, It would also come in really handy in a few zones in luclin where you get your form altered everytime you get hit...heh
look at those who crit, proc, backstab, charm, or just plain want to have a higher cha to lessen agro chances
Be safe an good hunting
Bdday 52 druid Tunare
Crod 47 Warrior Tunare
9 posts
WTH? If you get boon of the Garou, your DEX will be maxxed anyway, so whats the point? and the extra Sta will add to total hp, not current, so everytime boon wears off and you get it again, you lose the extra hp.
There is no point it worry about 10 dex when you are boon'd as it is most certainly maxxed.
There is no point it worry about 10 dex when you are boon'd as it is most certainly maxxed.
As a Ranger I would love the STA and DEX, even though it could only be used while in wolf form(or with project illusion). And a Rogue would like the STA more than DEX(STR effects BS damage, DEX effects proc and crit frequency, STA=HP)
30 posts
Actually, Dex DOES help a rogue's backstab. It makes it more likely to hit max damage.
I noticed that with Boon of the Garou I hit my capped backstab a LOT more (255 dex) then with 255 STR and normal dex. That was pre51 though, might work a little differently now that I'm 53.. **shrug**
I noticed that with Boon of the Garou I hit my capped backstab a LOT more (255 dex) then with 255 STR and normal dex. That was pre51 though, might work a little differently now that I'm 53.. **shrug**
5 posts
Dear Shezzalim,
You are wrong.
Thank you.
-Rinzai
65 Rogue that knows better
You are wrong.
Thank you.
-Rinzai
65 Rogue that knows better
15 posts
Dex effects us Droods and i'm assuming other casters as well you know... the chance of avoiding an interruption is based on our Dex. the higher the dex the less likely we're interrupted... that Evac that just saved your life??? that was me ( after being hit several times ) and my 203 dex. I think any class can benefit from this item... to an extent, though i'm sure Chantys far more than any other
Edited, Sun Mar 9 11:27:41 2003
Edited, Sun Mar 9 11:27:41 2003
I wonder if Bear Form for Shaman would qualify as an illusion. But either way, I am not sure that it matters that it is an illusion or not, because the message states the charm activates when your apparent form is not your true form. Can anyone confirm or deny such?
3 posts
I have this on my ranger, and it does work in wolf form. I would assume that if it does then, it would for bear form as well
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Posted: Mar 07 2003 at 7:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) MONK! Definitely for a MONK!
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all i have to say is your a tool
and you sir, are a moron for not recognizing sarcasm
3 posts
My ranger was the only one in group that could remotly use this so I got it. Not a bad little bit, but you actually have to be changed for it to work. If you have wolfform icon up but have changed back to your normal shape because of another shape overlay the benefit stops. I can also confirm that it works with spells like Boon and AA Guardian of the Forest
Telzey 62 Ranger
Mildweasel 54 Wizzy
Telzey 62 Ranger
Mildweasel 54 Wizzy
Ok ok, yes we all know rangers, necros, druids and rogues have illusion spells/items. But this charm is really made for 2 classes in mind, Bards and Enchanters.
But if you wittle it down, Does a chanter really need DEX when they are twisting casts every 3 seconds continiously? ummm no. Bards would use Dex and Charisma the most out of all the other "illusion" classes for mezzing and charming. Plus the extra dex does effect the amount of missed notes. All the other classes out there, if this drops in your group and you have a bard or enchanter present, step down and give it to them... they can actually use the item more efficently than any other classes.
But if you wittle it down, Does a chanter really need DEX when they are twisting casts every 3 seconds continiously? ummm no. Bards would use Dex and Charisma the most out of all the other "illusion" classes for mezzing and charming. Plus the extra dex does effect the amount of missed notes. All the other classes out there, if this drops in your group and you have a bard or enchanter present, step down and give it to them... they can actually use the item more efficently than any other classes.
You seem to be one of those ones saying *class X* should get this while trying to hide that they are *class X* . . . . I know as an SK I would love to have this thing for the simple fact that 10 dex makes a noticeable difference on my proc rate, which makes a huge difference for me, and on top of that SKs do get skelly illusion spells, although they're not particularly easy to come by. Dex helps a necro on their pet's proc rate as well - my wife's necro's pet sometimes goes into insane proc frenzies of as many as 10 times in a row, and it doesn't do that when she doesn't have her extra dex from gear. A lot of classes would find this item to be rather usefull. It is not one that screams out any one class over all otherss..
16 posts
Can someone verify this?? does DEX of a necormancer determine proc rate of the pet.. will this also affect the pets lifetap spells or just proccing wepons you give him? would love to know more info about this
hmm, bards twist songs and enchanter mez/charm more often. not the other way around.
23 posts
I think what he said was that bards CAST more often in a fight then a chanter, as we are CONSTANLY shifting songs every 3 seconds. When he said that he was talking about how we cast more then OTHER charmer mezzers, and i can honestly say hes right. Even when the fight ends, one will se a bard twisting to cut down the down time (a blessing of the bard class). where as when a fights over most chanters sit down and regen the old mana bar. As for who charms and mezzes more? well duh, yes chanters... they last longer in duration then a bards, and thats why. But i play a bard, and have saved groups from 6 to 7 mobs all the time! Trust me im GRATFUL when a chanter steps in to give my fingers a rest!
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Posted: Mar 07 2003 at 4:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok, not sure if anyone has tried this, but doesn't riding a horse actually count as an "illusion"? If I remember how the horse was explained, it is an illusion with a buff as well. So it begs the question... If the horse is in fact an illusion, other illusions usually do not stack with a horse, does this charm show bonuses when equipped by someone on a horse? Just curious. But if it does work while on horseback, it certainly increases the usefullness of the charm.
44 posts
mm read thru previous posts as there is one that refers to this.
35 posts
All I'm saying is, with the Lute of the Howler werewolf illusion, this would be just too sweet for a bard.
UMMM dont forget the half a dozen masks that bards and rogues have the privvy to wear those to are illusions to but yea as a rogue that loves his de form so he doesnt need that damned ba helm all the time this is a rather nice item
9 posts
Shrink makes you smaller than you really are. Anyone know if it works with this charm?
37 posts
I doubt that shrink counts as an illusion. When you have an illusion cast on you, it takes up a buff slot with an icon that says "Illusion: XXXXX"
my guess is that this is the kind of illusion they mean, but i'm not positive.
my guess is that this is the kind of illusion they mean, but i'm not positive.
15 posts
Wolf Form does count as an illusion, as does shrink, i'm assuming. I tested it by clicking my face key in both forms, it says you can't alter your appearance while you are under the effecto of an illusion... or something like that.
Does not work with Shrink, nor with a horse for that matter in case some were wondering about that.
Try out the new loy alchemy-essence"....." for anyone who wants an illusion.
4 posts
Will my AA transform in elements work with this?
4 posts
Even a necromancer can use this, their lich forms are illusions and therefore activate it.
6 posts
I for one am a paladin with the old school guise, and i welcome this in my inventory slot :)
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Posted: Mar 06 2003 at 8:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I can see this helping Bards and Chanters the most, but I'd take one on my Druid as well. Cha helps harmony for us now (f-you Sony).
Don't forget ENC illusions as well. They get an even wider range of alternate forms.
7 posts
Yeah, Iksar and Dark Elf Chanters use illusions alot to get around faction in most places.
I'm guessing it works with wolf form, so not bad fer rangers.
26 posts
Rogues Rejoice!
Most nearly every rogue of sufficient level has a Dark Elf illusion mask, many have the Iksar and Erudite masks as well. This charm would be the perfect fit for rogues...bards too!
DK
Most nearly every rogue of sufficient level has a Dark Elf illusion mask, many have the Iksar and Erudite masks as well. This charm would be the perfect fit for rogues...bards too!
DK
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Posted: Mar 06 2003 at 6:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Conditional items... wonderful... ;)
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