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Shadows of Luclin
Druids now have very nice heals. Level 70 OOW AA allow for druids to crit heal past 10k easily. It's now common for druids to crit heal over 4k on fast heals. The new DON focus augments are handing out IH5 like candy. There are better IH items that allow for over 40% added to heals, but the don item is for 20%. Clerics are still doing past 18K for Cheal, but this BP is nice for anyone needing mana regen. The new game today is Mana Pool. Most of the new encounters don't let you CH rotate or sit on a mount. You have to run around casting fast heals. 20 mana regen is the new cap and DON has at least 14mana regen on merchants, not to mention the gear you can find or OOW gear, heck even fabled gear has fantastic mana regen. If you haven't hit your cap then you should get this BP, then improve your mana pool.
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Posted: Aug 28 2004 at 1:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow, this is by far the best FT item I have ever seen. I think everyone would love to have it, and I think I speak for everyone when I say, "Holy 
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 2:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) have been looking at my ornate BP in disgust, as the Fabled Mith BP was better.. didnt think i'd find an upgrade till elem BP or higher.. this is NICE BP, just a mith BP with more svs
8 posts
Last night we completed the short version of clearing VT and it dropped. Sheer is now the lucky wearer of the Mail of Judgment :)
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Posted: Apr 13 2004 at 9:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 36 Aten kills yielded, wait for it, one, count em again "one" MOJ.
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Posted: Apr 10 2004 at 10:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) My guild is doing AHR tonight, I have the highest dkp of any priests currently at the raid... wish me luck! Will edit with info in a bit.
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What was someone thinking making something this magnificent. I cant wait to get my hands on this chest piece. It will do a lot of good to a Troll Shammy... cant wait..... /continues dreaming
51 Troll Shammy
51 Troll Shammy
Well having killed Aten numerous times on raids I have NEVER seen this. Platemail BP a few times, but this seems his/her most uber rare drop. Anyone seen it recently?
As for who deserves it most??? Good lord, all the classes that can wear it do. Realistically if the clerics in your guild don't all have FT15 then they MIGHT be awarded it first, but this thing would be a godsend to any of the classes able to wear. Miles better than ornate. Wish they regularly gave necros things with this amount of AC.
As for who deserves it most??? Good lord, all the classes that can wear it do. Realistically if the clerics in your guild don't all have FT15 then they MIGHT be awarded it first, but this thing would be a godsend to any of the classes able to wear. Miles better than ornate. Wish they regularly gave necros things with this amount of AC.
I know years ago when my guild farmed AHR, we got at least 3 or 4 to drop out of maybe 20-30 kills.
hehe well i play a druid and for me this BP would be awesome, first its got FT7 - personally my FT is a bit low, this would help tremedously, then you have the resists, i could really use those as my resists are also a bit low (especially RP and DR) then ya got the stats, atm my wis is maxed until i work in some more AAs to raise the cap but i could use all the other stats, then we have the 65 AC - that much AC is practically unheard of for a druid and in the high end game hp/ac (and resists) own all, then we got the alteration mod - alteration is the singly most used spell type that druids use and most sensible druids specialise in it, this is a welcome addition. saying all this, this BP would be worn just as well on a cleric or shaman, all who have important roles to play in a raid, im my guild we use a dkp system so pretty much the guy who deserves it most (ie has teh most points) is gonna win this. nuff said.
30 posts
Everyone is leaving out how lucky you hafta be to get this item to drop. We have been doing VT a few of weeks now and we havent seen it.
PS the druids in our guild wont be getting this, not becuase they are lesser class but just because I have more DKP than they do =p
PS the druids in our guild wont be getting this, not becuase they are lesser class but just because I have more DKP than they do =p
29 posts
ive never seen so many idiots in one spot, if your class is on it bid, shut up on who its best for
2 posts
lol Omni..... and yes, i am following you
Eristax Elaniak
7th Hammer
Edited, Sat Mar 12 00:53:59 2005
Eristax Elaniak
7th Hammer
Edited, Sat Mar 12 00:53:59 2005
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Posted: Oct 25 2003 at 1:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well for starters I ahve been mh in many groops and have been manny a time with out manna and having to have a back up healer cus it takes 2 of my karana renewals to hela the mt where a cleric can do one spell not to mention to get the spel off takes 10 sec so for 2 it is 20 cleric dot have to cast ch of ful heal in 20 sec
13 posts
lol cleric med? surely you mean cleric standing yaulping and going 'please, not another mob, LoM, mister (or missus) puller' lol
Whoever told you we could do that in a real xp group past 56 =P
~ask any of my groupies how much I med when it's not downtime~
Tweedle
High Priest of Stromm.
Whoever told you we could do that in a real xp group past 56 =P
~ask any of my groupies how much I med when it's not downtime~
Tweedle
High Priest of Stromm.
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Posted: Oct 12 2003 at 2:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) any guilds on the nameless good enough to get this item and are willint to take in a 63 shammy under thier wings please give thumpalotx a hollar and let me PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Here is a hint for you, get your emperor key and VT shards on your own, and then see if any VT capable guild wants you.
11 posts
Getting lvl 65 and a couple dozen aa's wouldn't hurt either :)
17 posts
Most of what was said last was good info. I believe that putting druids in CH is great, IF they have all their AA healing done, and a fairly good size mana pool. The cleric group heals are ideal for keeping the dps group alive.
However, the cleric is a healer, as its primary role, and therefore is best at it, and has the most heal spells. Most clerics strive for FT and mana pool for CH rotation, but its even more needed in a group heal situation.
I love druids, and they have a well rounded addition to any raid, however, a cleric with all their healing AA points and some nice FT and mana pool will out last a druid healing. Its a fact and has been proven. I dont expect a cleric to be a expert nuke dealer, and i dont expect that the druid will be best at healing.
All that said, if you want to run the numbers, i have cast exceptional CH at over 27K (which i know is useless unless im healing a mob (hehe).
Supernal light heals exceptional at over 7K in 4.2 seconds.
Back to the BP, sweetness, everyine who could wear it could benefit, so it should be farmed for all of us!!
However, the cleric is a healer, as its primary role, and therefore is best at it, and has the most heal spells. Most clerics strive for FT and mana pool for CH rotation, but its even more needed in a group heal situation.
I love druids, and they have a well rounded addition to any raid, however, a cleric with all their healing AA points and some nice FT and mana pool will out last a druid healing. Its a fact and has been proven. I dont expect a cleric to be a expert nuke dealer, and i dont expect that the druid will be best at healing.
All that said, if you want to run the numbers, i have cast exceptional CH at over 27K (which i know is useless unless im healing a mob (hehe).
Supernal light heals exceptional at over 7K in 4.2 seconds.
Back to the BP, sweetness, everyine who could wear it could benefit, so it should be farmed for all of us!!
Ok for all you smart people out there who have gotten it in your heads that clerics are the only ones who should be in CH Cycles. My guild is capable of much more because we do NOT waste our clerics on the ch rotation.
My guild just did AOW with two clerics.. rest of our healers were druids. Welcome to POP druid healers.
Druids with Karana's Renewal make up most of our CH rotation while paladins and clerics with group heals make up the group healers and patchers. We save more mana, and when was the last time in a rotation you had to heal for over 5k and succeded. Not very often.
Druids are one of the most underrated classes in the game and are being wasted due to bias. I can heal as well as a cleric in a cycle, and I would be hard pressed outside of the elemental planes to find a cleric healing for more than me in any chain.
That being said this item would be benificial to anyone and with DKP systems in place in most high end guilds it is a moot point arguing...
My guild just did AOW with two clerics.. rest of our healers were druids. Welcome to POP druid healers.
Druids with Karana's Renewal make up most of our CH rotation while paladins and clerics with group heals make up the group healers and patchers. We save more mana, and when was the last time in a rotation you had to heal for over 5k and succeded. Not very often.
Druids are one of the most underrated classes in the game and are being wasted due to bias. I can heal as well as a cleric in a cycle, and I would be hard pressed outside of the elemental planes to find a cleric healing for more than me in any chain.
That being said this item would be benificial to anyone and with DKP systems in place in most high end guilds it is a moot point arguing...
9 posts
I also am a druid, and though it can sometimes be beneficial for druids to run the cycle in quick fights with AE, in a fight that is going to last any longer than a couple minutes a cleric is definately the way to go. True, despite thuleman's comment about a 5k HP tank, that you don't often heal for more than that in a raid situation. in a good chain heals land at a pretty high percent of hte tanks health, so though they may have 9k hps, you aren't healing htem for that much. BUT, despite the fact that our heals will be for about the same amount in a chain, Karana's Renewal costs 600 mana, Complete heal costs 400. In a long duration fight when the healers will have trouble keeping mana (which is where this item and this discussion comes into play) it is much better to have a cleric on the cycles. Druids can heal effectively in exp groups (i heal regularly in BoT and 65 LDON groups), but certainly not when a cleric is around (unless they are oom, and I take over for a bit for them to med up, which happens quite often). Clerics are the main healers, simply put. Of course that is hard to consent when there are jackasses like tremaru running around who think that because clerics are the main healers they are better than druids. Classes are balanced, in certain situations some classes are better, but in general, classes are balanced.
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Posted: Nov 22 2003 at 9:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I never said clerics were "better" than druids, or me by default. Most of that was just being trite b/c my rl friend is druid and its always rivalry.
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I can heal as well as a cleric in a cycle
Uhm ..., I think you are confused. If your MT only has 5k buffed then you can heal as well as a CLR in chain, but when your MT has 9k you fall horribly short.
Clerics are main healers, whether you like that or not makes no difference. Most guilds who go to VT are on DKP and anyone who can use can bid on it, the few that are on award will not give this to a druid if there is a cleric that doesn't have one yet, or doesn't have FT15 yet. Again, whether you believe that or not makes no difference, once you go past AoW and leave Velious behind you may find out for yourself.
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Posted: Sep 04 2003 at 1:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Thxs I needed that boost of confidence about Druids a cleric was makin me feel worthless. I feel happy again. =) here's a game ya can play for the hell of it no download and will kill the time when your waiten for web pages and such to load up. http://go.cannotlinkto.com/play2.x?p=92340
Spoken like a true Druid.
Misguided and dilussional with a side of typical moaning in an almost funny sense if it wasn't so sad.
I play a cleric, thanks for saving me mana so I can nuke, debuff, dot, and patch heal....o wait thats your job. While I have no complaints of having druids in the rot IF NEEDED, just be very aware that your guild is not being efficient, they are gimping out their druids real abilities and quite possibly risking a wipe do to yours/their negligence. I am the "main" healer, not you, not now, not tomorrow, not next expansion, not ever.
Now go pick up the stragglers at the zone for coth.
Trem
Misguided and dilussional with a side of typical moaning in an almost funny sense if it wasn't so sad.
I play a cleric, thanks for saving me mana so I can nuke, debuff, dot, and patch heal....o wait thats your job. While I have no complaints of having druids in the rot IF NEEDED, just be very aware that your guild is not being efficient, they are gimping out their druids real abilities and quite possibly risking a wipe do to yours/their negligence. I am the "main" healer, not you, not now, not tomorrow, not next expansion, not ever.
Now go pick up the stragglers at the zone for coth.
Trem
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Tremaru, you are a roaring a__hole. No contest. Thank you for clarifing this up front.
If I wanted your blind, ignorant opinion I would have asked for it. This item has druid on it as a wearable class, and druids have JUST as much of a shot at it as you do. Now go heal the main tank while I keep the rest of the raid alive. You know, the REST of the raid? The folks who are actually doing the DPS? Feel free to keep the meat shield in place so the rest of US can finish the job. (This barb is intended for Tremaru, not GOOD clerics)
Your blatent greed and obvious lack of raw brain power do keep you at a disadvantage. Try to see how the WHOLE picture works, you worthless moron, and try to play well with others. (a skill you obviously didn't learn in grade school)(and before you attempt to flame me for not playing well with you, TRY to realize your stupidity belittles your entire class)
If I were to rate your post, I would require another catagory, something FAR below 'Brain Dead' and bordering on 'mostly decayed'.
Do you feel better for your post? Did it build up your self-worth? Now, go seek professional help. Oh, and by the way, IF you were in my guild you would NEVER recv a heal from me.
To all others who peruse this post seeking intelligent information, sorry to delay your research and waste your time with yet another post that doesn't contain critical info for you. Please resume your search and pay no attention to the fool who 'thinks' he's a cleric.
If I wanted your blind, ignorant opinion I would have asked for it. This item has druid on it as a wearable class, and druids have JUST as much of a shot at it as you do. Now go heal the main tank while I keep the rest of the raid alive. You know, the REST of the raid? The folks who are actually doing the DPS? Feel free to keep the meat shield in place so the rest of US can finish the job. (This barb is intended for Tremaru, not GOOD clerics)
Your blatent greed and obvious lack of raw brain power do keep you at a disadvantage. Try to see how the WHOLE picture works, you worthless moron, and try to play well with others. (a skill you obviously didn't learn in grade school)(and before you attempt to flame me for not playing well with you, TRY to realize your stupidity belittles your entire class)
If I were to rate your post, I would require another catagory, something FAR below 'Brain Dead' and bordering on 'mostly decayed'.
Do you feel better for your post? Did it build up your self-worth? Now, go seek professional help. Oh, and by the way, IF you were in my guild you would NEVER recv a heal from me.
To all others who peruse this post seeking intelligent information, sorry to delay your research and waste your time with yet another post that doesn't contain critical info for you. Please resume your search and pay no attention to the fool who 'thinks' he's a cleric.
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I find it funny when people are talking about items like this... Clerics Clerics Clerics... yea the clerics need ft items for CHchain... Yea clerics need ft coz they are healers...
I play a Druid supprice, and on just about every raid the clerics laugh coz they have like 40+ mana left after the mob is dead, when they are in CHchain, coz while they aint casting their ch they are getting mana from the ft 10 items and c3+ ....
When a druid is casting their spam heals we dont use a chain, we just spam them... 500mana pr spam heal with what? 3sec pause...
imo. Druid / Cleric / Shamen, doesnt matter. all 3 classes can get everything out of this item.
Edited, Fri Aug 1 06:10:50 2003
I play a Druid supprice, and on just about every raid the clerics laugh coz they have like 40+ mana left after the mob is dead, when they are in CHchain, coz while they aint casting their ch they are getting mana from the ft 10 items and c3+ ....
When a druid is casting their spam heals we dont use a chain, we just spam them... 500mana pr spam heal with what? 3sec pause...
imo. Druid / Cleric / Shamen, doesnt matter. all 3 classes can get everything out of this item.
Edited, Fri Aug 1 06:10:50 2003
Ok first let me set the matter straight on druids and this BP. This is one of if not the best for a druid. Shamans and clerics can get better BP's. That said if you are in a good enough guild to be able to take this mob down then you know there is no use to arguing that this class deserves it over another. In *High End* (AKA 60+) guilds it has already been established on a point or merit system...whoever can afford it or deserves it on merit gets it. Also druid bashing from people who are level 50 and below should never happen and when it does should be ignored.
Ornelia Obredon
Storm Warden
Forbidden Faith Kane Bayle
Ornelia Obredon
Storm Warden
Forbidden Faith Kane Bayle
Ok first let me set the matter straight on druids and this BP. This is one of if not the best for a druid. Shamans and clerics can get better BP's. That said if you are in a good enough guild to be able to take this mob down then you know there is no use to arguing that this class deserves it over another. In *High End* (AKA 60+) guilds it has already been established on a point or merit system...whoever can afford it or deserves it on merit gets it. Also druid bashing from people who are level 50 and below should never happen and when it does should be ignored.
Ornelia Obredon
Storm Warden
Forbidden Faith Kane Bayle
Ornelia Obredon
Storm Warden
Forbidden Faith Kane Bayle
40 posts
This is a great BP. For any class that can use it. Who should this go to? Whoever it would benefit the most in my opinion? Depends really. A good guild/smart guild will work in outfitting their clerics in FT gear before others simply because a CH rotation can take a lot of mana, and without clerics having good FT then the guild will not be able to last the long fights. I would assume that by the time the guild was in Vex Thal that most of their clerics would have at least some decent FT. If not than they are seriously underequipped. Basically, whoever gets this, as long as they aren't being greedy over others who could use the FT more...deserves it.
Whoever said Druids heal as well as clerics...umm no. Clerics heal specifically. Druids do not heal as well as Clerics and I think you would be hard pressed to prove that.
Druids are not useless though. In my guild druids usually do rampage healing, spot healing, and are in the cleric channel to jump in for whatever reason. Druids are not Clerics and there CH is not very good. It gets the job done but is not ideal because it generates more aggro and does not completely heal. I won't debate but Druids are not as good as healers as clerics, but Druids are important to have on raids.
Whoever said Druids heal as well as clerics...umm no. Clerics heal specifically. Druids do not heal as well as Clerics and I think you would be hard pressed to prove that.
Druids are not useless though. In my guild druids usually do rampage healing, spot healing, and are in the cleric channel to jump in for whatever reason. Druids are not Clerics and there CH is not very good. It gets the job done but is not ideal because it generates more aggro and does not completely heal. I won't debate but Druids are not as good as healers as clerics, but Druids are important to have on raids.
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Posted: Apr 08 2003 at 5:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) holy crap i was a n00b ATT i posted this ;p
I dont care about the age of the posting this is a nice tunic and I can tell most of these posts people are in very low guild the caliber of the guilds that make it in VT are on the points system and the rolling is obsolete. there class specific bashing is uncalled for. it would go to the person that could afford the points. As far as druids go they useful and have thier place just like every class. For you see if they were not useful or even *stupid* as some has put it there would be no druids over 60 because they would never get a group. imo
27 posts
Druids, while they do have their place in groups, can solo throughout their entire career, FYI.
I should know, i have done it 8)
28 posts
Anyone debating on which class will or will not get items like this (cutting edge items), are obviously not in a position to ever see the item. Once you reach this level of achievement, items are awarded to players based on merit. The question of class is not relative. If your class can use the item, and you would like the item, then your chance of getting the item is directly related to your participation in guild functions.
Anyone who posts about which class will get what, is only showing the relative low level of play which they are used to experiencing.
Edited, Thu Jan 23 19:33:59 2003
Anyone who posts about which class will get what, is only showing the relative low level of play which they are used to experiencing.
Edited, Thu Jan 23 19:33:59 2003
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Lol most of the people post here and have no clue about high end game at all.We do vex thal alot,Emp,Hp ext.If your guild has any clue how to work raids your druids handle all of the cures,and all rampage tanks wich free up all clerics to insure you dont fail against any mobs
druids heal just as well as clerics and with aa ability's they group heal as well.as for damage lol we can nuke while controlling heals on rampage tanks so you tell me druid stacking dots for 4k and crit nuking for over 3k while healing rampage tanks i would say very valuable !! if this bp drops our druids have just as much a chance to get it as anyone else dkp point system and team work !!! haha emp,hp vex thal mobs are so easy for us i couldnt tell ya last time we lost more then 4 people on a raid other then people hitting through enrage or flipping mobs .
druids heal just as well as clerics and with aa ability's they group heal as well.as for damage lol we can nuke while controlling heals on rampage tanks so you tell me druid stacking dots for 4k and crit nuking for over 3k while healing rampage tanks i would say very valuable !! if this bp drops our druids have just as much a chance to get it as anyone else dkp point system and team work !!! haha emp,hp vex thal mobs are so easy for us i couldnt tell ya last time we lost more then 4 people on a raid other then people hitting through enrage or flipping mobs .
3 posts
A well deserving Shaman got this tonight! Lord Seru's is great for us Clerics. I would love this but can't agrue with the choice of Druid or Shaman.
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Posted: Jan 08 2003 at 1:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No, druids do not heal just as well as clerics. On your 9ish k tank...
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What about the fact that if a cleric lets a tank get under the last 10 % of the tank's HP, he/she is asking for trouble? 100 % heal is overkill, and I dont think that a level 65 warrior wants to be at -9 hp when the clerics heal spell finally fires...
You managed to misinterpret what he was trying to say, I think. His comment that druids heal as well as clerics was directed toward the situation he described, namely healing melees who suffer incidental damage from rampage and enrage, thus liberating the clerics from such tedium so they can focus on the CH chain.
How efficient is a cleric CH chain if the clerics have to stop to keep the non-Main Tank melees alive from time to time? A lot less than it otherwise would be. You have Druids, Shamen, and even the occasional Paladin to thank for that.
To borrow a football analogy, just remember that a good quarterback will be inefficacious if his offensive line fails to cover him. Clerics are not the be-all and end-all of raid healing, although many Clerics have deluded themselves into thinking that they are.
Edited, Tue Jan 14 07:37:45 2003
How efficient is a cleric CH chain if the clerics have to stop to keep the non-Main Tank melees alive from time to time? A lot less than it otherwise would be. You have Druids, Shamen, and even the occasional Paladin to thank for that.
To borrow a football analogy, just remember that a good quarterback will be inefficacious if his offensive line fails to cover him. Clerics are not the be-all and end-all of raid healing, although many Clerics have deluded themselves into thinking that they are.
Edited, Tue Jan 14 07:37:45 2003
Philip <Chill Mode VII>, Teek server, 60 monk
Axcellent <Chill Mode>, Vaniki server, 105 zerker
Rangerer <Scions of Time>, Agnarr server, 65 ranger
Lifegiver <Iratus Lepus>, retired
100 Druid, Xegony
Axcellent <Chill Mode>, Vaniki server, 105 zerker
Rangerer <Scions of Time>, Agnarr server, 65 ranger
Lifegiver <Iratus Lepus>, retired
100 Druid, Xegony
13 posts
Hi,
I laugh my *** off reading this stuff. "This class is better, that gets it, ..."
A load of bull all of it. It can be used by Cleric, Druid and Shaman. And its hell of a BP for each of them. Only a brainless dork says that some class that can use it wont get it. As for cleric meleeing... that the dumb cleric who get people killed all the time.
Druids are not useless on raids. They are actually very useful. As always, all classes are NEEDED on raids. And I'm talking about other than raiding Runnyeye. I'm talking about killing Emperor of Ssra, VT, ...
Most guilds that are truly succesful and do VT are on merit based system. Point based system sucks *** and hurts the guild.
Just my 2 druidish cp.
P.S. People have lots of opinions but.. if you're not in a guild that will do VT soon or is doing VT already... you're talking about things you dont know or understand. Sorry. :p
I laugh my *** off reading this stuff. "This class is better, that gets it, ..."
A load of bull all of it. It can be used by Cleric, Druid and Shaman. And its hell of a BP for each of them. Only a brainless dork says that some class that can use it wont get it. As for cleric meleeing... that the dumb cleric who get people killed all the time.
Druids are not useless on raids. They are actually very useful. As always, all classes are NEEDED on raids. And I'm talking about other than raiding Runnyeye. I'm talking about killing Emperor of Ssra, VT, ...
Most guilds that are truly succesful and do VT are on merit based system. Point based system sucks *** and hurts the guild.
Just my 2 druidish cp.
P.S. People have lots of opinions but.. if you're not in a guild that will do VT soon or is doing VT already... you're talking about things you dont know or understand. Sorry. :p
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