is this kind of thinking IMO that turns mains into cleric bots.

clerics can do just about anything but slow in a day to day exp group.

don't let anyone tell you anything else

yes, once you get the good summon hammer spells, OR if you have a nice wep, and your grp dosent need healing, go ahaid and nuke some, maybe hit it a few times.... what im talking about is the lvl 30 clerics, in echo caverns and such, who are using a blunt mace, hitting mobs for 1 dmg every 2 mins or so, and letting their grp die around them..... for the clerics who are keeping grp healed and meleing, good for you, adding dps along w/ doin ur job. Sry, this is what i meant, didnt come out right earlier

Personally I nuke or beat something every chance I get ;) Now here is the disclaimer... every chance I get = when everyone is over 90% health and is sticking there, or the mob is slowed enough where the tank only needs a hot. As for clerics meleeing in PC and such, they should probably quit working on 1hb & work on the main cleric stats. When I'm lfg or just feel like something chill I go melee lb's to death to work on my 2hb, or I go all out beating & nuking on db's. I'm not going to say that clerics should sit in their corner & heal and that's it, I just think that healing should be the #1 priority, with anything & everything else coming in a far 2nd.

After playing a cleric for 7 years, plus more in other games. NO!!! read into the class you playing twit. Cleric are "battle healers" thats why they are the only pure breed caster than can wear PLATE ARMOR!!! There are tanks that know, even in the 50's that a cleric can easily out damage a tank, and are to be feared when made properly.... If you think clerics are for only healing, get the hell out of the class, because you make the rest of us who CAN use the class look bad. Seriously you should read about the classes your playing, just just say "Oh, this looks interesting, lets try it." then come on here and tell us how to play our toons. My 58 cleric can do good dmg with a good mind buff. Dont tell my i can only heal, because my mana pool is far too big for that. the ONLY time this changes is in raids. Raids have mages and wizzys for a very good reason, and thats because thoes two can out damage anything from anywhere given the chance.

Well, there are two issues in this thread, that are being confused. The OP mentions dying while the cleric is meleeing.

That comes from the cleric's failure to heal, not from their meleeing.

Would it have been better if the cleric was sitting on a roboboar not healing?

Nope. You still would have died.

Now, if the content is so challenging that there is no time to melee, then the cleric just has to spam heals. If there is time to melee, it never hurts. Personally, I like meleeing with my Hammer of Holy Vengeance (not my normal weapon) because it procs a DD with a group heal recourse.

I would not plan on meleeing in a hard DoD arc mission, but if I am playing around in a less difficult zone, rock on.

If your tank has 15k hp and 2300 ac, you're not playing in the high end game. Fully raid buffed, I have over 14.7k hp and over 2600 ac and I am a cleric, and not even in a cutting edge guild.

RSS has not been "high end" for 2 years. I've played around in RSS with a necro tanking. Get a better example, before you start calling people idiots.

Edited, Jul 19th 2006 at 8:24pm EDT by xaanru

I'd like to stick in a comment about this thread..I am only slightly and i mean slightly ToB geared (boots, and 2x bracers) I tanked WoS yesterday..no the zone is hardly...hard anymore. I wasnt in an uber gr either it was me, 68 beastie, 65 chanter, 58 shammy, lvl 63 necro and 1 other non-level 70 i tanked pulled and healed. No one can say that we can not get up front and go head on with a mob..and yes we are usually in the back healing but some situations call for these things..just my 2cp

i tanked in rss the other day np on the way to do a sig turn in


battle clerics rule

;-)

I have played a cleric for almost 5 years. At times, trying to solo seemed impossible and very slow going. However, since they have uncapped bash, it is a wise and handy thing to apply your hammer and shield if your mana pool and group permits you to hammer away and for heaven sakes get bash skill up. You can never have enough people bashing a casting mob. At level 73, I was finally able to go out and solo some decent mobs (blue con) for loot. What is even more frightning for those of you whodoubt the cleric solo ability...all I have to say is sucks being the mobs I am looking at next. With the new melee spells cleric get, I can solo quite a few mobs at one time if and only if I have the right spell line mem'd. If the mobs catch you unprepaired no matter who you are, your gonna die. So know well what your going after and have a strategy in mind before trying to solo in any class. I love to take on mobs un-slowed, have my damage shield on and weapon with good proc and cast DA if health gets too low..and for the next 18 seconds as fast as they can swing, my shield is protecting me while I heal up and the DS is working its magic 680 lovely hp a hit on as many mobs as I care to have agro me. Have a AE stun memd..you will need to refresh your DS...peace!

-Furlong

I have a lvl 70 cleric, and I don't know how many times my best friend (a 67th warrior) has complained that I can deal more damage and melee crit better than him. I may have an aug that helps me crit, but that's not the point. I enjoy when I'm able to know that he can take a beating enough for me to heal and melee at the same time. I've become fairly good at it too.

For a long while, it was me strictly healing, and sometimes I wonder how I got to level 70 with that. But I do know a cleric who can tank MPG and WoS. So whoever says a cleric can't tank, is well out of their league here.

I nominate this for one of the dumbest things I have read on an EQ forum.