Is there a way around folks who wont wait for the warrior to taunt? Yes, don't group with folks who do that.

Some people do get impatient and don't wait for the assist. I basically remind them once to let me taunt first, jump their case if they do it a second time, and if they do it a third time I will not group with that person again.

and some people have hair trigers
and some people are tank want-to-bes

I assume you are using incite type disc, if so some folks see the mob move when incite lands and think you have broken mez and attack.

And some just can't resist the chance to show how uber they are and tank for a bit.

I wouldn't worrie about it too much, you are just starting to get to the lvl of mobs that groups actaully need a real tank for. As you gain level for the most part the problem will go away....however you will still have to deal with beast and othes who really wanted to be a tank, taking a few punches just to show they can. I say let them tank for a few sec no harm done

Yeah, that's it. We all suck.

Have you seen the success rate on blurs? 20%, 25%, 40%. Have you seen the mana it takes to cast it and the refresh time? Atrotious. Plus, you really can't tell when you actually do lose agro without either HoTT leadership ability or using /assist and retargeting... which defeats the purpose of saving time in the first place nevermind the mana. Counting on a chanter to remove his own agro from a mezzed mob is retarded.

Runes?! Are you insane? You really don't know what you are talking about. Once you are on the hate list, rune is insane agro, insane mana cost, and costs a peridot. Not much but it can add up quickly if you are the crowd control in an exp grind and are expected to keep yourself healed. Nevermind the cost, rune lets you take a few more hits at the cost of getting hit a few more times before the tank takes agro back. Pointless unless you cast while you aren't on anyone's hate list, and even then it is still costly.

Understand what you are talking about before you criticize, or go take up politics.

The bad part about letting other non tank class's wake them, is ussually chanter or cleric gets ate.

As for Memblur, I have a chanter, and although it seldom works, It can be usefull with major mobs, or when exact aggro chain needs to be made. It used to be used at times, for ensuring RT (Rampage Tank) Order was done precisely. These days, with mudflation of gear, and such, it's not as big of a deal. The spell itself isn't all that group friendly, as was pointed out, the refresh time sucks, Might as well let someone taunt three times as opposed to waiting for it to refresh. The Biggest reason however is simple. Chanter's don't have enough spell gems to keep it there, it's not an important enough spell to put in gem slot unless your with a bunch that don't know what they are doing. You need a slow, tash, Ruin, specialty slot (Debuffer, Cripple, etc.), Buff that leaves fast such as NDT,or even haste, A mana drain, then you have stuns, DD and DoT spells, that all help with group dps. I have different setup's for different zones. POI Dragon walk makes memm type spells very useful, but they aren't one of the best things a Chanter can have up in a good group.

Ruin will get you aggro if your Ruining the person that has the mobs attention, including yourself, however it don't seem to be that big of a problem. There are self ruins that don't cost Dot's, (Two, but on same line) and an AA ruin that stacks. The AA ruin is nice, cuz it's an instant Ruin, costing no mana.

When Chanter's are used in groups, people seem to be a bit lazy, and don't care if they get an add or two. This also effects the chanter's spell setup. IF you have two incoming mobs, I have to mezz one, slow it (Remember this chanter's, make sure the one that's definately gonna hit you if mezz wear's is slow'd FIRST!), then slow the one everyone's fighting, debuff, etc, then remezz to ensure it don't fall too soon, back to the one everyone is fighting, and help out, back to your mezz'd one, awaiting tank to aggro it. If you cast Memm blur after it's already coming for you, you won't get him off you, but you will erase any hate anyone else has built up (Ex": Pally stuns mob right before you Memm, stun is alot faster then Memm, so happen's), the stun isn't remember'd, but you standing right where mob is looking will effect who he is going to hit.

Aye, you need to chew them out if they break mezz before you get aggro.

Edited, Sat Sep 3 19:11:39 2005 by Tawynia

Seems that most people here are blaming the casters for waking up mobs that are mezzed. It has been my experience that mostly dps such as Pali's, SK's or other dps hybrids tend to wake the mobs. Now I don't know if this is tank envy or what but being a cleric I know to target the chanter and get ready for a quick heal if there are mulitple people up there smacking at the mob. I also know not to group with a tank who refuses to taunt. Yes, there are actually those out there that don't taunt and those are usually the ones sitting by the soulbinder nekid hoping the cleric really did go link dead and is coming back.


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Also, taunt hardly ever works if your not in mellee range, or if back is to the mobs,etc. IF said mob comes in for group to kill, and tank hasn't been able to hit it yet, he has no chance of getting aggro if cleric heals, someone nukes, etc.. Till the Warrior is on top of the mob, or the KNight's use one of their spells to grab the mobs attention. IF your counting on Taunt to actually overcome anything that other's do, then your battling something that's been on Warrior's boards for year's. Taunt isn't "guarrenteed" to work, nor is it a guarrentee that you can sustain the aggro. Myself and Warriorjoe have found ourselves in groups where certain dps class's (Monk) hold aggro even with a "successful" taunt. Necrophobe posted a theory in which he thought that could be possible, which was some people can do just so much DPS a tick, that they actually get back on top of Hate list before mob is able to react to taunt. There is alot of debate over taunt, and how it works. On Warrior Boards, Taunt has been on the top 10 list more then a few times, as to a "FIX" to make it stronger, and work better against even cons' and higher.

Do not assume, that because a tank didn't get aggro, it means they did not try. If the Tank says they aren't taunting, that's one thing, if your Assuming he/she's not taunting, that would be a wrong assumption.