Greetings. I played EQ back in 1999. I played for roughly a year and quit finally with a level 50 Wizard. The game has evolved tremendously since then. The Ghoul Lord was the uber mob and the best item for a caster was a Staff of Writ and a Shimmering Orb.
I am currently forward deployed in the Arabian Gulf and a few of my buddies out here mentioned EQ and all the new content added. Needless to say I was interested and after reading tons of information on this game...it sounds and looks like one hell of a good time.
I plan on playing a Warrior this time around. I know some people are just casual gamers and others are hardcore. I need some advanced advice on exactly what race is the best overall warrior?
Is their a deity/faction combo that will make certain races gimp?
I was thinking of playing a Dark Elf Warrior who worships Rallos Zek ( is that possible? )and putting all my starting attributes into sta.This will give me high dex/agi/sta. Will this Race/Deity combo gimp me in the later levels ... say 55+? With all the godlike buffs other classes get, I cant see any race lacking in the warrior catagory. Like I said though, it has been a VERY long time since I have set foot in Norrath and I may be blind to something someone else with experience sees.
I know people are going to say play what you feel comfortable with, but I'd hate to put forth tons of time and energy into an Avatar and end up being useless later on in the game. Its a waste of time.
Thank you in advance for the posts...it may be awhile until I get back to a computer...out here in the desert, its a rare gift=) *salutes*
Varys Tyr'Vhen
Soon to be Warrior of an underpopulated server...if one exsists=)
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I started two years ago and things have progressed greatly! Looking at your combination, I tried Rallos Zek and wound up KOS in areas even though I was a human. As a dark elf it would seem to me to compouund the KOS problem. I can not see a benefit with that combination, but others of the dark races may have an idea that would enlighten me and you. There is a lot of controversy surrounding the warriors now and recent changes are still being tried out by the higer level warriors to give us a better idea of the drawbacks and benefits. Stay safe, have fun and enjoy.
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Thanks Idio and Xaanru.
Yes, I didnt have enough time to troll the boards yesterday and when I did today... it looked like this subject is topic of tons of debate.
Well, I plan to still be a Dark Elf warrior. The only thing that I saw was noteworthy of a second look was the Ogres frontal immunity to stuns. Im not quite sure how many times a tank gets stunned? Do the harder mobs hit/stun alot?
When I played, I was a DE then also. Faction/KOS didnt matter that much back then either. I was just afraid that it had changed since then. Im not to worried about being KOS to cities I will most likely never enter.
Once again, thank you and take it easy.
Varys Tyr'Vhen
Yes, I didnt have enough time to troll the boards yesterday and when I did today... it looked like this subject is topic of tons of debate.
Well, I plan to still be a Dark Elf warrior. The only thing that I saw was noteworthy of a second look was the Ogres frontal immunity to stuns. Im not quite sure how many times a tank gets stunned? Do the harder mobs hit/stun alot?
When I played, I was a DE then also. Faction/KOS didnt matter that much back then either. I was just afraid that it had changed since then. Im not to worried about being KOS to cities I will most likely never enter.
Once again, thank you and take it easy.
Varys Tyr'Vhen
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I currently have a 51 Froggy War. You get stunned maybe once or twice a fight and I have never seen any agro problems because of this. You have the new dot taunt plus by the time you get bigger you can have up to 4 procs on your weapons that should be able to build you significant agro. Stuns suck but last very shortly and the only time I even notice them is when I'm trying to kick or bash and I can't. (ghetto bashing with dual wield is awsome :)
Personally I believe Barbarians make the best warriors.
Here is why.
1. Size does matter.
Being able to slam and thus interupt casting can save the party. By stopping the mob from gatting, casting greater heal, or that warrior killing dd. Sure at the end you can stun with kick, but what about the fist 60 lvl or so?
Ok so in the end any race with uber buffs and uber equipment can max out the key melee stats. But here again what about the first 60 lvl or so? In most pick up groups the large race warrior will have better stats than small race warrior. This is as true at lvl 65 as it is at lvl 10. Why? Because most pick up groups can not max out all stats of a warrior. On raids the differance is much less do to the better buffing.
2. Fac can be a factor
For a new player the ability to sell near where one is hunting can have a major impact in their ability to generate plat. Of all the big races Barbarians can sell in the most location.
3. Damage
Large races out damage other races, this is because they have higher str and thus hit more often and for more damage.
In the end the large race warriors are trying to be the best they can be, all others are tring to be as good as the large reace warriors.
Here is why.
1. Size does matter.
Being able to slam and thus interupt casting can save the party. By stopping the mob from gatting, casting greater heal, or that warrior killing dd. Sure at the end you can stun with kick, but what about the fist 60 lvl or so?
Ok so in the end any race with uber buffs and uber equipment can max out the key melee stats. But here again what about the first 60 lvl or so? In most pick up groups the large race warrior will have better stats than small race warrior. This is as true at lvl 65 as it is at lvl 10. Why? Because most pick up groups can not max out all stats of a warrior. On raids the differance is much less do to the better buffing.
2. Fac can be a factor
For a new player the ability to sell near where one is hunting can have a major impact in their ability to generate plat. Of all the big races Barbarians can sell in the most location.
3. Damage
Large races out damage other races, this is because they have higher str and thus hit more often and for more damage.
In the end the large race warriors are trying to be the best they can be, all others are tring to be as good as the large reace warriors.
Ok first, faction. Really not that big a deal anymore. On luclin and in later expansions, pretty much nobody is KOS. No matter what race/deity combo you pick, you will have places to shop, and safely level. Rallos zek is a good pick, as there is a set of very nice midlevel armor called Fierce heraldic, that is only wearable by RZ worshippers, and is better than most midlevel cultural armor. Also, you start Non_KoS in Kael, since giants like RZ also.
Second, race. There are hundreds of threads on many different message boards, arguing the merits of different races. the bottom line is, any race/deity combo can be a main tank, with the right gear, and almost any shortcoming can be made up for eventually with gear and AA.
Large races get slam, DE doesn't, but you will eventually be able to stun with kick. Large races also cause targetting problems on smaller mobs, as well as Line of sight problems for rangers, unless they get shrunk.
Iksar get better HP regen, and higher AC bonus, but mid level armors are more limited, and they have the biggest exp penalty in the game (slower levelling). They also get 100 swim to start with, and decent night vision.
Ogres are not stunnable from the front. While I personally have yet to see a raid wipe due to the tank being stunned, I suppose it is possible, and probably has happened. Ogres also have exp penalty.
Trolls, have good regen and starting stats. Also get exp penalty.
Humans, no real advantages, except for faction. KOS in the fewest places. No exp penalty, no night vision either.
Erudite, like humans, but see at night, and lower stregth and sta.
DE, best night vision, no exp penalty. Rarely played combo, so you will be one of a few.
Halfling, gets exp bonus, never needs to be shrunk. however, often needs to be grown.
Wood elf/half elf, some night vision, no exp penalty. But, you'll get a lot of requests for SoW, as most melee of these races are rangers.
Vah shir, pretty good, well balanced starting stats, large race so gets slam, not evil so not KOS most places, not sure on night vision. No cultural armor, and no deities, so the fierce heraldic is not an option for midlevel armor.
Second, race. There are hundreds of threads on many different message boards, arguing the merits of different races. the bottom line is, any race/deity combo can be a main tank, with the right gear, and almost any shortcoming can be made up for eventually with gear and AA.
Large races get slam, DE doesn't, but you will eventually be able to stun with kick. Large races also cause targetting problems on smaller mobs, as well as Line of sight problems for rangers, unless they get shrunk.
Iksar get better HP regen, and higher AC bonus, but mid level armors are more limited, and they have the biggest exp penalty in the game (slower levelling). They also get 100 swim to start with, and decent night vision.
Ogres are not stunnable from the front. While I personally have yet to see a raid wipe due to the tank being stunned, I suppose it is possible, and probably has happened. Ogres also have exp penalty.
Trolls, have good regen and starting stats. Also get exp penalty.
Humans, no real advantages, except for faction. KOS in the fewest places. No exp penalty, no night vision either.
Erudite, like humans, but see at night, and lower stregth and sta.
DE, best night vision, no exp penalty. Rarely played combo, so you will be one of a few.
Halfling, gets exp bonus, never needs to be shrunk. however, often needs to be grown.
Wood elf/half elf, some night vision, no exp penalty. But, you'll get a lot of requests for SoW, as most melee of these races are rangers.
Vah shir, pretty good, well balanced starting stats, large race so gets slam, not evil so not KOS most places, not sure on night vision. No cultural armor, and no deities, so the fierce heraldic is not an option for midlevel armor.
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First off, thank you for your service to our country. You are already a warrior of the highest level and esteem.
I am a newb to the game ( 4 months ), and have a lvl 26 warrior. I have learned one thing, hp/ac is most important for warrior. I played Diablo 2 for years and got used to high dmage on weps, and maxing out certain stats, so not having maxed dex and agility on a warrior was odd to me. I initially bought gear based on stats like dex, and then switched to hp/ac gear and it was amazing how much better I could fulfill my role as tank and aggro keeper. I relished standing in the midst of a train in MM while the others got safely to the zone, then I could make my escape, and the whole party would still be alive. A few times I was able to call the other melees back and finish off 2 or three mobs they were sure were about to kill the whole grp. What an amazing feeling after playing a caster and dying at the slightest hint of aggro, lol.
Secondly, speed is more important, up to a point than damage, with your weapon. More hits, more procs = more damage and holding aggro.
Thirdly, I love Dark Elves as a race, but I just don't think they will be the best choice in the end. I, like you am very interested in the end of the game, not just leveling till 30 then making a new character. My warrior is a barb, and he is already getting stunned regularly during combat. And I have watched others play in lvl 65 raids etc, and I am deathly afraid of being stunned repeatedly, something I saw regularly during high lvl play. I am wondering if I see so many ogre warriors and few barbs because they cannot be stunned from the front. Normally I would say play what you want, but in this case I think at higher lvls this is a big consideration. Having said that, am I right? Do I need to delete my beloved barb warrior, and start over with an ogre, or will he be ok at higher lvls? Is one of the stats related to being stunned? Please feel free to offer any suggestions.
I am a newb to the game ( 4 months ), and have a lvl 26 warrior. I have learned one thing, hp/ac is most important for warrior. I played Diablo 2 for years and got used to high dmage on weps, and maxing out certain stats, so not having maxed dex and agility on a warrior was odd to me. I initially bought gear based on stats like dex, and then switched to hp/ac gear and it was amazing how much better I could fulfill my role as tank and aggro keeper. I relished standing in the midst of a train in MM while the others got safely to the zone, then I could make my escape, and the whole party would still be alive. A few times I was able to call the other melees back and finish off 2 or three mobs they were sure were about to kill the whole grp. What an amazing feeling after playing a caster and dying at the slightest hint of aggro, lol.
Secondly, speed is more important, up to a point than damage, with your weapon. More hits, more procs = more damage and holding aggro.
Thirdly, I love Dark Elves as a race, but I just don't think they will be the best choice in the end. I, like you am very interested in the end of the game, not just leveling till 30 then making a new character. My warrior is a barb, and he is already getting stunned regularly during combat. And I have watched others play in lvl 65 raids etc, and I am deathly afraid of being stunned repeatedly, something I saw regularly during high lvl play. I am wondering if I see so many ogre warriors and few barbs because they cannot be stunned from the front. Normally I would say play what you want, but in this case I think at higher lvls this is a big consideration. Having said that, am I right? Do I need to delete my beloved barb warrior, and start over with an ogre, or will he be ok at higher lvls? Is one of the stats related to being stunned? Please feel free to offer any suggestions.
I think the first question you need to answer is What are the odds that you will ever end up as the Main Tank in a raid guild?
They are not very good at all. Some of the raid guild I know often have more people show up than can join the raid. Of those 70 (i forget the number) or so who can go on the raid There is one or two or three tanks who will actually fight the mob.
Who are these uber tanks?
Normally they play EQ several hours a day and have 200 or so aa points and have spent any number of DKP obtaining gear that put them two leagues above you. Now if you have the time, the comitment and the desire to knock this guy out of the Main tanks slot, more powere to you, just remember that it might take you 6 months to a year after you ding 65 to get to where he is now.
Ok so maybe you don't end up as the main tank in a raid guild. The rest of the end game right now consistes of GoD, Hard LDoN, PoP zones like BoT, Old raid zones, and normal LDoN.
For LDoN, and PoP zones just about any lvl 65 warrior can be a good tanks. And most will do well as a MT in the older raid zones.
To tank a Hard LDoN most groups want you to have 7k+ hps. You should know that there is no gerente that there will be a shaman in the group. Before the recent changes most groups wanted near 8k or better hps for a GoD main tank. Planer raids and high end SoL raids want even more. However you can count on a full set of buffs on these kinds of raids.
Ok so lets say that you need at least 7k hps to be considerd a good end game tank. What will it take to get there?
Depending on buffs my lvl 65 barbarian warriors has between 6.8k hbs and 7.3k hps. Unbuff his sta is 238. Gear wise he has 4 pices of armor from EF LDoN, the rest being from raid and of about the same quality. To get his hps higher I'm currently working on buying hp aguments.
Most of his time is spent doing LDoN and hard LDoN. He also tanks on about one raid a week (nonPlaner). And will from time to time get over to a GoD zone.
Another thing to remember, if you are not a large race you can ods are you will need at least shaman buffs to max out your sta.
What does all this mean as far as race and end of game go? It means that large races are more likly to have the hps needed to be accepted as a MT in a Hard LDoN or GoD or high end raid.
GoD and Hard LDoN.
However with more AA and more aguments smaller races can get to where they need to be.
They are not very good at all. Some of the raid guild I know often have more people show up than can join the raid. Of those 70 (i forget the number) or so who can go on the raid There is one or two or three tanks who will actually fight the mob.
Who are these uber tanks?
Normally they play EQ several hours a day and have 200 or so aa points and have spent any number of DKP obtaining gear that put them two leagues above you. Now if you have the time, the comitment and the desire to knock this guy out of the Main tanks slot, more powere to you, just remember that it might take you 6 months to a year after you ding 65 to get to where he is now.
Ok so maybe you don't end up as the main tank in a raid guild. The rest of the end game right now consistes of GoD, Hard LDoN, PoP zones like BoT, Old raid zones, and normal LDoN.
For LDoN, and PoP zones just about any lvl 65 warrior can be a good tanks. And most will do well as a MT in the older raid zones.
To tank a Hard LDoN most groups want you to have 7k+ hps. You should know that there is no gerente that there will be a shaman in the group. Before the recent changes most groups wanted near 8k or better hps for a GoD main tank. Planer raids and high end SoL raids want even more. However you can count on a full set of buffs on these kinds of raids.
Ok so lets say that you need at least 7k hps to be considerd a good end game tank. What will it take to get there?
Depending on buffs my lvl 65 barbarian warriors has between 6.8k hbs and 7.3k hps. Unbuff his sta is 238. Gear wise he has 4 pices of armor from EF LDoN, the rest being from raid and of about the same quality. To get his hps higher I'm currently working on buying hp aguments.
Most of his time is spent doing LDoN and hard LDoN. He also tanks on about one raid a week (nonPlaner). And will from time to time get over to a GoD zone.
Another thing to remember, if you are not a large race you can ods are you will need at least shaman buffs to max out your sta.
What does all this mean as far as race and end of game go? It means that large races are more likly to have the hps needed to be accepted as a MT in a Hard LDoN or GoD or high end raid.
GoD and Hard LDoN.
However with more AA and more aguments smaller races can get to where they need to be.
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What about dwarves???
I thought they got a str and sta bonus too...
I notice on one has said anything about them at all...
Personally they are my favorite class.
No one seems to have a problem with my being main tank ever.
Oh well, maybe its just me..
: )
I thought they got a str and sta bonus too...
I notice on one has said anything about them at all...
Personally they are my favorite class.
No one seems to have a problem with my being main tank ever.
Oh well, maybe its just me..
: )
the "large" races are the best for warrior, ogre, dwarf, kitties, troll, and barbarian. doesn't realy matter though i got to 51 as human warr and i'm planning on starting over as a wood elf one..its all about the gear
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the "large" races are the best for warrior, ogre, dwarf, kitties, troll, and barbarian.
Dwarf is a small race.
I agree with the last part of your statement. Race doesn't matter. Warriors are very gear dependent, and a gnome with good gear will outtank an Ogre with bad gear.
Once you have PoP or better gear, race is pretty much just a matter of preference.
Upper lvls, it really doesnt matter what race you are. Things to note though.
Ogre frontal stun immunity does make a big difference. If u can get bash stunned by a melee in a duel, just imagine NPC mobs stunning u when ur not jousting (namely GoD mobs and PoF/PoE). Exp penalty is 15% for ogres. Stalwert endurance greatly reduces the stun (from all angles) that is available to any War.
Iksars have the best damage mitigation of all the races. Inate AC bonus and regen does make a difference. Exp penalty is 20%, same as Trolls.
I dont like trolls because I feel they have been screwed exp penalty wise.
Large races get slam (Troll, Ogre and Barbarian). It does make a difference. 2h slam is an AA u can get later lvls that can make up for this tho.
Vah Shir safe fall is useful, as is DE hide. Gnome tinkering can make u decent plat.
Ogre frontal stun immunity does make a big difference. If u can get bash stunned by a melee in a duel, just imagine NPC mobs stunning u when ur not jousting (namely GoD mobs and PoF/PoE). Exp penalty is 15% for ogres. Stalwert endurance greatly reduces the stun (from all angles) that is available to any War.
Iksars have the best damage mitigation of all the races. Inate AC bonus and regen does make a difference. Exp penalty is 20%, same as Trolls.
I dont like trolls because I feel they have been screwed exp penalty wise.
Large races get slam (Troll, Ogre and Barbarian). It does make a difference. 2h slam is an AA u can get later lvls that can make up for this tho.
Vah Shir safe fall is useful, as is DE hide. Gnome tinkering can make u decent plat.
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Talking about gear being so important? Nobody has mentioned how hard it is for a warrior to accumulate wealth without help? A good guild is a MUST for a warrior with no platinum generating alts.
IMHO, race is largely irrelavant once you get somewhere between lvl 15-25 (earlier if the toon is heavily twinked). If you are doing things right, you should largely be able to mitigate the effects of start stats. There will still be some differences up until the 40's, but a well played toon will usually overcome any problems.
Edited, Thu Jul 22 23:53:44 2004 by dfrnchman
Edited, Thu Jul 22 23:53:44 2004 by dfrnchman
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Hey Xaanru, you mentioned the Erudites but they can't be warriors :) They can only be sks and palys and other pure casters. I play a DE war on fenro, I can't say much cause I'm only lvl 25 and pretty new but I'm learning alot. As a DE I have high int so my weapon and battle skills go up quick. I hear alot of other races complaining about thier skills not going up, so I assume this is because of int. Other than that, we have low str, my base str was like 70, its now 101 though with some new gear that I got. But you'll be encumbered alot so you won't be able to carry much loot on you.
As for which race to choose, well I think either Barbarians, Dwarfes, Ogres or Trolls would be a good first choise, they have very high Sta and Str. Ogres and Trolls are evil and have exp penalties and are kos in many places, I don't thik we Teir'Dals get exp penalties though. Don't know about the other races cause I haven't checked them out yet. I am evil but I'm not kos in freeport, and I've killed orcs so I'm ok in north freeport also. My warrior follows Rallos Zek. There's nothing wrong with being a Dark Elf though, I'm one and I like it :)
As for which race to choose, well I think either Barbarians, Dwarfes, Ogres or Trolls would be a good first choise, they have very high Sta and Str. Ogres and Trolls are evil and have exp penalties and are kos in many places, I don't thik we Teir'Dals get exp penalties though. Don't know about the other races cause I haven't checked them out yet. I am evil but I'm not kos in freeport, and I've killed orcs so I'm ok in north freeport also. My warrior follows Rallos Zek. There's nothing wrong with being a Dark Elf though, I'm one and I like it :)
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