My Response to 48 Hours

Last Friday, the CBS News Magazine 48 Hours broadcast a story about Everquest as part of a show about addiction. This broadcast showed such a serious lack of journalistic integrity and left so many questions unanswered that I feel compelled to respond. Clearly, in this case true journalism was set aside, and CBS instead came up with what they thought was a juicy premise and then manufactured the facts to fit, purposefully ignoring the multitude of other facts that repudiated their predetermined storyline. In doing so, they insulted and belittled the hundreds of thousands of us who play and enjoy online games and have no difficulty integrating our hobby into our regular daily lives. (I’m including the DAoC site in this editorial because there is no doubt that had they focused on that game, their premise would have remained the same). The title of their show was “Addiction”, so let me start with the word itself. All too often our media adopts a viable scientific or medical term and warps it far beyond its original meaning to the point where the term loses all actual meaning. Addiction is one of those terms. I am sorry, but Everquest is not addictive. Neither is eating, working, having sex, or any of the myriad other activities our press loves to call addictive. To call Everquest addictive is an insult to the many people out there who are struggling to overcome the many serious and valid debilitating addictions in our world. An addictive substance is something you need, not want, and no matter how you look at it, nobody needs to play Everquest. Playing Everquest is definitely a lot of fun, and some may prefer playing it to doing any of the other activities life may offer, even to the point of ignoring things society deems important. This is not an addiction, but rather a lack of self control. A man sweating with the anguish of withdrawal from his normal dose of heroin is addicted and in need to help to kick his habit. His body needs that heroin. A man who plays Everquest to the point where he ignores his family, job and life is simply out of control. He may want to keep playing the game, but he does not need it. There is a difference. CBS’s premise that this is some sort of evil game that sucks the mind out of its players and causes them to lose control of their lives is simply ridiculous. If someone loses control of his life, it is likely that he would have found some other way to do it even if he did not find Everquest. It makes for a juicy headline, but really is tabloid journalism at its worst. Even more tabloid journalism was the presentation itself. Is there any doubt that 48 Hours interviewed hundreds of people and kept rejecting person after person for being too normal or because the game did not have any negative impact on their lives before picking their eventual subjects? Even the player they eventually did decide to film hardly supported their premise, although they used every trick in their book to make it seem that he did. It’s obvious they had no intention of presenting an unbiased article and routinely rejected anything that contradicted the story they wanted to make. They instead wanted to shock the viewer and make him believe that there are hundreds of thousands of mentally unstable gaming addicts playing this online video game who are probably just steps away from killing themselves and who knows how many others. Obviously the CBS motto is to never let the facts get in the way of a good story. The player they finally chose to interview was a doctor who played Everquest about 20 hours a week. He seemed to be a fairly normal person with a normal family life. They obviously chose him because his wife complained that she wished that he spent less time playing Everquest and more time with his family. The implication was clear that this was an otherwise good and normal man hopelessly corrupted by this evil game. Funny, but I saw something else. Here is a man who manages to hold down a high pressure job, is a loving husband, properly raises his children and provides for his family. Yet CBS wants to excoriate him for stealing 20 hours a week of private time for himself, because he does it playing a video game and, quite frankly, they think that’s weird. They showed him sitting there fighting something in the game and then zoomed in to the reporter so that she could arch her eyebrows and look properly horrified that anyone would be silly enough to waste his time on something like that. “Look”, she said, “he even has trouble looking away from the screen when I’m talking to him”. Oh if only he hadn’t met this evil game, he would surely be the perfect husband and father. Let me add something up here. CBS sports is a very profitable part of their network. Watching two Sunday NFL games takes a good 7 hours. A single college game on Saturday is another 3 ½ hours and there are games on all day long. Add in a couple baseball, basketball or hockey games during the week and you can easily add up to 20 hours watching sports on TV for just your average sports fan. A dedicated sports fan would of course go much higher than that. I’m guessing if that was his hobby, 48 Hours would have never come knocking at his door. “Man ignores family to watch football” does not make as tantalizing a headline as “Man becomes addicted to evil video game”. I don’t see CBS urging their sports division to put a warning label at the bottom of every football game warning that watching sports can be addictive and cause you to spend time away from your family. His wife should be glad he is not going out to the bars every night with his friends like many other men and women and that he instead found a way to blow off steam that keeps him at home and available when she needs him and that comes at a relatively small cost. She was never asked, but would any of us be surprised to find out that the wife who is complaining so much about her husband’s game playing spends far more than 20 hours a week watching television or shopping. I would think just about anyone spends at least 20 hours a week on personal projects and hobbies. Playing golf, sports, television, reading, and shopping are a few obvious examples of activities people spend long hours at, but there are plenty of others. Of course that wouldn’t fit into CBS’s concept for the show, so those facts simply got ignored. Besides, they want to make him look weird, not normal, and pointing that out would simply remind people that this isn’t really all that odd after all. He’s playing a video game, so there must be something wrong with him. This is after all a tabloid and not a real news show. 48 Hours also interviewed Ben Stein about his son’s Everquest playing. I guess this was to show that even pseudo-celebrities like him are not immune to this scourge. (If they wanted to interview a celebrity, why not a real one who actually plays Everquest like Curt Schilling? – Oh yeah, Curt would have told them they were full of it and blown a hole in their whole false and demeaning premise). Am I the only one struck by Mr. Stein’s method of stopping his son from playing EQ? He sent him off to a boarding school where, according to Mr. Stein, they did not allow games like that to be played. After a stint of time away from Everquest, and not coincidentally away from his parents, he was suddenly cured. (and I’m glad we were spared the manufactured scenes of his son lying in bed at the boarding house, body shaking and sweating profusely, and mewing pitifully about “just one more orc, please just one more”). Well, Ben, why didn’t you just not allow those games at your house? If your son is playing video games to what you consider an excess, maybe you should just put your foot down and pull the plug on his computer. If he instead spent his time downloading online porn, would you have let him do that for a while until you finally threw up your hands and sent him off to a porn-free school somewhere? Who is the problem here? The teenager who plays a game to excess, or for that matter does anything to excess, or the parent who allows it? Sorry Ben, but don’t blame the manufacturer of a game for your bad parenting. Finally, there is poor Mrs. Woolley. It must be terrible to lose a son, and we all feel sympathy for her. But eventually she is going to have to face up to the fact that Everquest did not have anything to do with it. Shawn was a troubled and mentally disturbed child and had been so for all of his life. Something was bound to set him off eventually. Maybe it was indeed something that happened to him in the game. Everquest is after all populated with real people, and the inability to interact with people seemed to be at the root of his mental illness. It really could have been just about anything that brought about his suicide. The unfortunate fact in life is that sometimes bad things happen and there’s not much we can do about it. Blaming Everquest for her son’s death probably makes Mrs. Woolley feel better and gives her an outlet for her grief, and you know what? I really have no problem with that. Let her deal with her grief in whatever manner she wishes. What is wrong is for a news outlet like CBS to exploit her grief for the sake of their ratings. And make no mistake that this is pure exploitation on their part. “Satanic Video game convinces man to commit suicide” was just too good a headline for them to resist. The tabloid journalists who make up the 48 Hours staff must have truly started salivating when they thought that one up. So they hauled their cameras into that poor woman’s living room and helped feed her delusion so that they could broadcast it to the rest of the world and sell a lot of commercials. Frankly, this part makes me sicker than any other part of their story. Manufacturing facts to make up a false story you hope will bring big ratings makes you a poor journalist, but exploiting a mother’s suffering and grief from the death of her son for those ratings makes you a poor human being. The journalists who made their trek to the Woolley residence to get their juicy video game murder story were simply parasites feeding on that poor woman’s grief and delusions. I’d like to think that Susan Spencer, the journalist who did this story, has a little more trouble sleeping a night because of her actions, but unfortunately I doubt it bothers her in the least. It is sad to see that the network of the great Walter Cronkite has sunk to such depths. I had always thought journalism was about facts first and story second. Yet CBS managed to do an entire story on the supposedly addictive and evil nature of this game without displaying a single fact to prove it and by ignoring the many facts that disprove it. In the end they made fun of something they know nothing about, exploited something that should be pitied instead, and succeeded in nothing more than insulting the hundreds of thousands of people who consider playing Everquest and other video games a normal, healthy and enjoyable part of their lives. For what it’s worth, they also lost my respect and viewer ship. If you wish to contact CBS about this show, here is the contact information: 48 Hours 524 West 57th St. New York, NY 10019 E-MAIL: 48hours@cbsnews.com. PHONE: (212) 975-3247
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Geraldo vs. D&D
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
OMG! I just can't win. I played D&D around the time the media, and especially Geraldo, was bashing Dungeons & Dragons. Now the media is bashing my current passion. I guess they have to have something to talk about. Can you imagine the pleasure I felt when Geraldo's nose was broken by the KKK guy? Funny, I don't remember a roleplayer bashing his nose.
#REDACTED, Posted: Oct 21 2002 at 3:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I could not agree more with allakhazam on this post CBS is a libral media just like most news media Shawn the guy the killed him self played EQ on the Rathe server the server i play on. Now some of my EQ friends said the new him that he was a nice guy allways helping peeps ect. To say that this guy killed him self over this game is 100% false this game is not addictive for 1 should know i have played EQ for 2 years i have a lvl 53 shadow knight on the rathe server sure i play this game ever chanse i get but it is not additive i know i quit EQ for 6 months back in the year 2000 i was 35 at that time my gear was so so and it seemed i would never get to 60 much less 50 so i stopped playing. If this game is that addictive i couldnt have stopped playing but i did, some say addiction is a part of the mind but it is all how weak u are the weak minded always fall first. sure drugs are addictive they control the mind and increase the flow of certain fluids to the brain making it a "high" and quiting can be difficult but as a person that has played Everquest as long as i have and have had 1st hand data about this guy from my EQ wife and her friends this guy must have had other probs beside i know for a fact that he was suffering from depression did CBS mention that NOOOOOO! they would never do that, that might blow there whole evil online game theory out of the water. The idea of a man or women coming home and playing eq for 20 hours a week is not that long at all that is 4 hours a day NOT ENCLUDING WEEKENDS i know i spend more than that a week playing. For the media to report this way sickens me i say F#ck em if they ever played EQ for 20 hours a week they would enjoy it just like the rest of us who log on and spend time to lvl are char from 1 - 65 this game will always live on not threw addiction but threw the "FUN" of the game.
We're just like any other community.
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
Now forgive me if I'm restating any point made above, but I would like to point out a few things that I've inferred from reading Allakhazam's editorial. (Top-notch job, btw!)
Many people believe there is a form of addiction that can be traced to the game. My parents believe I am an addict. It's downright offensive to be called addicted to anything, as I'm sure most will agree. But if it truly has addictive properties, certainly the people involved in the game would be more than willing to act as a 'support group' for any member within the Everquest community who feels as though his or her life is being altered in any way as a result of the game. I'm sure if Shawn Woolley had been open to people in the game about problems he was having related to his suicide, people would have been bending over backwards to help him. I've only been a member of the EQ world for a few months, but in that relatively short period of time I have seen unprecedented acts of good faith, kindness, and just plain good citizenship. Now as with any comparison, there's another end of the spectrum, but in my experience the latter is far outweighed by the charity of the gamers. But for now, I am standing strong behind my premise that more people are willing to help if one were to simply ask us. We're all here for you, and we're trying to reach a common goal. Level 60 :) Just kidding. If you have any questions, ask anyone. If they don't know, they most likely know someone who does. Maybe we've not met face to face, but we're friends. We can help each other out.


Ceias Wolfsong
Slayers of Oppression
Level 24 Druid - Brell
Surfer dude.
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:19 PM Rating: Default
Whats happening people!! salsa, aight watching part of that boring *** segement on CBS made me realize money really ******* curruptes people. NO doubt!!!, anyways i think allak has done a good job of expressing their opinion. Addiction they say? if they think playing a video game to chill is addicting well thats just pathetic.I know what addiction is watching my friend gunned down in front of me at hs parking lot wanted to kill myself thats bloody addicting give me a break you boozoos get a life CBS. Anywoo peace out my people, god bless.
EQ ADDICTION
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:18 PM Rating: Default
I will state my view point in the briefest terms I can. I was never much of a gamer. I do love chess and other role playing games because of the challenge. I was totaly enthralled at the dynamics of the game, it's versatility and creativity. EQ can be very habit forming, so can television and a host of other activities. It has it's pluses and it's draw backs. It is a catch 22 at times. How many times have you planned to play for a particular period of time and then got side tracked helping your group complete a final task, finding and/or waiting on a replacement, raid delays, not even mentioning the dreaded CR's that may take hours. Just finding a group can take you 20 to 40 minutes sometimes. Heck, my comp needs 10 minutes just to log on. LOL! Eq needs to keep it challenging and why not, we wouldn't do much of anything in life if we couldn't find a little challenge in it. We instinctively wonder whats around the next bend, behind the next door, or the next mob. However that does allow for alot of wasted time and at higher levels many classes cannot solo as readily and are dependent on groups. In the end, I find EQ to be by far more interactive than the vegitative state of television viewing. Realizing that I must prioritize and control and/or limit my playing to properly meet my RL needs and goals is my responsibility. But I do look forward to the opportunity for nice long stints of EQ adventure, especially when it is 0 degrees outside.

Happy Adventures
Brell Srvr
CBS News Stories and Forums....
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:16 PM Rating: Default
What is similar between the two...? The both Suck! I have tried 4 times to make a post on their forum in response to their bogus story and none of my posts ever show up...... let me guess... they screen those as well to make sure that only content they approve shows up.... bleh.

/target CBS
/gesture
RE: CBS News Stories and Forums....
# Oct 21 2002 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
I tried posting to their site as well, without success. 10 to 1, their forum server is backed up, or just plain hosed.

Use the Feedback link, and send them an email. It won't be seen publicly, but you'll still get your message across to the people reading the incoming email for 48 Hours. As previously stated, if CBS gets slammed by 100,000+ emails on their main server regarding their treatment of EQ, they'll take notice -- BELIEVE me -- they'll take plenty of notice. Especially their systems group.
Typical TV Ratings
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:14 PM Rating: Default
The guy who shot himself was unfortunate but does that mean Everquest was to blame? I doubt it.

1. Why does a person who is obviously unstable have a gun in his posession? Maybe his mom wanted him to blow his brains out in his next depressive mood?

2. Sure his computer was on Everquest but did you notice it was at the login screen and not actually in the game. Hmmm maybe mom logged into everquest as far as she could to try and blame the game? Seems if the guy had been on Everquest you woulda seen his character in some zone at his bind point naked or something and not just at the login screen. What was he thinking? I'm gonna log into eq? Nah lemme get my gun and blow my brains out.
Thanks for the Commentary
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:12 PM Rating: Default
I agree, we all can find 20 hours a week for a hobby, I used to weave, and I am a spinner, I would spend much of my day creating yarn, involved in fiber arts enthusiastically. Back then I was being creative, now I would be called an addict? I think you said it all well Alla.. my heartfelt sorrow to the family who lost one of their own to suicide, tragic indeed though I think his history of handicap was the root of it, not inspired by a game.

Shame on CBS for such exploitation using a heartsick mother for sensationalist ratings. Tsk. Tsk.

I play this game quite a bit but also understand when my priorities are real life and in fact am able to not play when things are getting to me.

Addicted?
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
There was a BBC documentary over here in the UK a couple of weeks ago about the drug Seroxate (I think its called Paxil in the US). In that the makers (Glaxo Smithkline Beecham) were criticised for stating in the literature that the drug ‘could not be addictive.’ One of the issues over which the BBC took them to task (and there were many) was that there are, allegedly, some serious withdrawal problems associated with the drug and it is necessary to go through a fairly stringent weaning off process, cutting out half a tablet a week over a period of several months.

Although the makers did not deny this issue, they stated that for a drug to be considered clinical addictive it must create a craving and over time more drug needs to be taken in order to achieve the same result, neither of which was the case. Under UK law they may be right, but from reading that simple sentence ‘this drug can not be addictive’ no one would anticipate such serious withdrawal problems, and all the experts seemed to agree that going cold turkey was not a good idea.

IMHO, the BBC probably got it right by, but having just watched the 48Hrs from the link below, I think CBS have taken the definition of addiction to the far extreme.

I agree without reservation to the original post.

EQ vs CBS a new war?
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
It seems that the attack CBS has waged on EverQuest and its players is part of an ongiong battle between the press, and anything based in fantasy. How many of us remember back when D&D was "satanic"? Geez, even rock & roll was "evil". Both D&D and rock music have been blamed for the suicides and other tragedies that befell individuals who enjoyed those diversions.

As for addiction, anything can become addictive (psychological addiction is just as real as physical addiction) to people who have what psychologists now call "addictive personalities". There will always be people who just take things too seriously, and the line between fantasy and reality blurs for them. Most people, however, have no trouble pulling themselves away from an enjoyable activity when they need to, and don't allow these potentially addictive activities to effect their real lives. For many of the people who use music, video games, television, or other forms of entertainment, these things are in fact a healthy break from the stress of every day (RL) stress. After all, isn't that the intention of any recreational activity or form of entertainment?

For some, interactive online games even offer a social opportunity that they might not ordinarily have. For instance... I was a single mother who couldn't find a reliable babysitter, and had no interest in going to parties or bars anyway. Television generally bores or offends me, so EverQuest became a wonderful chance to socialize with other adults without paying a babysitter, leaving my children in the evenings, and without commercials. I even met my real life husband while playing EQ. We lived in different states, but were able to talk, and get to know each other fairly well while unwinding from our real world stress in our fantasy world game. We are now very happily married, have real life friends, family, and activities. Now we share EQ and RL adventures. Obviously, for us, EverQuest has enhanced, though not taken over, our lives.

Sanori
Shaman of 54 Winters
Erollisi Marr Server
Look at skrathee's post
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:04 PM Rating: Default
look down at skrathee's post he knew the guy that killed him self oh yea CBS sux balls

35 ikky monk
>(Tunare server)<
Addiction?
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:04 PM Rating: Default
I really got a kick out of the 48hours report.. infact i laughed my butt off (cept for the kid killin himself).. i have been playin on and off for 3 years.. and ill have to admit i played more than my fair share the first year.. however this addiction stuff is way outta line.. at now time did i ever feel i HAD to get on.. i am a smoker also.. and i know there is a big difference between me Needin my smokes as to playin EQ.. for instance.. if i run outta smokes while playin EQ i dont care if im sittin in front of naggy or about to zone into VP.. im runnin to the store to get my smokes~!! see.. thats an addiction :) EQ isnt an addiction.. i get on EQ for a while.. and log off when i get bored.. sure i may stay on a tad longer if im on a raid.. but thats not wantin to ***** over my peeps in game... not me fulfilling my addiction.. i think if you stay on EQ when its no longer fun then you have issues.. if ya really gotta get off just do /q.. an they think you went LD :)

thats my banter :)
Goolie/Falia/Jahpetto Xegony server.. /q
Nice job Allakhazam
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
I also e-mailed CB$, and I'm so proud of myself. I didn't curse (no point in it), I didn't rant (blood pressure is up however). Well I did say shame on CB$ and shame on Susan Spencer. I also want to say after reading all these posts how proud I am of our EQ community. Rock on folks.
Rontou
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:03 PM Rating: Default
People have always been afraid of what they don't understand. In this case, EQ not a perplexing enigma. It is something CBS decided to do a detailed report on w/o going into detail at all. They obviously don't know much about EQ/were too busy with their "normal" lives to research something so "weird".

Yet they still felt compelled to do a report with an interveiw on a game they knew nothing about and insult something that they couldn'nt understand.

Pathetic.
RE: I'an an addict
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:02 PM Rating: Default
This come to show you all that Dis-information for profit is acceptable even throught the media. Only God knows how much more BS is out there in many other subjects... be carefull what you hear and listen to over the media... It could be very very missleading in content or just driven by proffit... I rest my case...

Good job on your response allakhazam to this so called Investigative Reporting.... I hope it clears peeps minds about the media....

The guy WAS an addict, plain and simple.
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:01 PM Rating: Default
Wow, sorry Allakhazam but I don't know what show you were watching, but the guy they showed was definitely an addict... here's a simple dictionary definition;

"The condition of being habitually or compulsively occupied with or involved in something."

From your reply:
"...some may prefer playing it to doing any of the other activities life may offer, even to the point of ignoring things society deems important. This is not an addiction, but rather a lack of self control. A man sweating with the anguish of withdrawal from his normal dose of heroin is addicted and in need to help to kick his habit. His body needs that heroin. A man who plays Everquest to the point where he ignores his family, job and life is simply out of control."

You sound a bit like the alcoholic who says he's just a heavy drinker, but doesn't have a problem and can quit anytime he wants. Isn't a 'lack of self-control' part of addiction? You also seem to think chemical addiction is the only type out there, wrongo. There are people addicted to sex, food, gaming, shopping, etc. By saying the EQ guy was just out of control and not an addict sounds to me like you're changing the definition so to be sure it doesn't apply to you.

"The player they finally chose to interview was a doctor who played Everquest about 20 hours a week. He seemed to be a fairly normal person with a normal family life. They obviously chose him because his wife complained that she wished that he spent less time playing Everquest and more time with his family... Funny, but I saw something else. Here is a man who manages to hold down a high pressure job, is a loving husband, properly raises his children and provides for his family."

Wow. "Loving Husband?" His wife was clearly upset, goes to bed alone, and asks her husband to play less and he won't. That's not normal.

"properly raises his children"? He totally ignored his kids the entire time I saw him, never even interacted with them as I recall.

"Manages to hold down a high pressure job" Big deal. Plenty of alcoholics and chemical abusers hold down jobs and maintain enough functionality to get by, doesn't mean they're not addicts.

The guys plays 1 hour in the morning before work and gets online when he gets home right after work, and plays until after his wife goes to bed. He even has a table next to PC and eats there - not with the rest of his family. I don't see how anyone thinks that's not a problem. FYI, it was the player who said he plays about 20 hours a week - the wife said its a lot more than that - I'd believe the wife.

Sorry Allakhazam - but given the hyper-defensive tirade, I'd have to say you should probably take a look in the mirror... as Shakespeare said "I think thoust doeth protest to much."

Yeah, the story was a bit sensational, but I'm finding current EQ players reactions much more interesting. They are either saying we aren't addicts, or try to redefine addiction so it doesn't fit them.

Morpeth - former EQ player from E'ci
RE: The guy WAS an addict, plain and simple.
# Oct 21 2002 at 4:48 PM Rating: Default
OK, so by this are we to believe that anyone who denies being addicted to anything is just in denial. . . . I think there was a point in time when this mindset prevailed . . . in Salem. "Admit your A witch and be saved" "But Im not a witch!" "Ok, she is lying, burn her for being a lying witch". Seems to me that some ppl were addicted to the thought that other people were witches. How many of you are addicted to the thought of thinking people who play everquest are addicted? I tell you what, I think you are addicted to pointing out anything that you dont like and trying to call it 'addictive'. I also think that everquest just happens to be your latest target. Now deny that you have this addiction.
As for the doctor who was portraid as being addicted, do you honestly think that CBS would have showed any footage whatsoever that contradicted their story. I can tell you with some degree of certainty that they filmed at least 1 to 2 hours of footage at his house and then edited out everything that didnt fit their preconceived notion. After all, they have to lure in and captivate and audience to get their ratings up, this way their show gets another season. Hmm, lure in and captivate (or hold their undivided attention) . . hmm, almost sounds addictive itself doesnt it? The bigger question is what gives you the right to try to force other people to adhere to your ideas of 'normalness'. Last time I checked this was a free country, allowing its citizens the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If everquest is your form or happiness the pursue it, you have that right. If you lose your job, your wife, your kids, your car, or your sanity over everquest then I pity you, but honestly, if you had never played everquest would not something else have come along that would have controlled you? If you do not have the force of will to set your own course in life and say to hell with things that get in your way, then you are destined to live a life in servitude to your passions. My passion is freedom, I live my life my way. Sometimes that means playing everquest, sometimes that means playing with my son, some times that means mowing my yard or vaccuming my living room or doing my laundry or all the other responsibilities that life demands from each of us. Remember that next time you are zoned out in front of your football game or your soap opera . . . . not to steriotype housewives, but how many of you would be really mad if you had to miss the next 3 days of guiding light or general hospital or whatever the current fad soap opera is. Tell you what, Ill stop playing everquest and you stop watching your sports/soapoperas and we will see who is angry and nervous and combative first . .ok? I have many other fun things in my life, everquest will be missed but I wont lament over it.
Doesnt it seem a bit ironic that a television program accusing gamers of being addicted has garnered so much attention and has so many people hanging on the edge to see what is coming next? Better watch out, you might be suffering from addiction to outrageously sensationalized misinformation. Dont worry, We will start a gossip chat channel in everquest to discuss and over inflate subfactual information about your condition.
Have a nice day, no matter what 'nice day' means to you .
RE: The guy WAS an addict, plain and simple.
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:02 PM Rating: Default
wow....thats quite a quantum leap in logic.

Post 1 - EQ is addictive

Your Post - "My passion is freedom." </em waves flag>

LOL...
RE: The guy WAS an addict, plain and simple.
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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EQ is indeed addictive, by definition even. However most any activity geared towards having fun is addictive, by definition. As for the Father in the story on 48 Hours, none of us can say anything about him as 48 Hours told the story as they wanted to, we don't have enough information to respond intelligently to it. Anyway the show was a pile of BS, but you are only kidding yourself if you try to say EQ (or any other game, of any kind) isn't addictive, people simply have different tolerances to addiction.

P.S. Have played EQ since release, played online games before then, will keep playing EQ till a new online game comes out that I like better. I'm an addict, but I most certainly am not going to kill myself over a stupid game, that would take a lot more being screwed up in my brain than a game can cause.
RE: The guy WAS an addict, plain and simple.
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
Sorry .. Allakhazam is correct , you are not....
An Addiction is an UNCONTROLLABLE urge.... Even when we do spend 6-8 hours online , it is a controllable action... I don't play near as much as I used to,but I still enjoy my time spent online .The people that have uncontrollable everquest experiences are people that probably take every thing in thier life to extremes.. Again the doctor portrayed did go a little far .... and how long did they have too look to find that guy..... If I do go on a raid , I make sure that I have time .. If I have just a little time to play, I do some soloing......Remember, Kooks make up a small part of society no matter what and where one may look


Kaladarr Kaldassian 53 Druid (sol Ro)
and plenty of other chars

Edited, Mon Oct 21 16:09:59 2002
RE: The guy WAS an addict, plain and simple.
# Oct 21 2002 at 4:09 PM Rating: Default
Ah yes....the classic sympton of addiction. "I can quit whenever I want. I just dont want to yet." LOL.

I'll wager you cant go a month without playing or feeling compelled to play EQ. ;)

Aly
RE: The guy WAS an addict, plain and simple.
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:04 PM Rating: Default
I'll take that bet. In return my wager is that you cant go 1 month without accusing , or feeling compelled to accuse other people of having something wrong with them because of things that YOU feel are wrong in THEIR life.




FYI, you lose already ... you just felt compelled to make some coment about me. I on the other hand have already logged off and am either spending time with my wife and 16 month old son , probably outside playing in the yard on what is probably the last nice day before it starts getting cold, or trying to decide what to make for dinner. Yes, I cook the meals, and im very good at it .. hmm, funny, an EQ addict finding time to not only cook, but to actually STUDY recipes and do research and practice to become better at cooking. I wash laundry and change sh*&*y diapers too . .hmm im really addicted, I allow this game to get in the way of things in my life that are more important . yeah, thats me, Wearin the addict . . . .see ya in game

Wearin Woodwarper, 52 addict of Tunare, Innoruuk server.
RE: The guy WAS an addict, plain and simple.
# Oct 21 2002 at 5:10 PM Rating: Default
I bet you cant do it. In fact, you even came up with a way where you can say "I'll take that bet" but dont really have to.

'nuf said.

- Aly
wow
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:00 PM Rating: Default
I must agree wholeheartedly with this post. I missed the actual segment, but managed to catch the clip on it on a guild message board I frequent.

First off, I have a VERY addictive mindset. Even after two years of being pregnant (I have an 18mo. old daughter and a 7mo. old son now, along with my 4 yr. old), I started smoking again at the drop of a hat after quitting due to being pregnant. I am however not addicted to EQ. Sure, I enjoy the social aspects of it, I also enjoy the leveling of it, the excitement of the kills and raids, the thrill of doing it amongst friends. I used to log in half the time in the morning and play till night time, I was addicted to it at that time. Now, I can go for days without even thinking of logging in (just did this weekend actually), and enjoy time with my family. I do not have many real life friends, due to moving and such, I can say honestly I have 3. My other friends are people from EQ. People I have met in real life, talk to every time I am online, and know them rather well at that. One of my friends is having a baby, we are all worried about them deeply since the baby is having problems...they are REAL people behind the avitars and that is what the mother failed to realize.

I do feel for the mother of Shawn. I can only imagine what it would be like to loose a child. Being a stay at home mother of three, I have yet to miss something happening...first teeth, crawling, sitting up, walking, or even learning your ABC's. I do as well play EQ though, not as an addiction, but as a way to relax. When my kids go to bed, it is mommy's time to relax (the only time my house is quiet!), and mommy chooses to do that playing EQ.

I do not agree that CB$ (I liked that one and will use it here too, hope ya dont mind!) did a horrible job on this story. Maybe for once instead of having tabloids we could actually have journalism again. Tell facts, show people that live normal lives and still play EQ, show the true aspects of the game. I am sure out of the 450,000 people that play they could realize VERY fast that Shawn was one of a few out in this game. He was one of the few that take it too far, deal it too seriously, but IMO that was not due to EQ being addictive, that was due to his mental problems in RL in the first place. I have read up as much as I can on this man and his suicide and his mothers revenge on SOE for it. He had more mental problems in real life than could be easily discouraged even though his mother seems to have tried to ignore them. Ignoring your childs downfalls doesnt make you a good mother. My children make mistakes, have problems, and I deal with them WITH my children.

Thanks Allaz for this write up. It definately was a very good read! :)

Mianya Menkia
60th High Priestess
Bristlebane server
Good job
# Oct 21 2002 at 3:00 PM Rating: Default
Brilliant editorial, I agree with everything stated there.

*thumbs up*
48 Hours and the hype
# Oct 21 2002 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
22 posts
Your editorial was right on the mark. I might add however, you did overlook one piece of the story.

That is how the media manipulates stories to set the agenda that the producers, reporters and executive brass wish to get across. While the potential ratings play a large factor on if the story airs, slanting, avoiding, and plain out and out lying about the facts to get a point across can make for a ratings grabber out of a mundane story.

Let's face it, media has changed our society. They are prime in making or breaking trends and directing our society's evolution based on what issues they wish to cover and how they wish to cover them. In today's society, corporations are one of the targets for the media and have been for several years. What is one of Sony's revenue generators? EQ. I'm sure they feel by hyping a potential problem with a few sob stories, they will get people away from the game and thereby score by hitting the target they have their eyes set upon at the moment by the bad publicity.

The media is a prime vehicle used to create many of the issues we have today. Blaming others became a trademark of the media. Someone commits a crime or commits suicide with a gun, it becomes the gun manufacturers fault for making the gun or in this case, Sony's fault for having a game out that this person happened to play, not the person who used its fault because he had some emotional issues that clouded his judgement at the moment.

Situations like the above are helped along by the media since they attack the target they are aiming at. There's no ratings in placing the blame with the commiter of a crime, who the media usually turns into the victim of a corporation's or profession's so called greed or incompetence.

Thank you CBS
# Oct 21 2002 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
When I first heard that CBS was going to have a slot in their show for Everquest i knew it was going to be bad. Im a normal kid who plays EQ for about 1 hour a weekday and 4-5 hours on weekends. I have a bunch of friends that I hang out with and I only play EQ when I have nothing better to do. I dont know how CBS could portray EQ as a bad thing but somehow my parents found out, watched it and now Im forced to quit EQ for a few months until "I can get things straight." Ive already had things straight but I guess not. Thanks a lot CBS, Ill remember not to watch that channel ever again.

Wendail Wolfbane (retired)
Why post here??
# Oct 21 2002 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
When reading the posts in this thread, I can't help thinking "Why??". Because those who read it will almost certain be EQ players who don't need to be told what the game is really all about. CBS is not interested, they have done their thing, sold commercial time, and moved on to their next err... item. Even when they read this, I doubt they would do more than have a good laugh about it. And the non-players, still the vast majority of the people, have no more then a passing interest, even if they did watch the show. Just my 2 cents...

One more thing.... if EQ MAKES people commit suicide, we have one million more to await in the near future. Just think about that, and realise just how ridiculous that assumption is.

Oops, now I've done it myself too... posting that is.

LOL

jokesonthem
# Oct 21 2002 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
Well thaught out and factual response to the Program.

The fact is the show ,no matter how negative, will in most probobility cause an influx of EQ players. As proven through out time, if you state something is bad or evil and even powerful ... everyone that has a little rebel in us ( most of us I would hope 8> )will in fact embrace it. example's .. Drinkin , smoking , watching TV , eating junk or fast food. They continue to grow (with the exeption of cigarets) in proportion to the negetive light shed on them. Im shure all of you can come up with a million more better examples 8>.

Addiction? Tell ya what. I know a lot of people who have been .. hm .. in a bad way and have used EQ as a much needed distraction to keep them outa trouble. I myself am on the verge of Quiting smoking Cigarets by not smokeing at my computer. I usualy play at night after the family heads for bed and used to watch TV and smoke or more likely go to the local watering hole and Have a few drinks and smoke like a Chimney.


Prinzes Parlone
Seekers of Lore
Innoruuk

you are what you eat.
Nothing New
# Oct 21 2002 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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64 posts
Sadly, it's not like this is anything new. Just to prove my geekness, I've been involved in SF and gaming cons for a long time. This year I get to run Philcon (okay, blatant plug www.philcon.org).

Every year we do this, someone from the local media calls up, asking to do a piece on the con. You are mostly forced to agree to avoid the dreaded "People from the con refused entrance to our cameras, so we are just going to say whatever they want."

In comes Joe Reporter. He interviews the chair of the convention, some attendees, a dealer or two, and maybe some of the guests.

Now, who makes it onto the news at 11? That's right, the guy with the Vulcan ears (by the way, we're a literary SF convention, not a media based con) that have been surgically altered on, wearing the uniform that has been meticulously crafted (tailoring of 225?) to meet 'Starfleet Specs'.

Now, bear in mind, I wouldn't even call this person 'addicted' to trek, but he is certainly not representative of the vast majority of our attendees. Nonetheless, he is paraded out as a 'Typical Science Fiction Fan.'

This leads to the question, is this a BAD thing? Starngely, I'll say no, it really isn't. For the most part, anyone who buys into that image ALREADY has that image of science fiction fans (or gamers) in their head, and is not likely to change it. Anyone who is familiar with fan culture sees it for what it is.

The only damage is the potential loss of the 'casual' fan, the one who might be thinking of picking up a copy of EQ or a new book and finds him or herself deciding to purchase something else. The flip side? The 'casual' fan who has never heard of EQ and decides to check it out. It balances out in the end.

Until journalism becomes a true non-profit enterprise (otherwise known as when you can have snowball fights in Lavastorm), it's just something we'll have to grit our teeth and bear.
48 hours
# Oct 21 2002 at 2:51 PM Rating: Default
I woulda been a nice person to interview since i play about 48 hours a week. eq is the devil. but i still love it. thx bye
We Watched
# Oct 21 2002 at 2:49 PM Rating: Default
My Best Friend and I got into EQ 2 years ago. We watched the segment on EQ from 48 hours. Now I do feel for the mothers loss of her son. But, this is a clear case of lets blame someone. unfortunatly for Gaming the blame has come here. Just like it did in the 80's with Music. Im sure most of all of you remember the court cases with Ozzy and Judas Priest. How the music killed other people's children. Lets not forget the tragedy at Columbine (spelling) where Marilyn Manson was blamed for that. I say this, err we anyway. THIS IS A GAME. Its a fun game. Everyone who plays "needs" their dose of Evercrack. But its not so addicting that life around you stops. To Claim that or have someone else claim that is just plain foolish. This guy who ended his life had more serious issues than just playing Everquest. Its sad that ANYONE would have the audacity to blame anyone else for someones decision.

Tigermane Leondegrance
34 Warrior
Cazic Thule Server
(yes I have other characters, Im an ADDICT)
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