Funny it is froglok useable but not iksar useable???
Iksar race was introduced with Kunark expansion, the same expansion that bought this breast plate but SOE obviously hates Iksar to not include them as useable race. They did bother to include Froglok when they came out a few expansions later.
Just want to know why no Shaman Bp, (Iksar), seems like every race and class got/gets a chance to have one drop. I could be wrong, but didn't this zone come out when they introduce the iksar race. hmmm,
I was just wondering.. I have this BP and it says no drop... I have had it over a year and i remember buying it for like 25 k in the bazaar.... I got an upgraded BP and just noticed the no drop...what gives?
Having read all the posts here I have just 1 question? Why wouldn't you keep this in a pack for the effect? If you are so arrogant that you belive that an extra few ac are unimportant, then you obviously have never played your shaman in a group. That extra few ac can mean the difference between life and death after you slow the mob and before the tanks get it off of you. I believe that a good shaman is one that lives to slow the next mob. Just my 2 cents worth, but please rate it :)
actually a few ac is not gonna be a life and death situation most of the time. First off if ur in a half decent group, by the time the tank engages he should have aggro enuf to keep it off of you. Second if u can take the 3 hits then you need to be looking at some of the gear that has hp, not like this. Since this is clicky at level 46 this has horribly bad stats. It has few stats, in a coupple of levels you can pick up a tae ew bp for like mabye 2kpp. Also a nice improvement to this is either a- bazu breastplate which u can normally get for cheaper than this. There is also a bit more costly upgrade such as bazu breastplate of flames or inferno chain breast plate.
Jaundiced bp is very nice look and stat wise effect last a longtime. I got greaves as well but the effect is pretty worthless imo and only real use is on newbies.
If you look at the 19AC you get from the Bramblecoat effect from this, the Breastplate has an effective AC of 54. Very nice. All you have to do is right click it like once every 1.5 to 2 hours. (can't remember exact length of spell but it is very long lasting).
actualy just got my Jaundiced Bp and checked the AC diff. I get a +75 AC bost with this baby with the effect and all. The effect gives me 17 ac i think...add the 10 agi...gives me like 1.37 AC per AC on the Bp. Dont know if effect changes with lvls but im 52 if it helps and on the Karana server.
actually the comparable AC is somewhere around 48, since you get about 1.5 AC rating per AC on the item, while the spell effect is direct AC. That is still on the level of the SS quest armor, and definietly better then the r/h/m dragonhide BP, the only tradeable BP with higher item AC. Also Bramblecoat stacks with nearly everything but the yaulp series. Plus the great look of it ). One thing not to forget about this - this is a trakanon BP. With trak bein farmed for about 2 years now there are only a total of about 250 BP of all classes out. That means that there are also only about 20 JB BP on your server, something that might be considered in pricing
Just wondering, but since the effects are triggered, u can cast it on others right? I'm sure winter's roar can be cast on others(obviously), and triggered effects usually can be, but if that's true, then these would save a shammy a lot of mana. My friend lent me the stuff on his shammy, including some JB armor, and hopefully i'll be able to bring mine up into the ranks.
Bramblecoat is self only. All other effects in the set can be cast on others. Its a nice effect, but being self only its kinda disappointment for a trak bp effect.
After reading all these posts leaves me utterly stunned! It's clear when you read ALL of the posts and research your Shaman and speak to other Shamans who have been there and done that. I was told that once I reached 200 wisdom or somewhere close to it concentrate HARD on ac. I know from my own experiences at level 53 that the mobs you slow or attempt to slow will pound the ever loving doo doo out of you if you have low ac. I won't list my own ac because to be honest I'm rather embarrassed it's so low. But at this point I have plenty of mana to buff, heal, slow, haste, etc. And whomever posted that a dead Shaman with a full mana bar does no good is absolutely 100% on the money. My goal is to reach 1000 ac while keeping my wisdom at the 200 range. I believe, and hopefully I'm correct, that once I have accomplished this I will be of more use to my group because I won't be dying while the Cleric is casting a wonderful but slow heal on me. Most of you who have posted here I am in total agreement with you. While, yes, it's important for a Shaman to have the mana necessary to fulfill her duties it's equally as important not to be so fragile that you die before anyone can heal you. Get the wisdom you need to cast your spells and get the ac to save your ***** My wisdom is currently 209 but I am more than willing to give some of that up to seriously upgrade my ac. Effects or not. With low ac you're worthless when you've aggroed the mob to the point where it takes the tanks ten seconds to get the mob off of you and you don't have the armor to withstand the beating you're taking. We don't have the option of waiting until a mob is at 60% life before we cast our great slow spell like pure casters can. Once the target has been established we slow it to prevent the tanks from taking a beating and to prevent the Cleric from having to constantly heal every tank in the group; drawing aggro to herself. If you're not casting Turgur's as soon as the battle ensues then you're not doing your job. We're supposed to be able cast our slow and, if so, take the pounding until the tanks can taunt the mob off of us. You can't always depend on having a Cleric in your group buffing your ac to the point to where it should've been in the first place. Trust me, and trust these other people. They know of where they speak. Get sufficient wisdom and get the best ac gear you can find. You'll die a whole lot less if you take everyone's advice. If I have to give up 2 wisdom to gain 10 ac then I'm going to do it. You play your own way and eventually you'll discover that what these fine gentlemen/ladies say is the truth. You need hp and you need ac. GET IT!!! Or die. Your choice. You can bet most of these people are happy to have the ac they have and they haven't had to gain their ac by having only 120 wisdom. It doesn't matter which armor is best. Get what you can and always keep your hp and ac in mind. You'll find that you'll do a lot more playing and a lot less dying.
And please, if you have any feelings towards my post, whether they be negative or positive, please give my post a rating. Those who have Scholar, Guru, and Sage next to their names have them for a very good reason. They earned them.
Okay while a High AC is a must for us shammy's. Are we forgetting a valuable tool at our disposal? I mean when I slow a mob and gain aggro, I do not stand there and just let it beat on me. Of course I do not run around either. I simply root the mob, back away and allow the tank's to gain the aggro. Of course when it is an add and there is no messer, the tank's may not come over and take aggro, but that's when our pet comes in handy. I have hot button's set up to assist the mt then slow the mob and send in my pet. I then move on to any adds. When I target an add my hotbutton calls my pet back sends my pet in and slows the mob. I have been in many groups that where amazed how well that worked, and hearing comment's like "Shammy mezzing". A shaman like a druid is a versitle class, you just have to use the tools at your disposal. LOL, However I do fully support the high ac goal for a shaman.
I have a level 50 Shammy (Shiver MeTimbers) & I would like to add my agreement to Preal, but also to add another point...
The only benefit I find of having a huge mana base is in the first combat of the day, when I usually have fm. Okay, if you have Kei on permanently, you're gonna hit full mana more frequently, but if you're anything like me, my mana bar rarely gets full up. Someone with 250 wis has the same mana regen rate as someone with 200 wis, so if u have 200 wis and never get to full then the extra 50pts are not being used. Once ur below fm, it's all about mana regen, not total mana.
But, we shammies can "cheat" on our mana regen by cannibilising hps & using regen/chloro etc. to regain them faster. However, this means that u need to protect ur hps so that u can cannibilise w/o risking ur life - and that means getting high ac. Apart from the risk of dying, every time a mob hits u for 100dam, it is taking away ~50 potential mana. If ur ac makes a mob miss u a couple of extra times during a combat & decreases the damage on it's hits then u've just saved enuff mana to cast another spell!
Admittedly, if ur using ur mana to root n dot single mobs & then u med back to fm between each combat, then my comments don't apply. But if that's all ur doing then maybe u should've played a druid! ;-)
On a personal note, I like having high ac because it means that u don't have to run around in circles or scream like a baby every time u get attacked. I calmly tell my group that I'm under attack & try to get in a few blows myself. If u look at our self-buffed stats, I think it means that we're meant to get in amongst it - for reference mine are:
Ok, lets think about this. I am a shaman who would dearly love to get his hands on this BP. Why? Combined ac52. Nuff said on AC. The dmg shield is a plus. If you read the spell, its 3+1/4lvls. So, at my lvl thats 16dmg tgt takes for hitting me. Not much, but hey, mobs hit shaman a lot more than the shaman melee mobs. Every little bit helps.
The other stats are just a big bonus. Well, a little bonus.
Velius armor you say? Well, it takes lots of luck to loot the chain we need then you have to get really lucky for the gems. I am a poor shaman, I do alchemy. I dont have another char to feed me 10k to buy 3 Black Marbles. I cant even afford the 1500pp I need for 3 CFE's for my thurg bracer.
If you are not a shaman, or have a really close friend who plays one, back off or start one. Then you juggle ac/wis to help you survive bein summoned after a failed slow and see how you like it and how bad you wish your ac was over 1k.
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Posted:Feb 13 2002 at 3:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sorry but this dmg shield is a solid 3 points everytime, it never goes up.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spell cast on you: Brambles spring from your skin. Spell cast on someone: Soandso's skin sprouts brambles. Spell fades: Your skin returns to normal.
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Posted:Nov 07 2001 at 4:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have a lvl one sha that I just started. Most likely this wont happen but if there is someone nice that could help me get one of them or something to that extent I would greatly appreciate it.
I have since then made a new bard and enjoy my new char so im selling jbbp im on the tribunal and accepting pp offers and uber bard item weapon trades.
I personally have both spirit weaver breastplate and rune crafter's breastplate. One has more hps, other has more mana.
Honestly anyone who would opt to use this bp for the effect is just greedy... let some poor sham who can't get better use it. As with the rest of the trak bps they are slowing becoming twink gear.
I know everyone thinks their kunark bp is godlike, but if you took any time at all you could get thurg bp easy and save yourself 100k.
Too true, as a 45 druid, it would be near impossible (not to mention stupid) for me to go on a trak raid, but I frequently go to Kael with my guild for armor drops. No, I dont have access to all of the gems, but in Cobalt Scar I can easily single pull the wyverns that drop quest gems, all arms and legs I think. Anyways, this is definatly true.
Heh, JB sucks for shammies until 45, as only the BP and greaves have stats other than AC, and most shammies go pure WIS until 45+ (speaking from personal experience here).. ;)
I think it is hilarious how screwed in the head people are about loot anymore. According to you JB armor--"sucks for Shammys until 45." WHY?? Just because the procs dont happen?? No WIS bonus on top of the outrageous AC? How about using the armor a 13th lvl Shaman is able to get on their own merit....RAW HIDE and CHAIN MAIL. That is the why the game was designed to be played.
You folks are totally twisted against playing the game without twinking your character to the point where they are ridiculously powerful for their level.
IF a 13th shaman DID have a full suit of JB it wouldn't even matter that they had a few hundred less mana in their pool because nothing that cons blue to them would be able to do significant damage to them. Of course, you also realize that such a person would have a 50th lvl Druid friend PL'ing them anyway right? Sheesh.
JB doesn't suck for shammies till 45 just cuz you can't cast the buffs. The AC is equivalent to or better than some of the velious quest armor!
And not all shamans go pure wisdom until 45, by a very long shot. As you said, that's YOUR personal experience.
Personally, I'd recommend people not wait that long to start making sure they can take a punch, as a low defense(1 defense = 2.5 AC) can get you killed when you hit 51 and start trying to slow huge mobs with your highly aggro 51 slow spell(it's especially aggro when it doesn't stick the first couple times.
I did just fine with 120 wisdom from about 43 to 52, wearing mostly JB and even rygorr. Just meleed the mobs down, most of the time, with pet and a slow--usually either no DOTs or just one. From 42-47, usually no dots, 120 wisdom, rygorr, JB armor.
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Posted:Nov 18 2001 at 10:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Remind me not to group with you-ever. When I'm fighting I want shaman at my back who's going to have some mana left over after he casts a slow and 1 dot. Mana for things like HEALS and BUFFS, you know, all those things shamans are supposed to do when they are grouped. Playing an ac shaman or druid is a pointless exercise, just as play an int bard is a pointless excercise.
I have to agree with most of what's been said, even though I don't have my new slow (i'm level 46), but my friend has a 58 chanter...her AC is better than mine (pathetic...) and she gets smacked hard whenever she slows, which isn't very good compared to Turgurs, and as of yet, she is only 200 or so hp beneath mine, and is killed very quickly, and Shiftless Deeds doesn't even have as much aggro as Turgurs. What use are Shamen, Enchanters, or any class for that matter, when they're loading their bind point? AC is very important to nearly all classes.
(BTW, if you have any 55+ Chanty spells on Vazaelle, send a tell to Gabbriella)
A Wisdom of 120 into 40s and 50s? Whatever. First Character, Wis at 180 plus a bit, Bear form another +5. AC low and in serious need but until 51 with new slow spell, AC was not a big issue. Now it is a seriously big issue. And waiting until the tanks have good and piised off to cast a slow is not a clever option. Wastes eithere your mana, or whoever is doing the healing.
Need to stick that Slow ASAP, need Wis and need AC. You wait till mobs is down to 60 Health, it has already tripled damage to tanks. So lets say in Kael instead of 1000HP down for a tank, he is 3000 health down and cleric has now drawn all the aggro or you have pissed him off more by casting 4 or 5 Supoerior Heals.
Not too bright if you ask me. It's all important, AC, Wis, resists. At 51 you ought to be a ble to start building on all of them.
In my EXP the truth lies in having the flexibility of a decent WIS, a couple nice armor pieces to add AC...and defensive buffs on myself to help with the AC issue.
You are totally right that a good shaman manages his/her mana so there are heals left after buff/slow. I have also found that if I wait a couple melee rounds for the tank to get a nice deep agro on the mob...THEN cast slow I dont get beat up nearly as much. Many Shaman fail to realize the lesson that a wizzie learns early with their DD--WAIT until you cast an "attention-getting" spell.
I generally have a few items that are WIS based that I can quickly change to AC-based when the situation calls for it...like when there is a cleric in the group or another hybrid healer, etc.
It is not merely about having the correct gear, it is how well you play the situation which includes the TYPE of Mob, the configuration of the group, etc.
Remind ME not to group with YOU ever. All the mana in the world isn't going to do you a bit of good if your shaman is dead. For example, if I'm the main healer in a group, I depend on slow a LOT to help me keep up with heals. The slower the mob is beating on my group, obviously, the less healing I'll have to do, and since I'm a shaman, not a cleric, it's a bit of a job for me to keep a buffed warrior healthy. Unfortunately, casting slow on a mob makes him really, really angry and I can't even tell you how many times I've had to stand there and take a pounding before the rest of the group could get it off me. A lot of good my full mana bar was doing me then. AC is the way to go, no question about it. We can recover mana thanks to cannibalize so we can buff you, heal you, dot the mob, slow the mob, debuff the mob, etc. Do all those things shamans are "supposed" to do.
Hmmm this is not THAT obvious imo. When you reach the high-end game, you shouldn't even reach melee range except for some specific mobs requiering it for spells to land.
At higher levels, you are supposed to play with tanks having huge HP pool (5 to 8K) and able to REALLY keep aggro like made. This mean you should not go in melee range anytime but for please yourself at the end of the fight.
2) If you simply remember to use your slow AFTER the mob got at least 1/2 hp bubble life down, (the basic and most efficient tactics : 'I-let-the-tank-get-aggro-to-avoid-a-stupid-summon-in-melee-range', your slow will land easier and you won't need to melee. The 'see how good i am i slow as soon as the mob is in camp but WTF OMG ! OUCH ! /y /g HEAAAALLL -> LOADING PLEASE WAIT... Sound stupid to say that but most shaman forget it with time. Really :-(
3) When you face mobs hitting from 250 to 900 with enrage, flurries and so, having 100AC more won't change anything, really. Now i don't say that AC is not needed, but it's needed to BALANCE your shaman. Just increase all together rather than one stat.
For your info, extra mana and focus items are the things helping me the get the best out of my Shaman since i reached level 56/57. I don't say it's THE way you should go, i say at least it's my experience.
It has basicly the same thing as CoE but self only. So basicly u get 18 ac and a 3 dmg dmg shield. The effect lasts FOREVER, Jsut about as long as DMF. And also the PoG bp rules for raids with millions of tanks wanting sta.
Why does everyone flame items that they dont have? No way in hell would someone buy this, but if you won it etc etc.. whats so bad about it? Everyone &*#&#'s and complains about items they cant have, but if they ever got it would be celebrating day n nite.
Hey, my 30 shaman could REALLY use this lol. That +80 on mana would be great. I dont really need the hp boast, but hey, the more HP the better lol. The AC is very good for a shaman bp. Now...if I can save up 200K im in buisness....
i just don't get it, people complain about free ac on a bp they obviously don't have and most likely won't get. its 3 damage not 5. the reason it lists all races but iksar instead of just barbarians trolls and ogres is because that is the standard list for plate and there's no sense wasting space and time specifying individual races when a broad rule sufices. the cleric bp used to cast celestial healing not complete healing.
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Posted:Apr 04 2001 at 6:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you friggin noobs are ridiculous, this BP ownz...if you talk **** about it, it's because you cant get one. Oh and PoG is better, 20 raids under my belt and I have seen 1, yes 1 shaman piece drop and it wasn't BP it was helm. So if you think you can just PoG and get r33t l3wtz, think again. BTW, thanks Verant for the ultra rare shaman drops in hate AND in PoG....
Compare this to the Spirit weavers bp youd get by goin on PoG raids... Get yer spirit weaver bp, it looks better and has better stats and a HELL of a lot easier to get, unless your guild somehow manages to kill trak every time he spawns.
#Anonymous,
Posted:Jun 09 2001 at 4:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah...when you get some free time, head to the Planes and get your planes armor instead of wasting money on this. I mean, it takes a guild to kill Trak, but a planes raid...that's easy. [sarcasm off]