CAN CLERICS TANK?????????????//
Classes: The Cleric
 | Clerics -- the premier healer in the game. A popular class for any group, the cleric brings the ability to heal the party and keep you from dying, and can even bring you back from death at higher levels.
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I don't really consider it tanking as you really need a melee type in the group also, but I consider mine a combat-cleric.
I started out in groups with heavy damage wielders with good armor class and started to jump into the middle of the fight. At the time I was using a Soulripper (1hb mace from Dulak)and some type of shield and only wearing my Acrylia Studded armor, but because there were others dealing more damage I could get away with few hits while building my melee stats.
Some time in my mid 40s to mid 50s I had maxed out my 1hb at 175 and my offense at 200, while also getting my Bash up to 165 to help interrupt mob casters spells.
Now granted this is nothing compared to the damage a warrior or well equiped pally can dish out, but there are times in a fight where that extra punch can really make the difference.
Since then I have upgraded my Soulstripper to a Delightful Orb of Forgotten Magic and my shield to a Tacticians Bulwark (shield). My Orb usually procs one to as many as FOUR times per fight for 320 points each mob. When you add in the 40 to 70 points of regular 1hb damage and shield bash damage that I am doing every two or three seconds as well and the 50 to 70+ damage my pet (Unswerving Hammer of Faith) is doing every two or three seconds it starts adding up.
As a main tank, I don't really think so (unless you are talking some of the undead areas and using Root and Nuke tactics). But when my combat-cleric can add 2000 hitpoints (or more) of MELEE damage to that of a tank and it makes being a cleric so much more fun whats the harm in calling her the BT (baby tank).
I started out in groups with heavy damage wielders with good armor class and started to jump into the middle of the fight. At the time I was using a Soulripper (1hb mace from Dulak)and some type of shield and only wearing my Acrylia Studded armor, but because there were others dealing more damage I could get away with few hits while building my melee stats.
Some time in my mid 40s to mid 50s I had maxed out my 1hb at 175 and my offense at 200, while also getting my Bash up to 165 to help interrupt mob casters spells.
Now granted this is nothing compared to the damage a warrior or well equiped pally can dish out, but there are times in a fight where that extra punch can really make the difference.
Since then I have upgraded my Soulstripper to a Delightful Orb of Forgotten Magic and my shield to a Tacticians Bulwark (shield). My Orb usually procs one to as many as FOUR times per fight for 320 points each mob. When you add in the 40 to 70 points of regular 1hb damage and shield bash damage that I am doing every two or three seconds as well and the 50 to 70+ damage my pet (Unswerving Hammer of Faith) is doing every two or three seconds it starts adding up.
As a main tank, I don't really think so (unless you are talking some of the undead areas and using Root and Nuke tactics). But when my combat-cleric can add 2000 hitpoints (or more) of MELEE damage to that of a tank and it makes being a cleric so much more fun whats the harm in calling her the BT (baby tank).
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Yeah..im 59,and a high elf..i have maxxed skills..Clerics aren't tanks,but with the 56 summoned hammer,plus pet,plus reverse DS...We can add some dps.More so if you can nuke heh.
It depends on your definition of tank. The most accepted definition seems to be someone that can hold aggro and can withstand a series of hits.
For the most part, a cleric is not good at either compared to other classes out there.
For the most part, a cleric is not good at either compared to other classes out there.
Can a cleric tank, with tanking defined as holding aggro and taking hits? It depends what you're fighting.
Should a cleric tank? Not if you have other choices. However, what about the times when you dont?
Did an ldon recently (65, normal difficulty). Started with myself (cleric), 1 druid, 1 wizard, 1 shammy and 2 warriors. Both warriors ended up having to leave, leaving us with no tank.
Against Normal LDON mobs, a cleric with decent equipment can tank. I can hold aggro as well as any paladin, considering I have more stuns than I have spell slots to put them in.
I typically would root the mobs when I pulled them (My pacify still works in 65 ldons, unlike pally). We were 2/3 of the ay thru with our collect mission when the second tank left, and with 4 people finished with 15 min to spare, and no overpulls, and no close calls or deaths.
Should a cleric tank? Not if you have other choices. However, what about the times when you dont?
Did an ldon recently (65, normal difficulty). Started with myself (cleric), 1 druid, 1 wizard, 1 shammy and 2 warriors. Both warriors ended up having to leave, leaving us with no tank.
Against Normal LDON mobs, a cleric with decent equipment can tank. I can hold aggro as well as any paladin, considering I have more stuns than I have spell slots to put them in.
I typically would root the mobs when I pulled them (My pacify still works in 65 ldons, unlike pally). We were 2/3 of the ay thru with our collect mission when the second tank left, and with 4 people finished with 15 min to spare, and no overpulls, and no close calls or deaths.
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THeres not really a "simply put." I tank for my 4 box set of cleric, Necro, Chanter, and Bst. Gear and AA are the difference. I did the Remains in Veksar and regularly tank named in BoT (not tower bosses) and HoH. HoT myself, MoK, MoR, 3 stuns and a nuke, and the occassional heal allow me to keep aggro off of other classes. I don't do it unless I have to and usually people reject the idea until they HAVE to give me a shot. Tank egos can be fragile things so I try to be humble about it. I have a 58 Pally (my 1st char) and I never lost the love of playing a tanking healer (as opposed to a healing tanker).
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hell i solo all the time... i can almost solo BoT wing names and i also solo WoS alot... its gear aa and common since... you gotta know what you can take and if it worth fighting... with yaulp i almost always come out of the fight FM so its pretty much non stop pulls... gotta get a good weapon though... the cleric only from tactics is nice... i used it up until i got my hammer of holy vengance from time.
simply put, i can tank.
max def AA, 2200 ac, over 11k hp self buffed.
i remember when an 8k buffed warrior was uber. and i healed many less buffed tanks in BoT back when PoP came out.
like it was said above, it depends on where you go. i cannot tank on raids. and i don't try to tank DoD stuff.
but put me in a creator DoN, i can tank and heal. and hold aggro, just use MoR on Inc, then stun, soon as wears off, stun again, then if someone pulls aggro, stunn again. i use 3 stuns when i am tanking. it used to be alot easier to hold aggro, but with the AA SCS made it a bit harder.
i solo mulitiple unslowed mobs in BoT with ease. I solo the wing named in BoT, couldn't take down the one in deep south tho, he still posing a problem with me. is great fun tho!
some clerics choose to not tank, they choose to not get def aa, they choose mana over hp. to each their own. IMO those are the clerics that say we can't tank.
no matter to me, i know i can, and do ;-P
max def AA, 2200 ac, over 11k hp self buffed.
i remember when an 8k buffed warrior was uber. and i healed many less buffed tanks in BoT back when PoP came out.
like it was said above, it depends on where you go. i cannot tank on raids. and i don't try to tank DoD stuff.
but put me in a creator DoN, i can tank and heal. and hold aggro, just use MoR on Inc, then stun, soon as wears off, stun again, then if someone pulls aggro, stunn again. i use 3 stuns when i am tanking. it used to be alot easier to hold aggro, but with the AA SCS made it a bit harder.
i solo mulitiple unslowed mobs in BoT with ease. I solo the wing named in BoT, couldn't take down the one in deep south tho, he still posing a problem with me. is great fun tho!
some clerics choose to not tank, they choose to not get def aa, they choose mana over hp. to each their own. IMO those are the clerics that say we can't tank.
no matter to me, i know i can, and do ;-P
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I think that all clerics need good def and ac becasue even those that swear they never tank may find themselves in a situation where they have no choice. As for me, I was stupid and sat down in the begining and did not max my def. So now any chance I have to jump up and get smacked around I do to raise those def points up. I also use stuns to hold agro, unfortunetly when up against a bsty I have yet to hold it long when they fight for it. It's fun to get up and do a bit of tanking or be able to go solo somewhere for a bit. Don't understand those that just want to sit on butts the entire time and only heal, although I realize healing is the number one job of a cleric it is still fun to join in on the action once in a while.
xaanru has a very good point. Given whats out there available, clerics SHOULD not be tanks. But by definition, clerics CAN be built for a tank class, its just not common. When you build a cleric, you will notice, it mentions STA as a segested stat. Thats because clerics are suposted to be added dps, though, these days you'd have to be an idiot to try to be MT.... Plus SOE has not really given great items that allow a cleric to be a tank as "good" items. Only the old school quests show any hint of the fact that clerics can tank. If you look at the old Temple of Solisk Ro armor series, you will find very few, if any of them actually give wisdom on the armor. Most give Sta, dex, and str because orignally, when they made clerics playable, they were supossed to be a battle healer, able to run right into a fight, despite being hit, and heal the main tanks. We were NOT made to be main tanks, simply to to take hits and heal, then get argo away, or root the mob. Its that simple really. Cerics CAN be made into tanks, but they shouldn't, BUT they should be able to take hits because we do get argo, and we CAN do rather decent damage at higher levels.
Never underestimate a cornered Cleric.... i've proven many a time, than tanks (unless given a huge advantage) can not beat a cleric who is any good.
Never underestimate a cornered Cleric.... i've proven many a time, than tanks (unless given a huge advantage) can not beat a cleric who is any good.
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aye solo mpg myself for fun... need to have the correct equipment and abilities though -)
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Yes and NO if your going to tank stick with undead otherwise your going to find a cleric cannot take the beating mobs dish out.Stay with undead safer for your health
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Yes and NO if your going to tank stick with undead otherwise your going to find a cleric cannot take the beating mobs dish out.Stay with undead safer for your health
This makes no sense to me. What difference does being undead make as far as being hit by the mob?
Plus, you did notice that you have resurrected a thread from 2004, that had been dead for a year, beforeyou revived it?
There have been a LOT of changes to clerics since this person originally asked the question, and in short, the answer now is: With the correct gear, a cleric can tank decently. Not as well as a real tank, but capably in some settings.
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