Where should i put my AA points at level 55>?


53 Nec
Talon Zek

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1. Your hp does not drain fast at 65 because of SoS, one of our best dots is SK which heals us for 150 a tick (200 dmg a tick).
2. MC3 should be one of your last AAs because of how expensive it gets and how little it gives, SoS gives 50 mana a tick, FS gives 2, and if you're grouping you might have bst crack, bards songs, 9, etc. Grouped I consider 90 mana a tick to be ok mana regen. That said in a group I probably have blessing of replenishment, 9, symbol, and bst crack which means I'm losing 0 hp a tick... and even then I'm casting SK.

So in response to the path you're suggesting I'd say thats pretty unwise.

The AA path I would suggest now is run 3 at 55ish (use sow potions even with run 3) ideally you'd get your run 3 AAs from raids, then get level 64 for Seduction (65 is mostly worthless unless you can afford blood of thule and child of bert), then solo vxed for 14% AA XP a kill to buy 9th spell slot, regen 3 (needed for scm3), SCM3, then your utility AAs (suspend minion, pet hold, conjure corpse, flesh to bone), then your fun but mostly useless AAs (WTD, SoD, etc), then your "I want to dual weild envy and woe and pretend I'm a warrior" (casting fear I can hold aggro better) type of AAs. Might also be wise to charge all the way to lvl 67 to get PG groups and not stop till 70, up to you althought its probably the best path.

The truth is until you get 10k hp you're not going to be tanking, ND3 gives a 10% hp bonus and since I'm assuming you're not using uber nodrop gear you'd get about 200hp out of it. Do the math 200 hp for 12 AAs = 16.6 hp per AA. At 65 you're kiting mobs that quad for 1k, for 12 AA would you prefer 30% mana reduction on spells or 1/20 of a quad's damage added to your hp? If you are intending to tank defensive AAs would be wiser.

Couldn't have said it better Deak. Buy SCM3 (Spell Casting Mastery) Under Archetype - It cuts the cost of mana off of every spell you cast. When you're casting lots of spells every mob ( ...any situation you're killing, really) It saves you a lot of downtime. If you want Mental clarity, I'd put the first point into it only because mana regen +1 for two AAs isn't too too bad.. although when you're liching for 50 mana per tick, It's not exactly crucial. As far as Utility AAs, I'd say they're useful and all, but not necessarilly for a necro that has no clue what they do. If you plan on getting into a raiding guild at some point, you WILL need pet hold. Suspend minion is also good overall. With the AAs they have out now though, I may look to maxing my critical affliction AAs sooner. with the OoW advanced crits maxed, I kill the mobs pretty damn fast. Seeing a tick that looks like 168 131 224 978 622 964 Is pretty nice, and boy do you see them often.

Less downtime + faster kills = faster AAs.

Totally agree with Magzavus... WTD useless? It's totally free DPS, no mana what-so-ever... and it refreshes every 9 minutes... 9 minutes is nothing. And while we're on the topic... I find Swarm of Decay to be an excellent AA... even though most people totally bash it. But think about it, as Magzavus pointed out, if the tank and the CLR drop... the mob is after you next... so with WTD's upgrade Army of the Dead and Swarm of Decay along with your usual pet... you have a total of 9 pets out there... and Swarm of Decay is an instant cast, no mana, pets critting for over 400 damage... now I don't know about you, but I feel that's pretty frickin good. Refresh of 30 minutes? Who cares... I generally only use it on tough mobs anyway or in a bind, under normal circumstances you're just nuking and DoTing anyway... so why complain about extra, no mana, awesome DPS and 3 more targets for a mob? I've saved my groups plenty of times in MPG and RS with my army of pets in a bind to safely say that Swarm and WTD are definitely NOT a waste of AAs. And for ND? Over rated... if you're worried about getting hit as a necro... you're not really doing your job... you have FD to lose aggro... and in OoW, you get hit, you go down, period. 200 extra HPs aren't going to be helping you out a whole lot, I'll let you know. ND is when you have nice gear and AAs to burn imo. Get Combat Agility and damage avoidance AAs, but ND? Pffft. First, in my opinion, go with DPS... faster that mob drops the safer you are, solo or in group. DoT crits at lvl 67 for over 1.2k per tick on one DoT alone... think of the damage that mob's taking with 4-5 DoTs critting, pet with crits and flurries, 5 WTD pets, and 3 Swarmed archers critting for over 400 each. Lastly, Mental Clarity... FYI, you're a Necro, mana regen isn't exactly your biggest concern. Start with Innate Regen, Run Speed, and if you're like me... Casting Fury and Mastery (Combat Agility if you're worried about getting hit).

Necrotalk.com says that you should get Innate Regen and Innate Run speed, then quite til lvl 65 to get AA as your AA exp is much greater because you will be counts as a lvl 51 for AA exp. At least that is what I have been told.

Couple of follow up questions, as my 62 necro is working on his archetypes now. (I've done Run3, Innate Regen3, Mnemomic Retention, and MC2). Have 6 more archetypes to go for the required 12.

I didn't see Lifeburn listed in anyone's comments. Useless? Good?

Also, SCF only applies to DDs, right? The crit afflictions are 65+.

So if I finish my archetypes with SCM1+2, is WTD the next logical choice? Or maybe even before SCM1+2?

What about Mend Companion, Dire Charm?

Thanks for your help!

after run spead I put 3 on inate regen