Classes: The Warrior
 | Warriors - the tank class. Combining a powerful offense with a strong defense, warriors are best suited to slugging it out toe to toe with the monsters they face.
What is the best way to develop and play your warrior? What skills are the most useful for a warrior to develop and master? Can a warrior be soloed, and if so how? How should the warrior be played within a group? What weapons and armor whould the warrior seek out? Post your strategies on how to best play and develop the Warrior and read, rate and comment on what others have to say. |
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Nice Xaan, thanks for doing that. I knew it was true, but it's nice to have a post with some real data to refer the skeptics to ;)
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I have noticed as a lvl 70 Gnome Warrior that i used to get stunned on average about once a fight. But now at higher lvls i get stunned about 1/3 fights without the stun defense aa. Considering this if u spend time to get that aa you should be stunned considerably less i imagine. Play the class u like the most cause in the end its all about aa's and equipment. When stuff hittin u on average for 1k or more, i find regen dont matter too much, helps alot while just chillin though. I love gnomes so i made a gnome warrior and stuck with him. Love it when people say WTF is that?!?! A lvl 70 Gnome Warrior? lol
I also find that gnomes lvl faster than most all other races besides halfling. Took 18 days to get 70 and 40 AA's
Lilstinky Lvl 70 Gnome War
Edited, Mon Jul 11 12:07:51 2005 by ganjarfourtwenty
Edited, Mon Jul 11 12:14:17 2005 by ganjarfourtwenty
I also find that gnomes lvl faster than most all other races besides halfling. Took 18 days to get 70 and 40 AA's
Lilstinky Lvl 70 Gnome War
Edited, Mon Jul 11 12:07:51 2005 by ganjarfourtwenty
Edited, Mon Jul 11 12:14:17 2005 by ganjarfourtwenty
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I just conducted a test, using magelo. I created 2 fake warrior characters, at level 65. One was a naked orge warrior with 151 stamina. He has 2936 hp.
The other character is a gnome with a base stamian of 80, and the following items. Bracer of fortitude, 2 velium bloodstone earrings, a runed bolster belt with a brilliant cut mudflow stone, and 2 radiant cut mudflow stones, installed in bronze brigandine armor pieces. None of these items has any HP on them, just stamina. The total stamina with these items is 151. His HP is..... drumroll please....... 2936, exactly the same as the other one.
The other character is a gnome with a base stamian of 80, and the following items. Bracer of fortitude, 2 velium bloodstone earrings, a runed bolster belt with a brilliant cut mudflow stone, and 2 radiant cut mudflow stones, installed in bronze brigandine armor pieces. None of these items has any HP on them, just stamina. The total stamina with these items is 151. His HP is..... drumroll please....... 2936, exactly the same as the other one.
Ok, there is something you should know to this statement though. First off, I'm taking the poster at their word, and believe what is said as fact.
Here are the counterarguments to that. By the time you get around level 65 and higher, your gonna max your stamina, to the cap. This is gonna happen with just normal upgrades, if your gonna use your warrior as a tank (your only group role, although you can always do dps, etc. if other's are more able in group to tank). What I am trying to say, is that although it may take a bit of doing to catch up to the ogre, or any other giant class, your gonna... You will catch up through normal gear upgrades. At a certain point the stat abilities aren't gonna be as much of a deal, as adding HP, as even a buff from any class your able to group with will probably max the one's your concerned about (Str, stamina, dexterity) although all stats are nice to have improvements for, these are "our" most desirable (Damage, HP, and weapon Proc's).
My only concern is someone reading that and making an Ogre, not really liking an Ogre, but thinking it's gonna be this drastic difference when playing them. They are a large class, and levelling them up will have to take that in consideration. Most that are levelled up have "stuff" that will shrink them handy though. Just make what you want, you will have more fun playing a toon you like, then one your just thinking is gonna give you an advantage, when the advantage dissapears pretty fast in EQ Life of a toon is compared.
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Couldnt agree more with pick what race u like the best. If your a Barbarian at heart, play a barb, if your and ogre at heart play and orge. You will love your character all that much more, lol, i play a gnome and i love him to death : )
I have a 65 Vah Shir warrior and agree with most of what is being said...race isn't all that important. I the the Vah Shir 1) because they have innate safe fall and I'm always running without slowing down for ditches and such, and 2) they're way cool looking!
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Here are the counterarguments to that. By the time you get around level 65 and higher, your gonna max your stamina, to the cap. This is gonna happen with just normal upgrades, if your gonna use your warrior as a tank (your only group role, although you can always do dps, etc. if other's are more able in group to tank). What I am trying to say, is that although it may take a bit of doing to catch up to the ogre, or any other giant class, your gonna... You will catch up through normal gear upgrades. At a certain point the stat abilities aren't gonna be as much of a deal, as adding HP, as even a buff from any class your able to group with will probably max the one's your concerned about (Str, stamina, dexterity) although all stats are nice to have improvements for, these are "our" most desirable (Damage, HP, and weapon Proc's).
How is this a counter argument? You are saying essentially the same thing I am. The test I did, was merely to dispell the rumor that BASE stamina somehow had more of an effect on HP than gear stamina. It doesn't as my test shows. One warrior had a much higher base stamina, which I made up for by adding stamina only items, with no hp on them. The result was two warriors with exactly the same hp.
lets asume you are not twinking and you want a lot of hps off the bat .... go ogre or troll or barbarian...... want to avoid more attacks and higher ac go iksar froglok vah shir.... personally all the other races are bad choice for a newbie thats not twinking it will be very difficult to get hps up in low end ...... you want to try it go for it but not recommended personally..... I Choice barbarian ...why? they look cool and i like being tall at the time i didnt realize race differentes but im happy with my choice
"How is this a counter argument? You are saying essentially the same thing I am. The test I did, was merely to dispell the rumor that BASE stamina somehow had more of an effect on HP than gear stamina. It doesn't as my test shows. One warrior had a much higher base stamina, which I made up for by adding stamina only items, with no hp on them. The result was two warriors with exactly the same hp."
Correct, I am in full aggreement with you here. I think the best race to pick is the one you want to look like, LOL.
Sorry for the missunderstanding.
Correct, I am in full aggreement with you here. I think the best race to pick is the one you want to look like, LOL.
Sorry for the missunderstanding.
Be iksar, they have bonus to their armor class, but can wear all plate after velious, pretty much (they are restrictd against most preluclin plate armor). On top of this they have slightly better regen and good night vision, which helps, and they have a nice line of weapon/back slot quests (which if they soe ever finish developing ends up about as good as epic 1.0 looking at necro/shaman/sk, plus it fits in back slot).
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Race is irrelevant /nod.
Ogres get an edge of course becouse they are Immune to stun and we all know how annoying it is when you get stunned at begining of the fight when casters and priests cast crap on the incoming mob hehe.
After I finished my anti stun AAs I get stuned much less but it still hapens. Other than that just pick a race that looks cool to you. I play a human but wish I was an Iksar heh , they look cool
Ogres get an edge of course becouse they are Immune to stun and we all know how annoying it is when you get stunned at begining of the fight when casters and priests cast crap on the incoming mob hehe.
After I finished my anti stun AAs I get stuned much less but it still hapens. Other than that just pick a race that looks cool to you. I play a human but wish I was an Iksar heh , they look cool
High end, the only two classes that matter is the ogre and the iksar.
Ogre for the frontal melee stun immunity.
Iksar for the AC bonus (around 50 AC for a lvl 70).
Both of these races have exp penalties that make lvling a chore. I think the troll should have a lower exp penalty imo. But what do I know.
Someone lock this thread already...
Ogre for the frontal melee stun immunity.
Iksar for the AC bonus (around 50 AC for a lvl 70).
Both of these races have exp penalties that make lvling a chore. I think the troll should have a lower exp penalty imo. But what do I know.
Someone lock this thread already...
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Ok he asked which race is statistically better:
For the 4 main combat stats, I'm assuming that Ogre have the highest starting base stat sum total - Str+Sta+Dex+Agi. So...
Is it possible for the average (notice average) player to max out their str, sta, agi and dex at say level 70 and 500 AA's for any given warrior race?
If so then the classes may not matter much for whan the poster asked. If not, then the class that can come closest to maxing these four stats ( giving top priority to stamina ) would be the best . The Ogre may be the best there is because it starts with the highest base total in these stats.
Yes another race can match an Ogre for stamina by getting gear that helps their stamina. It's a given I suppose that any warrior class can max their stamina at 70. However, the Ogre has less overall points to gain to max all their combat stats.
As far as Iksar AC goes, I read a game developer quote from Steelwarrior ( vague reference I know, don't remember the specific thread ) that said something like "Most all melee players now have gear that makes their AC surpass the ATK rating of the mobs they are fighting - so the soft caps to AC don't really affect much..."
This leads me to believe that the Iksar AC bonus may not mean much, I asked this question to Monks in Alla and got two replies that seemed to say the same thing.
So yeah, play what you feel like that's the most fun, but the person asked initially what is the best warrior to play statistically speaking. I think whatever class gives the average player ( given average time, guild, drops etc ) the highest str, agi and dex plus a max stamina is the best, and I'm guessing an Ogre has the best shot at this.
For the 4 main combat stats, I'm assuming that Ogre have the highest starting base stat sum total - Str+Sta+Dex+Agi. So...
Is it possible for the average (notice average) player to max out their str, sta, agi and dex at say level 70 and 500 AA's for any given warrior race?
If so then the classes may not matter much for whan the poster asked. If not, then the class that can come closest to maxing these four stats ( giving top priority to stamina ) would be the best . The Ogre may be the best there is because it starts with the highest base total in these stats.
Yes another race can match an Ogre for stamina by getting gear that helps their stamina. It's a given I suppose that any warrior class can max their stamina at 70. However, the Ogre has less overall points to gain to max all their combat stats.
As far as Iksar AC goes, I read a game developer quote from Steelwarrior ( vague reference I know, don't remember the specific thread ) that said something like "Most all melee players now have gear that makes their AC surpass the ATK rating of the mobs they are fighting - so the soft caps to AC don't really affect much..."
This leads me to believe that the Iksar AC bonus may not mean much, I asked this question to Monks in Alla and got two replies that seemed to say the same thing.
So yeah, play what you feel like that's the most fun, but the person asked initially what is the best warrior to play statistically speaking. I think whatever class gives the average player ( given average time, guild, drops etc ) the highest str, agi and dex plus a max stamina is the best, and I'm guessing an Ogre has the best shot at this.
not to beat a dead horse, but I thought the new dod aa, didn't mitigate stun, but eradicated it. according to the description it makes you immune to stun, which would even one up the ogre since ogre is suseptable to spell stun and hits from behind. My War just got 69 so I don't have it yet, so am asking not telling.
"not to beat a dead horse, but I thought the new dod aa, didn't mitigate stun, but eradicated it. according to the description it makes you immune to stun, which would even one up the ogre since ogre is suseptable to spell stun and hits from behind. My War just got 69 so I don't have it yet, so am asking not telling."
The post was made before the new AA's. Warrior's can also stop runner's effectively as well, with the new Call of Challenge AA. My only problem with this is after reaching level 70, BAM!! I feel three times more powerfull, which in my opinion is bad for class scaling.. Warrior's don't scale down as well.
The post was made before the new AA's. Warrior's can also stop runner's effectively as well, with the new Call of Challenge AA. My only problem with this is after reaching level 70, BAM!! I feel three times more powerfull, which in my opinion is bad for class scaling.. Warrior's don't scale down as well.
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My friend who got me into EQ said that it doesn't matter what race you choose, but I just thought it would be way cooler to play a Barb, or maybe a Beast as a Warrior. They just look more tough than elfs, gnomes, and halflings.
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They just look more tough than elfs, gnomes, and halflings.
My gnome warrior has 13537hp UNBUFFED. She may look weak, but don't mess with the Action Gnome!
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i dunno i picked a vah shir simply because not a whole lot of people have them but he seems to be doing just fine
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is a gnome a good race for a war cause i just made a gnome war and don't want to find out i made a bad pick
Gnomes are fine if you like gnomes.
Race really doesn't make a huge difference over the life of a warrior.
As long as you enjoy playing it.
/em lays odds on EQ dying before this thread
Edited, Thu Jan 5 23:53:32 2006 by Bikamar
Race really doesn't make a huge difference over the life of a warrior.
As long as you enjoy playing it.
/em lays odds on EQ dying before this thread
Edited, Thu Jan 5 23:53:32 2006 by Bikamar
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Race means nothing, if you work on your character it can be even better than any race
My choice is Iksar. I have attempted ogre, barb and human before. Even with the exp penalty my Ikky warrior is cruising through the levels so far. To counteract the penalty I have thus far stuck with ZEM zones, tutorial, kurns, PC and now Echo. With the exception of PC most of the time I play solo and have less downtime than with my shammy. The Ikky regen, focus will and Belt of the Great Turtle (+2 regen) have kept me going to the point of not even carrying band aids anymore. Most of my gear is level reccomended so nothing special yet and my stats are nowhere near max. Refering to most opinions, play what you like. I got bit by the Iksar lore bug a short time ago and now play a monk, shammy and the warrior, bringing out the druid now and then to pump up the bank. It may be my imagination, but the Ikky seems to get hit less often and for less than my prior warrior attempts. I'd say I am middle of the road twinked, decent but nowhere near what I could have if I knocked over the bank in PoK. I spent my money focusing on gear that would peak in the 40's to not make me overly powerful in the begining and reducing the need to upgrade every 10 levels.
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